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Hey how's Raji doing??? Havent had time to catch any games. I know a lot of people bad mouthed him and said he was on his way out. Is he going to make the 53?

He'll make the team by default but his play during the preseason has been reminiscent of his play during recent regular seasons. He basically played a full game's worth of snaps during the preseason and recorded exactly zero defensive stats. Coming into the season I was hoping that Raji would shock the world but he's not off to a good start so far.
 

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Biggest (pleasant) surprises of TC & preseason: Hundley, Gunter, Pennel, Walker, and Gaston (I really hope they have him in front of Ringo and Thornton).
 
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Brett Hundley looked damn impressive once again. We are going to have teams banging on our door looking to trade for him if he continues what hes doing and progresses even more.
I don't see that trade happening in the foreseeable future.

It's worth noting Tolzien is on a one year deal. If you'd be willing to trade Hundley because Tolzien has superior value :confused: then teams would be more interested in Tolzien in free agency since they would surrender nothing more than a comp pick if won a starting job somewhere, otherwise nothing at all.
 
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Biggest (pleasant) surprises of TC & preseason: Hundley, Gunter, Pennel, Walker, and Gaston (I really hope they have him in front of Ringo and Thornton).
I'd add Myles White to that list.
 

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I’ve been as big a fan of Tolzien as almost anyone here, but I would be surprised if he’s not on another team’s roster next season. Because of his one-year deal the Packers won’t be able to trade him. I have already posted my mea culpa on questioning Thompson’s trade-up for Hundley and it’s obviously looking better and better. Hundley is under contract through the 2018 season (according to rotoworld) and of course he should be the backup next season since he should be completely up to speed on the offense by then. Thompson’s job is to find another adequate backup in the next couple of seasons and then trade Hundley (unless the not-to-be-mentioned happens) for great value. (Rodgers will be 35 in December of 2018.)

BTW, with the value of a good/great QB being what it is and with the number of teams who could use a better QB it is very surprising one of those teams didn’t take a flyer on Hundley before the 147th pick of the draft.
 
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I’ve been as big a fan of Tolzien as almost anyone here, but I would be surprised if he’s not on another team’s roster next season. Because of his one-year deal the Packers won’t be able to trade him. I have already posted my mea culpa on questioning Thompson’s trade-up for Hundley and it’s obviously looking better and better. Hundley is under contract through the 2018 season (according to rotoworld) and of course he should be the backup next season since he should be completely up to speed on the offense by then. Thompson’s job is to find another adequate backup in the next couple of seasons and then trade Hundley (unless the not-to-be-mentioned happens) for great value. (Rodgers will be 35 in December of 2018.)

BTW, with the value of a good/great QB being what it is and with the number of teams who could use a better QB it is very surprising one of those teams didn’t take a flyer on Hundley before the 147th pick of the draft.
I liked the Hundley pick when it happened and I like it more now. Backup QBs don't accrue "great value" unless "the not-to-be-mentioned happens" and they show the ability to play well in a few money games.

Then the problem becomes, "what if he's needed again"? It's not as though the Packers have shown themselves to be a quarterback factory over the last decade.

By the way, since 2011, all drafted rookie contracts are for 4 years with an (expensive) team option for a 5th. year for 1st. rounders only.
 
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Then the problem becomes, "what if he's needed again"? It's not as though the Packers have shown themselves to be a quarterback factory over the last decade.
Right but what if Hundley continues to increase his value as the primary backup in 2016 and 2017? I would assume he would want to become a starting QB in the league by the end of the 2017 season. If that's the case and if a healthy 34 year-old Rodgers has no plans to retire in the spring of 2018, what do you do? Let Hundley play out his rookie contract and probably receive a 3rd round comp pick in the 2019 draft or trade him for perhaps a first rounder in the 2018 draft? (I realize there are lots of contingencies here but I think this scenario while perhaps not likely, is certainly possible.)
 
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Right but what if Hundley continues to increase his value as the primary backup in 2016 and 2017? I would assume he would want to become a starting QB in the league by the end of the 2017 season. If that's the case and if a healthy 34 year-old Rodgers has no plans to retire in the spring of 2018, what do you do? Let Hundley play out his rookie contract and probably receive a 3rd round comp pick in the 2019 draft or trade him for perhaps a first rounder in the 2018 draft? (I realize there are lots of contingencies here but I think this scenario while perhaps not likely, is certainly possible.)
The only way Hundley might, and I say might, draw a decent pick in trade is if he played lights out for 5 or 6 money games in a stretch. Then he'd need to be traded right after that season, not the next year after the interest cools. In order to trade him right then, a competent reserve would need to be in the wings right then. We've seen what happens when a competent replacement is not in the wings on a team that perennially fields a mediocre defense. That's a lot of ifs, as you say, and a lot of carts in front of horses.

The "how come we can't trade Flynn" talk got awfully tedious...we don't want 4 years of that do we?

As for Hundley's current value, you were quite impressed with Tolzien's passer rating in last year's preseason. All he got was $1 mil for one year with the Packers...you can surmise that might have been his only offer. The only bankable thing from preseason play is promise and potential. Those are fine things to be sure, but they are not tradeable for anything of great consequence.

You asked earlier why he lasted until the 5th. round in a league with a dearth of young QB talent. We know that with all this read-option, spread, limited progression, out-of-the-pocket, pistol-and-shotgun-with-limited-snaps-under-center passing game that college ball has devolved into, all the prospects are something of a gamble. So what do teams look for? A strong arm and a strong bowl game resume. Hundley had all of the college system baggage like the others, but was perceived as an accurate short thrower but not with premier arm strength, and his teams had nice records but did not make the big time bowl games. That's about all there is to it.

If Hundley leaves after 4 years after sitting on the bench, then he might end up like Tyrod Taylor who did the same, the surprise week 1 starter in Buffalo. And then if he can keep the job long enough to put up enough throws, then a 3rd. round comp pick might come our way.

That's even more ifs.

Backup QBs are viewed as inessential...until you need one.
 
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DB Ryan White is the first player released by the Packers today.
 

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I really don't think GMs draft players with the idea of trading them for draft picks later on down the road.

My thinking on why he drafted Hundley is that he saw a great talent available and the opportunity to develop an decent inexpensive backup for Aaron Rodgers for several years. I doubt if the idea of Hundley taking over for Rodgers was a factor at all.

Assuming Rodgers leaves Green Bay on his own terms (ie plays until he decides to retire) Hundley won't be our starter unless its for injury or a Matt Flynn type relief game. He is not the heir apparent because if he has the stuff he won't want to sit behind Rodgers for 8 more years until AR decides to hang it up and other teams won't let him sit once he becomes a FA.

I think Tolzein will leave next year via FA unless no team wants him (the Packers won't offer him big money to come back as a backup because they have Hundley) and Hundley will become our backup for the next three seasons.

Ted will draft a QB somewhere in the mid rounds in 2018 and try to develop him like he did Hundley.

Hundley will leave via FA after the 2018 season.

If Hundley gets some significant playing time (I sure hope he doesn't) and really lights it up it some team may offer a decent trade for him and TT may take it but I think that is a long shot.

For all you trade him advocates what would be an enticing enough pick to get you to trade him away. Keep in mind he really cost the packers two picks already since they traded one away to move up to get him. Without significant playing time in real games teams are probably not going to be offering a whole lot. Would you trade him for a 4th rounder? Is that enough of a "profit on him" considering you gave up two picks and and entire off season of development or more depending on when the trade goes down. Besides that if he is good enough for other teams to offer even say a 3rd rounder might it not be a better idea to keep him around as a backup if he is that good. You also have to remember that if he is that good and leaves via FA we will likely get something in return via a comp pick so its not like trade him and get something or get nothing for him later.

Bottom line for me is barring injury to AR which allows Hundley significant time to show he has what it takes to be a starter I think he will be our backup for 2016, 2017 and likely 2018 and then he will move on and someone else will take his place. That guy who tales his place, that might be the guy we have to start looking at as ARs successor.
 
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The Packers have released safety Jean Fanor.
 
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Guard Matt Rotheram has also been released by the team.
 
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With their next move the team has released OL Andy Philips.
 

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I really don't think GMs draft players with the idea of trading them for draft picks later on down the road.
Who made that point? I certainly didn’t. Of course Thompson traded up for Hundley because he saw value and the chance to acquire a talented backup QB. And no one posted Thompson intended Hundley would take over for Rodgers.

What did the Packers give up for Hundley? They traded their 5th rounder, #166 plus and their seventh rounder, #247 the 30th pick of the 7th round. Does one 4th round pick have more value than what the Packers gave up? Of course. But that’s not the point. My point is if it plays out that Hundley is the backup in 2016 and 2017 and continues to improve from his very good rookie preseason performances, he will likely have trade value. (Remember Matt Flynn started only two games for the Packers in four years and signed a three year deal with Seattle for $20M+, with $9M guaranteed and Hundley is more physically talented than Flynn.) If Hundley plays significant time in ’16 and/or ‘17, either because Rodgers is out or because it’s a meaningless game at the end of the season (as was the case for Flynn in 2011), Thompson will have to decide after the 2017 season if he should trade him for better value than a third round comp pick in 2019, or keep him as a cheap backup for one more season and get the comp pick. In addition to the "current" value received in 2018, another advantage of trading him would be ensuring he doesn't play in the division, or even conference. Again, lots of “ifs”, but it’s possible Thompson could get good/great value for Hundley in the 2018 draft.
 

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Surprised at the Neal cut.....could they be keeping Crockett? Looks more like 2 HB's and 2 FB's

Perillo cut....think he and Rotheram will be PS
 

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Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers end the day with 2 HB's and 2 FB's and then put 1/2 HB's that survive the wire on the PS.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers end the day with 2 HB's and 2 FB's and then put 1/2 HB's that survive the wire on the PS.

I wouldn't be completely shocked if the team keeps only two tight ends with Kuhn and Ripkowski making the team.
 
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The Press Gazette now has the Packers releasing Rajion Neal as well. A bit of a surprise IMO.
 
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