Who Stays and Who goes.....Coaches

[Pokerbrat2000]

Let the new HC pick his own staff and next year we can make up new fire someone threads

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[sschind]

Let the new HC pick his own staff and next year we can make up new fire someone threads

How about Fire ????? or we could start one for every position coach and get a jump on beating the Fire Capers thread.

 

[AmishMafia]

To save everyone a lot of time and effort, I would suggest do the following:

1. Create new thread
2. Copy every post into it from "Fire Capers!" Thread.
3. Search and replace Capers for new guys name.

It's about efficiency folks!

 

[Half Empty]

You ever think we have a big pile of excrement out there because Campen is a bad coach?

I'm always willing to listen. The conventional wisdom is that, apart from Bulaga, the OL has been assembles as an afterthought, and fielding even a reasonable imitation of an NFL line is quite an achievement. That counterpoint to that is...?

 

[Poppa San]

Let the new HC pick his own staff and next year we can make up new fire someone threads

The Gute and Murphy ones will gain steam as soon as the "wrong" coach(es) are hired along with certain players kept, not-retained, not-signed, signed, pursued, not-pursued, drafted, drafted too high, not drafted, cut, not cut.

 

[AmishMafia]

I'm always willing to listen. The conventional wisdom is that, apart from Bulaga, the OL has been assembles as an afterthought, and fielding even a reasonable imitation of an NFL line is quite an achievement. That counterpoint to that is...?

If you dismiss players by where they were drafted then Bahktiari isn't very good at all either. My simple observation is that players don't seem to get much better throughout their careers. Linsley is good - but he was good as a rookie when he got hurt. Bulaga hasn't developed all that much. I think players are better individually but not as a team, if that makes sense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you dismiss players by where they were drafted then Bahktiari isn't very good at all either. My simple observation is that players don't seem to get much better throughout their careers. Linsley is good - but he was good as a rookie when he got hurt. Bulaga hasn't developed all that much. I think players are better individually but not as a team, if that makes sense.

I kind of get what you are saying, but Taylor, Bahk and even Linsley and Bulaga have improved under Campen, IMO.

You philosophy applies to our secondary IMO, with even some seemingly getting worse the longer they stay in Green Bay.

 

[HardRightEdge]

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And once we're done firing everybody, let's sue everybody over this car crash.

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[Half Empty]

If you dismiss players by where they were drafted then Bahktiari isn't very good at all either. My simple observation is that players don't seem to get much better throughout their careers. Linsley is good - but he was good as a rookie when he got hurt. Bulaga hasn't developed all that much. I think players are better individually but not as a team, if that makes sense.

Not sure where the bold came from. My point was the opposite - Bak is very, very good, but obviously nobody in the NFL thought he was that, coming in. In fact, even when he was playing well as a rookie, the evaluations nearly always included "for a 4th round pick". Perhaps, if you mean dismiss him as a player with limited potential, I'd agree. Campen took that limited potential and developed it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And once we're done firing everybody, let's sue everybody over this car crash.

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That reminded me a bit of one of my favorite "prank phone calls", with this one having the prankster being the guy who received the call. Sorry Mods....little leeway on digressing

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[HardRightEdge]

That reminded me a bit of one of my favorite "prank phone calls", with this one having the prankster being the guy who received the call. Sorry Mods....little leeway on digressing

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I can't quite compete with that, but every once in a while when the mood strikes I'll give a caller the Jerky Boys "Uncle Freddy" treatment--"Uncle Freddy?" " You killed Uncle Freedy?" You know, like that.

I don't think we're really digressing. I thought I heard an "Uncle Freddy" audible this week. And firing and suing everbody seems to be on point these days.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I thought I heard an "Uncle Freddy" audible this week. And firing and suing everbody seems to be on point these days.

I was totally expecting to hear:

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[HardRightEdge]

I was totally expecting to hear:

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He shouldn't talk about the president like that.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Coach John Atwill is a great prospect until he screws up then we can start a "fire atwill" thread.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you dismiss players by where they were drafted then Bahktiari isn't very good at all either. My simple observation is that players don't seem to get much better throughout their careers. Linsley is good - but he was good as a rookie when he got hurt. Bulaga hasn't developed all that much. I think players are better individually but not as a team, if that makes sense.

In my opinion Campen has done a really good job developing the offensive line. I recall reading an article (unfortunately can't find a link to it anymore) mentioning the Packers have spent by far the least amount of draft capital on the starters in the entire league while still having had a pretty decent line for most of the past few years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In my opinion Campen has done a really good job developing the offensive line. I recall reading an article (unfortunately can't find a link to it anymore) mentioning the Packers have spent by far the least amount of draft capital on the starters in the entire league while still having had a pretty decent line for most of the past few years.

Agree and the list mentioned previously didn't include 4th round picks Sitton, Lang or Tretter, 2 pretty damn good players and 1 solid starter.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I hope the fans dump beer on Ron Zook and Joe Whitt's heads as they go out the stadium after this. They are 100℅ responsible for the **** show on the field and should get no respect whatsoever. **** em!!

 

[Do7]

After this game we had better give Zook the pink slip.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Fire Ron Zook, Fire Joe Whitt, and Philbin and company can follow right behind them.

Kick out Bryan Bulaga, Lane Taylor, Clay Matthews, Randall Cobb, and Lance Kendricks.

Draft Paris Campbell and JK Dobbins, Get 3 new OLmen, and hire Ken Whisenhunt or Pete Carmichael as HC. No more nice guys aloud here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can't think of a Packer coach that isn't wondering when the phone call from Gute comes in the next 48 hrs. Kind of think Pettine's phone might ring too.

 

[Poppa San]

Can't think of a Packer coach that isn't wondering when the phone call from Gute comes in the next 48 hrs. Kind of think Pettine's phone might ring too.

MY TAKE:

Nobody will get fired before the new HC is hired. Don't want to get rid of someone under contract that the next coach might want to keep. Don't think anyone will be denied permission to interview elsewhere though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MY TAKE:

Nobody will get fired before the new HC is hired. Don't want to get rid of someone under contract that the next coach might want to keep. Don't think anyone will be denied permission to interview elsewhere though.

Besides Pettine, if any new HC wants to retain any of the Packers current coaching staff, I might question his hire! I was kind of on board for keeping Campen, but I am just fine with him getting his walking papers too.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

MY TAKE:

Nobody will get fired before the new HC is hired. Don't want to get rid of someone under contract that the next coach might want to keep. Don't think anyone will be denied permission to interview elsewhere though.

If Ron Zook isn't booted out of here yet all hell should break loose in Green Bay

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Ron Zook isn't booted out of here yet all hell should break loose in Green Bay

Evidently, they sent 4 special teams players over to Zook's house to deliver the news that he is out. No word yet, but the driver got ticketed twice for speeding, a flat tire, missed a bunch of turns and now they are presumed to be lost traveling North of Green Bay.

 

[Poppa San]

MY TAKE:

Nobody will get fired before the new HC is hired. Don't want to get rid of someone under contract that the next coach might want to keep. Don't think anyone will be denied permission to interview elsewhere though.

I got an agree from a more reliable source

According to a source, Murphy probably won’t fire any assistants outright, but rather let the new head coach decide their fate. But given the lack of interest the Packers displayed in facing a division rival that had won three straight against them, the players — whether intended or not — sent a message that a housecleaning was necessary...Of course, he can’t fire the 44 players who took part in that debacle, but having already fired the head coach, no one would blame him for clearing the decks completely. Every bit of disease that flowed through this cesspool of a season should be removed. The players, in effect, made that clear.

He also adds at the very end a highly debatable (at least among a few posters here) view

There are some very good assistant coaches on the Packers’ staff, offensive line coach James Campen and defensive passing game coordinator Joe Whitt among them, but it wouldn’t be surprising if this pathetic performance washed them away with everyone else.