When does Greg Jennings go away?

[Packer Fan in SD]

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Another point of view. Interesting to me, because I also thought we were way more conservative. Perhaps our bias is just interfering with reality. Either way, just interesting to me.

 

[AKCheese]

What I find funny is a bunch of barstool flies saying "who does this guy think he is? Ya sure he made it to the highest level in his profession, Ya sure he is a world champion, Ya sure he had a very good career.... but hey.... what right does HE have to comment?? "Now hey..... ifya wan MY take onit...." LOL

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm simply saying that there have been too many occasions, specifically the Seattle NFC Championship game, where he altered his play calling based on what the score was at the time.

He thought he could just milk the clock, thus reducing the number of possessions, and win that way. And that's not the worst strategy in the world IF... 1. you didn't have the most efficient quarterback in the history of the National Football League and 2. if you had an elite defense.

It's common among NFL coaches to alter the play calling based on the score. When talking about McCarthy getting conservative at the end of the NFCCG at Seattle you have to realize that Rodgers struggled all game (55.8 passer rating) while the defense performed at an elite level for 55 minutes. Therefore I think he was right running the football trying to milk the clock and possibly relying on the defense to get another stop.

I guarantee that those Packers fans criticizing him now for putting the foot off the gas would have called for his head if the offense turned the ball over throwing it.

 

[NJPackfan..]

What I find funny is a bunch of barstool flies saying "who does this guy think he is? Ya sure he made it to the highest level in his profession, Ya sure he is a world champion, Ya sure he had a very good career.... but hey.... what right does HE have to comment?? "Now hey..... ifya wan MY take onit...." LOL

Right on.......Jennings has nothing to gain or lose by making these statements. Which makes it very easy for me to believe him.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right on.......Jennings has nothing to gain or lose by making these statements. Which makes it very easy for me to believe him.

Jennings gains attention by making those comments, something it seems he dearly misses when not being in the spotlight.

 

[Ogsponge]

This is idiotic, there is only one reason for the Packers failure to get back to and win another championship, are you ready? DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE,DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE,DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE and just in case there is any confusion....

DEFENSE. This defense under Capers is soft, weak and can literally never man up and get the job done when it matters most and before anyone says anything, it takes 60 minutes or more to win a game not 55.

Of course that horse has been mutilated already as well. It is time for some football!

 

[rmontro]

DEFENSE. This defense under Capers is soft, weak and can literally never man up and get the job done when it matters most and before anyone says anything, it takes 60 minutes or more to win a game not 55.

The failure of the defense is all the more confounding when you consider that we have one of the better offenses in the NFL. Usually having a good offense helps keep the pressure off the defense, and keeps it off the field. So there's a good chance the defense is even worse than it looks.

I know the offense has struggled some in the past few years. It went through about a season and a half where it wasn't quite right. I think the two new TEs Ted signed are going to be a big boost.

Regarding McCarthy letting off the gas, most coaches in the league will run the ball more in the second half with a lead. As I said before, usually it works, that's why they do it. Once in a while it doesn't work. That doesn't make it a bad strategy. I do think you have to consider the situation, who you're playing, how the defense is performing, etc. And I think McCarthy has gotten better at not being quite so conservative with a lead.

 

[Sky King]

I'm fine with playing to win even though it may not always work out. But switching a team's mindset by playing not to lose after a team has built a decent lead is another matter. To me, that's what taking the foot off the gas would probably feel like to a player. Why abandon what got you there unless it's being stopped?

Maybe a team can allow the offense to take a more cautious approach when its defense is consistently able to hold-up it's end of the bargain. The Packers D has not been able to pull that off on numerous all-important occasions. Until this defense is able to prove otherwise I don't think the offense can ever let-up. Maybe it never should, anyway. Belichick's teams don't seem to let-up and they've done pretty well overall.

 

[rodell330]

Well...MM And his staff imo has cost us at LEAST two other trips to the SB. The Seattle NFCCG for sure...and the loss last year in Atlanta.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

This defense under Capers is soft, weak and can literally never man up and get the job done when it matters most and before anyone says anything, it takes 60 minutes or more to win a game not 55.

I definitely agree that the defense is mostly to blame for the Packers coming up short over the past six seasons. The unit has most likely struggled because of a lack of talent though.

The failure of the defense is all the more confounding when you consider that we have one of the better offenses in the NFL. Usually having a good offense helps keep the pressure off the defense, and keeps it off the field. So there's a good chance the defense is even worse than it looks.

While many fans might think that a good offense tremendously helps out a defense there aren't any numbers to back up that sentiment. Taking a look at last season only two top 10 scoring offenses featured an elite defense (Patriots and Cowboys). On the other hand six of those teams had a defense that finished 20th or worse in points allowed.

Maybe a team can allow the offense to take a more cautious approach when its defense is consistently able to hold-up it's end of the bargain. The Packers D has not been able to pull that off on numerous all-important occasions. Until this defense is able to prove otherwise I don't think the offense can ever let-up. Maybe it never should, anyway.

I guess you're mostly talking about the 2014 NFCCG. Taking a look at how the entire team performed that day it was the right decision trying to milk the clock and rely on the defense to get another stop.

Well...MM And his staff imo has cost us at LEAST two other trips to the SB. The Seattle NFCCG for sure...and the loss last year in Atlanta.

The loss at Atlanta last season was nearly entirely to blame on a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially at cornerback. I have no idea why anyone would blame the coaching staff in that case.

 

[NJPackfan..]

Jennings gains attention by making those comments, something it seems he dearly misses when not being in the spotlight.

Like everything else........he will fade away !

 

[sschind]

Holmgren was conservative also. Most of the time, being conservative with a good lead works, so it's hard to criticize that. When it fails, it fails spectacularly. But I think I would be more forgiving of a coach blowing it by trying to be more aggressive, than by being too passive.

I think part of the problem is what does MM consider a "good" lead and when does he consider it. A 14 point lead in the 3rd quarter is not a "good" lead. My point is that maybe the problem isn't MM getting conservative its MM getting conservative too soon.

 

[rmontro]

While many fans might think that a good offense tremendously helps out a defense there aren't any numbers to back up that sentiment. Taking a look at last season only two top 10 scoring offenses featured an elite defense (Patriots and Cowboys). On the other hand six of those teams had a defense that finished 20th or worse in points allowed.

I admit I find that surprising. It seems common sense that a better offense would mean the defense doesn't have to spend as much time on the field. We've all seen defenses get worn out at the end of games.

Your stats would seem to indicate others, but I still wonder if the difference might show up elsewhere. Like maybe if you took the sample over the past 20 years, or if you looked at the top half of the league vs. the bottom half of the league. Or perhaps the answer is that teams with elite offenses build up good leads and spend a lot of time in prevent, thus giving up a lot of yards, and points.

The loss at Atlanta last season was nearly entirely to blame on a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially at cornerback. I have no idea why anyone would blame the coaching staff in that case.

I agree, but I would go further as to say Atlanta simply had a better team than we did last year, playing at home, that got off to a quick start, and got momentum on their side. GB also had a few miscues on offense on special teams early on that gave Atlanta more opportunities, and failed to keep the game close.

My point is that maybe the problem isn't MM getting conservative its MM getting conservative too soon.

I've read a lot of posters saying that MM's problem is that he not only gets too conservative, he gets too predictable.

 

[rodell330]

I definitely agree that the defense is mostly to blame for the Packers coming up short over the past six seasons. The unit has most likely struggled because of a lack of talent though.



While many fans might think that a good offense tremendously helps out a defense there aren't any numbers to back up that sentiment. Taking a look at last season only two top 10 scoring offenses featured an elite defense (Patriots and Cowboys). On the other hand six of those teams had a defense that finished 20th or worse in points allowed.



I guess you're mostly talking about the 2014 NFCCG. Taking a look at how the entire team performed that day it was the right decision trying to milk the clock and rely on the defense to get another stop.



The loss at Atlanta last season was nearly entirely to blame on a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially at cornerback. I have no idea why anyone would blame the coaching staff in that case.

Really? So continuing to leave Gunter singled on Julio Jones has nothing to do with the coaching staff? Even when the world knew our defense couldn't stop him 1 on 1?? Yea, maybe you're right.

 

[rmontro]

Really? So continuing to leave Gunter singled on Julio Jones has nothing to do with the coaching staff? Even when the world knew our defense couldn't stop him 1 on 1?? Yea, maybe you're right.

Fair point. Capers is a stubborn son of a gun.

 

[sschind]

I've read a lot of posters saying that MM's problem is that he not only gets too conservative, he gets too predictable.

That too but they kind of go hand in hand. A conservative game plan is going to have fewer options and less risk which eliminates many plays in many situations.

 

[Guacamole]

All this said, think about where MM would be if not for Rodgers. Remember the year when Rodgers got hurt? They were 1-4-1 during those 6 games and he looked like a phucking fool.

 

[PikeBadger]

All this said, think about where MM would be if not for Rodgers. Remember the year when Rodgers got hurt? They were 1-4-1 during those 6 games and he looked like a phucking fool.

That works the other way around too. Rodgers may never have made it in the NFL without McCarthy. He wasn't exactly a can't miss prospect.

 

[Carl]

Really? So continuing to leave Gunter singled on Julio Jones has nothing to do with the coaching staff? Even when the world knew our defense couldn't stop him 1 on 1?? Yea, maybe you're right.

Fair point. Capers is a stubborn son of a gun.

There's nothing Capers could have done to stop Julio with that secondary.

Man, zone, blitzing, dropping 7...all of it was tried and none of it worked.

 

[Carl]

Holmgren was conservative also. Most of the time, being conservative with a good lead works, so it's hard to criticize that. When it fails, it fails spectacularly. But I think I would be more forgiving of a coach blowing it by trying to be more aggressive, than by being too passive.

Coaches need to find a good balance. Like if you're facing 3rd and 1 up big in the Super Bowl, run the ball. Or if you're in FG range late to go up 10, run the ball.

Or in general if you're up 28-3 in the Super Bowl, make some attempt to burn clock.

 

[Carl]

I definitely agree that the defense is mostly to blame for the Packers coming up short over the past six seasons. The unit has most likely struggled because of a lack of talent though.



While many fans might think that a good offense tremendously helps out a defense there aren't any numbers to back up that sentiment. Taking a look at last season only two top 10 scoring offenses featured an elite defense (Patriots and Cowboys). On the other hand six of those teams had a defense that finished 20th or worse in points allowed.



I guess you're mostly talking about the 2014 NFCCG. Taking a look at how the entire team performed that day it was the right decision trying to milk the clock and rely on the defense to get another stop.



The loss at Atlanta last season was nearly entirely to blame on a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball, especially at cornerback. I have no idea why anyone would blame the coaching staff in that case.

The offense being shut out in the first half was a part of the loss too, along with the defense

 

[Mondio]

One day people will realize there as many ways to lose a football game as there are ways to win it. Each play has more than one possible outcome, even when applying the opposite hindsight after the fact rule

 

[Curly Calhoun]

85 is at it again. Now that his playing days are officially over Greg is doing all he can to keep his name in the spotlight. Hey Greg, you were released, get over it already bud. First it was the shots at AR which were rebutted by many-a-Packer and now he's calling out Mike. I suppose there is a little more legitimacy to this attack as there have been times I would've liked to see the kill shot applied opposed to playing safe. My deal is the only guy ever really chirping is this knucklehead and I am growing tired of it. The Packers took a chance on a small college guy and helped him become the best player he could be. He has a Super Bowl ring because of the 2 cats he keeps lashing out at. You got cut because you were expendable and have been a red a#$ ever since. Grow up and move on with your life G. Am I the only one bothered by this guy??

Poor Greg, still bitter, still wants the Packers to get off of his lawn. He's not doing himself any favors.

The Pack still lives rent-free in Greg's head it appears- His cross to bear. Perhaps someday he'll be able to move on.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Jennings is bitter. Why? Who cares. MM has lost a game or two by not keeping his foot on the oppositions throat, but he's the coach and he get's paid to make those calls. I'm having fun watching the games. Go Pack!

 

[PackAttack12]

The offense being shut out in the first half was a part of the loss too, along with the defense

That's absolutely true, the missed field goal, and then the fumble by Rip on the next possession hurt. The game should have been 10-10, and we're looking at a very different game.

But the offense from week 12 all the way through the Dallas game (which is 8 games) turned the ball over just twice in those 8 games. One interception from Rodgers in the Dallas game, one fumble from Rodgers in the Houston game.

So even though the Packers offense was held scoreless in the first half, the point still remains that when the offense for the Packers shows the first sign of trouble and makes a couple of mistakes, we rarely have a defense that can step up and weather the storm.

First 5 possessions of the game:

Falcons TD
Packers FG missed
Falcons FG made
Packers fumble lost
Falcons TD

Two mistakes by the offense and you're down 17-0 before you even bat an eyelash. I feel as if wanting a defense to step up when the offense makes two uncharacteristic mistakes is not too much to ask, especially when the offense went 8 games with just 2 turnovers.

But unfortunately that wasn't the case.

Rodgers by the way in the first half: 12 of 17 (70%) for 119. Superman couldn't do it all as usual.