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I've made my points. You guys have considered them. If you want to delete this thread, I have no problem with that.
And that's not a joke.
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And that's not a joke.
Wherever there is community, even on something as personally detached as the internet, it is good to have certain safequards for the good of the community. Call them guidelines, rules, laws, restrictions, prohibitions or whatever you will, they are necessary for the continuity of the community. Anarchists look good on TV, but no community can long survive Anarchy. It is by nature, self destructive because it is composed of people like me. I am human and make mistakes.
I am not a moderator, but I can rob the freedom of another poster as well as any Moderator. I'm reminded of the line from the movie "The Patriot" where Mel Gibson says something like "Tell me sir, why should I give up one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can rob a man's freedoms as easily as a king."
That line of course, pointed out the necessity of checks and balances. Authorities, such as the Moderators need checks and balances, thus as I understand it, they hold each other accountable and they discuss important "banishments" in concert with one another. There is also the freedom for any of us who are not moderators to privately message the mods and tactfully let them know we have been personally offended. On the other hand the Moderators have been given the right, by us, to "preside" over the behavior of the forum by our consent to the rules when we sign up.
I think it is important to remember that almost all (excepts bots) of the people on this forum are in fact, people. They have families, friends, co-workers. They laugh, they cry, they struggle, they get angry, just like me. Some like different types of ice cream than me. Some like other beers than I prefer. Some are from the fandom of other teams. (Yes even the Vikings and Bears, God forgive them.
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But when push comes to shove I can imagine myself sitting down over a nice cold beer with most of the folks on this forum, if we talked in person. I could not sit down with the occasional troll or bully who comes around just for the addiction of conflict. Some people are indeed addicted to conflict. They live for it. Those folks need to be carefully moderated, because they also can take away the freedom of other posters.
I've been moderated in the past and benefited from it. I backed off when I was getting too personal with another poster. I've also been able to privately bring things up with the Moderators which I thought would be helpful.
I was asked a couple times if I was interested in being a Moderator. I refused. But life circumstances over the past few years have taught me a lot about grace, humor and graciousness. All of these are good attributes for posting toward other people on this forum.
Having thought about it, I would be willing to be a Moderator and help out. I would have to learn the ropes. I may not be available to be on the forum every day due to health issues. But conflict resolution is something I have some experience with in life as a Pastor, sometimes successful, sometimes not. We're all only human, fallible and as "Red Green" used to say; "We're all in this together." (Sorry for preaching. Occupational habit.)
I am not a moderator, but I can rob the freedom of another poster as well as any Moderator. I'm reminded of the line from the movie "The Patriot" where Mel Gibson says something like "Tell me sir, why should I give up one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can rob a man's freedoms as easily as a king."
That line of course, pointed out the necessity of checks and balances. Authorities, such as the Moderators need checks and balances, thus as I understand it, they hold each other accountable and they discuss important "banishments" in concert with one another. There is also the freedom for any of us who are not moderators to privately message the mods and tactfully let them know we have been personally offended. On the other hand the Moderators have been given the right, by us, to "preside" over the behavior of the forum by our consent to the rules when we sign up.
I think it is important to remember that almost all (excepts bots) of the people on this forum are in fact, people. They have families, friends, co-workers. They laugh, they cry, they struggle, they get angry, just like me. Some like different types of ice cream than me. Some like other beers than I prefer. Some are from the fandom of other teams. (Yes even the Vikings and Bears, God forgive them.
) But when push comes to shove I can imagine myself sitting down over a nice cold beer with most of the folks on this forum, if we talked in person. I could not sit down with the occasional troll or bully who comes around just for the addiction of conflict. Some people are indeed addicted to conflict. They live for it. Those folks need to be carefully moderated, because they also can take away the freedom of other posters.
I've been moderated in the past and benefited from it. I backed off when I was getting too personal with another poster. I've also been able to privately bring things up with the Moderators which I thought would be helpful.
I was asked a couple times if I was interested in being a Moderator. I refused. But life circumstances over the past few years have taught me a lot about grace, humor and graciousness. All of these are good attributes for posting toward other people on this forum.
Having thought about it, I would be willing to be a Moderator and help out. I would have to learn the ropes. I may not be available to be on the forum every day due to health issues. But conflict resolution is something I have some experience with in life as a Pastor, sometimes successful, sometimes not. We're all only human, fallible and as "Red Green" used to say; "We're all in this together." (Sorry for preaching. Occupational habit.)
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I'll preface this post by saying, I don't post a ton on here, just some threads here and there where they seem fit, and usually pretty general and nothing controversial in the topic. It's mostly the chat box I use and I think the moderating I've seen has been fair and this site serves its purpose well.
Now I'm gonna say too, this is nothing I have against this site, I think it's a fair rule to try and apply to just about all audiences if you want, but I personally think nobody under 18 should be on a forum period. To me if I'm running a forum, even a sports forum, should be run like an ******* bar. I have no issue with people swearing if they want, and I kinda don't have any issues with namecalling either. To me, most of those things run their course and if someone says something silly about a team and is way off target in their analysis, they usually end up getting embarrassed by what happened in the game, so much so that they won't show up again on the forum, or at least not for a while.
Now I certainly don't think personal threats, excessive flooding or spamming, pornographic posts, violence encouraged, racism, I mean I think we all know the kinds of things that are pretty much forbidden everywhere on the internet, I think definitely those should be eliminated. Those are just common sense things and most posters won't have a problem there.
One thing, and I can't remember if the rules mentioned this or not, but it seems like lately on a lot of message boards I've seen, there's a lot of this "no hurling insults at a player or coach or GM" rule or something related to that, because the site owner is too afraid those players and coaches will see it and oh no we can't hurt their feelings type of thing. The premise there being that those players visit those forums and see what people are saying and posters shouldn't be all crazy because they'll be sensitive about that. And that's something that has driven me nuts a lot lately, and personally I'd say no matter if you're player or coach, you really shouldn't be on there worrying about what a fan who's not a coach or GM is saying anyway and if you do find out, fix your play and get out there and prove em wrong. Fans have done that for decades and just because you can see what they're saying more often online now doesn't mean they should shut up and not criticize. Now there certainly shouldn't be threatening of players or their families like what has sometimes happened on twitter, certainly is no place for that ever, but callin players or coaches names and wanting them fired and stuff, sorry but this is a results-driven league and if you don't get it done, that's what happens.
Now I'm gonna say too, this is nothing I have against this site, I think it's a fair rule to try and apply to just about all audiences if you want, but I personally think nobody under 18 should be on a forum period. To me if I'm running a forum, even a sports forum, should be run like an ******* bar. I have no issue with people swearing if they want, and I kinda don't have any issues with namecalling either. To me, most of those things run their course and if someone says something silly about a team and is way off target in their analysis, they usually end up getting embarrassed by what happened in the game, so much so that they won't show up again on the forum, or at least not for a while.
Now I certainly don't think personal threats, excessive flooding or spamming, pornographic posts, violence encouraged, racism, I mean I think we all know the kinds of things that are pretty much forbidden everywhere on the internet, I think definitely those should be eliminated. Those are just common sense things and most posters won't have a problem there.
One thing, and I can't remember if the rules mentioned this or not, but it seems like lately on a lot of message boards I've seen, there's a lot of this "no hurling insults at a player or coach or GM" rule or something related to that, because the site owner is too afraid those players and coaches will see it and oh no we can't hurt their feelings type of thing. The premise there being that those players visit those forums and see what people are saying and posters shouldn't be all crazy because they'll be sensitive about that. And that's something that has driven me nuts a lot lately, and personally I'd say no matter if you're player or coach, you really shouldn't be on there worrying about what a fan who's not a coach or GM is saying anyway and if you do find out, fix your play and get out there and prove em wrong. Fans have done that for decades and just because you can see what they're saying more often online now doesn't mean they should shut up and not criticize. Now there certainly shouldn't be threatening of players or their families like what has sometimes happened on twitter, certainly is no place for that ever, but callin players or coaches names and wanting them fired and stuff, sorry but this is a results-driven league and if you don't get it done, that's what happens.
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