Tracking the 2023 Green Bay Roster

[Voyageur]

I learned a long time ago to not trust the Lions.

I ain't no Clyde Beatty either!

 

[tynimiller]

I learned a long time ago to not trust the Lions.

Who said trust them? You have to ignore trends, projections off of last year, roster changes/additions and the state of the rest of the division to not see the Lions are clearly at worst tied for most likely to win the NFC North.

 

[milani]

I doubt that there is a non-Packer fan base in the NFC, especially the 3 fan bases in the NFC North, that wouldn't love to see the Packers struggle mightily for the next....30 years. Which simply means, the Packers have been envied by a lot of fans, because of their success over the last 30 years. While I don't see the Packers winning a lot of games this season, I don't foresee them going back to being the Packers of the 70's and 80's either.

Aside from that other than our last 2 SB wins and the Bears in 1985 there are no crowns coming out of our 4 teams since the 60's. None of us can boast compared to some other franchises in the modern era.

 

[Krabs]

Who said trust them? You have to ignore trends, projections off of last year, roster changes/additions and the state of the rest of the division to not see the Lions are clearly at worst tied for most likely to win the NFC North.

I don't disagree with any of that. However, I've seen year in and year out when the Lions are supposed to be good and never are. I'm going with that they are going to disappoint those that think they will be good. It's what they do.

 

[Iron Lion]

I don't disagree with any of that. However, I've seen year in and year out when the Lions are supposed to be good and never are. I'm going with that they are going to disappoint those that think they will be good. It's what they do.

They start off with @KC and vsSEA. If that's 0-2, I'm not quite sounding the alarms yet.

 

[milani]

I don't disagree with any of that. However, I've seen year in and year out when the Lions are supposed to be good and never are. I'm going with that they are going to disappoint those that think they will be good. It's what they do.

They really came to play. 4 of those early losses were very winnable. They win one or two more and they were in the postseason. It may only take 10 wins to take our division.

 

[milani]

They start off with @KC and vsSEA. If that's 0-2, I'm not quite sounding the alarms yet.

They should have beat Seattle last year. And maybe opening week is the best time to get the Chiefs. Do not count them out.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't get the seeming Tyler Davis love from the powers that be/coaches. He has really not showed me much. The coaching staff puts too much emphasis imho on blocking from a should be offensive weapon. Teach it but don't confuse it with production. I'll probably get to see if he gets better this year. If he starts over Kraft because he can block better...that's just nuts.

 

[Krabs]

I don't get the seeming Tyler Davis love from the powers that be/coaches. He has really not showed me much. The coaching staff puts too much emphasis imho on blocking from a should be offensive weapon. Teach it but don't confuse it with production. I'll probably get to see if he gets better this year. If he starts over Kraft because he can block better...that's just nuts.

I felt the same with Lewis last year. Beyond a couple well designed plays to get him the ball, he was not an offensive threat at all. I've never thought much of Davis beyond a backup if every other TE gets hurt.

 

[Mondio]

I never understood the Davis love from the coaches either. Very surprised he made the roster last year. Didn’t seem to be up to par in blocking or as a pass catcher.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They start off with @KC and vsSEA. If that's 0-2, I'm not quite sounding the alarms yet.

I'll give you this, the Lions have a pretty soft schedule this year, especially given that the Packers are in a mini-rebuild and the Bears are still building. Their 2 toughest opponents are the Chiefs and maybe Dallas.

 

[Krabs]

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First unofficial depth chart. Not sure if this has been posted yet. Pretty much looks like what we would expect. I did read that Owens took a lot of Savage's snaps recently though.

 

[OldSchool101]

Lol. Well. I learned early on as a Lions fan to not talk trash since I play no role in backing it up.

I guess we'll see if Love makes it 45 straight years of HoF QB play.

I still doubt that happens. However if we can just get an above average starter that gets a 3rd contract I’d be elated. I’ll take 40 years of play across a span of just 3 QB’s

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't get the seeming Tyler Davis love from the powers that be/coaches. He has really not showed me much. The coaching staff puts too much emphasis imho on blocking from a should be offensive weapon. Teach it but don't confuse it with production. I'll probably get to see if he gets better this year. If he starts over Kraft because he can block better...that's just nuts.

I can see that. Poached from Indianapolis via Jaguars. Tyler is the second most tenured TE on our roster. I agree in an ordinary scenario he’s the odd man out had we kept either Tonyan or Lewis. Tyler is at that point he knows that playbook well and his blocking assignments also. It would be dangerous to let him go and then have an injury to Deguara. We would literally have zero tenure at TE across the entire room, which would leave us a little vulnerable.
My other guess is they like him on ST and we’ve put more emphasis on continuity on ST as of late. He’s a Uber athletic guy for his size and you know how we like developing those types.
#1 in ST snaps by a mile in 2022

#1 Tyler Davis 80.84% ST snaps
#2 Dallin Leavitt 71.96% ST
#3 Isaiah McDuffie 61.45% ST

Also in 2022 Tyler had more total snaps than Josiah Deguara and over the last 2 seasons they were
Deguara 957 snaps
Davis 873 snaps

From what I’m researching we just really love him on ST. I suppose Double Digit Tackles will do that

 

[gopkrs]

I can see that. However, Tyler is the second most tenured TE on our roster. I agree in an ordinary scenario he’s the odd man out had we kept either Tonyan or Lewis. Tyler is at that point he knows that playbook well and his blocking assignments also. It would be dangerous to let him go and then have an injury to Deguara. We would literally have zero tenure at TE across the entire room.

That just does not bother me. Keeping him means leaving someone else off. Can he still go on practice squad. Because nobody is going to take him from us...I don't think or would care.

 

[tynimiller]

That just does not bother me. Keeping him means leaving someone else off. Can he still go on practice squad. Because nobody is going to take him from us...I don't think or would care.

No it doesn't? Keeping Davis isn't costing Kraft, Musgrave or Deguara a spot. We don't have anyone else unless McDonald all of a sudden starts popping that is even close to fighting for a TE spot that keeping Davis would cost us.

 

[gopkrs]

No it doesn't? Keeping Davis isn't costing Kraft, Musgrave or Deguara a spot. We don't have anyone else unless McDonald all of a sudden starts popping that is even close to fighting for a TE spot that keeping Davis would cost us.

So we need 4 TEs? Well, if Davis can show more than he has...then OK. If he is taking away snaps from someone else and not performing well; then it's a negative. I honestly don't know why they like him. I've seen him not do well on blocking assignments and drop passes. And I look forward to our two headed monster. Kraft and Musgrave. I hope that is part of our arsenal.

 

[OldSchool101]

So we need 4 TEs? Well, if Davis can show more than he has...then OK. If he is taking away snaps from someone else and not performing well; then it's a negative. I honestly don't know why they like him. I've seen him not do well on blocking assignments and drop passes. And I look forward to our two headed monster. Kraft and Musgrave. I hope that is part of our arsenal.

I typed my answer in late.

Special Teams. He played 81% of ST snaps last season. Another 16% from Offense.
I think you’re looking too much at just Offense production. That’s not really been his role as he’s carved out his niche on ST and we of anyone understand how important that’s been to get that fixed. Not to say he won’t see a small increase on Offense as it’s his 3rd season in GB. He could transition, but I think they’ll keep him more in his 2022 role. I had no idea he led ST snaps by a mile last year until I looked closer. 10 tackles also which is a pretty important part on coverage

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We don't have anyone else unless McDonald all of a sudden starts popping that is even close to fighting for a TE spot

McDonald was cut a week ago.

Barring an injury, Degaura makes the 53. His experience as an H-Back will be the reason for it. I hope he adds receiving to his plus side. Given that he will be a Free Agent after this season, his staying with the Packers beyond 2023 might come down to him improving on what we have seen to date.

 

[milani]

I'll give you this, the Lions have a pretty soft schedule this year, especially given that the Packers are in a mini-rebuild and the Bears are still building. Their 2 toughest opponents are the Chiefs and maybe Dallas.

Someone has to win the division. And the Vikings will be pressed to win all those close ones this year again while the Lions could be better enough to win them.

 

[tynimiller]

McDonald was cut a week ago.

Barring an injury, Degaura makes the 53. His experience as an H-Back will be the reason for it. I hope he adds receiving to his plus side. Given that he will be a Free Agent after this season, his staying with the Packers beyond 2023 might come down to him improving on what we have seen to date.

Crap man rough day, I meant Austin Allen

 

[tynimiller]

So we need 4 TEs? Well, if Davis can show more than he has...then OK. If he is taking away snaps from someone else and not performing well; then it's a negative. I honestly don't know why they like him. I've seen him not do well on blocking assignments and drop passes. And I look forward to our two headed monster. Kraft and Musgrave. I hope that is part of our arsenal.

Need? That's impossible to declare. However, Davis is one of our ST stalwarts, knows the playbook, in limited snaps did a serviceable job at TE and is still quite young in the NFL terms for a TE...entering his fourth season.

 

[Poppa San]

Barring an injury, Degaura makes the 53. His experience as an H-Back will be the reason for it.

I thought I saw him listed as a FB on the depth chart. I believe there are 7 roster spots between TE and RBs available on the 53. Davis is not in competition with other TEs but with a 3rd back and 7th WR. I think that Leavitt may be on thin ice as Owens is now practicing at his spot as the personal protector for the punter.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I thought I saw him listed as a FB on the depth chart. I believe there are 7 roster spots between TE and RBs available on the 53. Davis is not in competition with other TEs but with a 3rd back and 7th WR. I think that Leavitt may be on thin ice as Owens is now practicing at his spot as the personal protector for the punter.

I have seen Deguara listed either as a TE or FB on varying Depth charts. On the Packers.com page he is listed as a FB on the depth chart and a TE on their roster. Tomato, Tomatoe, doesn't matter, as far as the final 53, he counts as a roster spot either way.

As far as the numbers kept on each position, that can very from year to year, depending on all sorts of variables. One of them, as you alluded to, is maybe keeping a player that has the versatility to play more than just one position.

The 22 Roster had an equal number on offense (25) and defense (25). With WR getting what seemed to be an "extra guy" (7 total) and 2 RB's were kept, as well as 10 OL.

2021 Roster: Offense (24) Defense (26) 3 RB's and only 6 WR's and 9 OL

2020 Roster: Offense (25) Defense (25) 4 RB's and only 5 WR's and 9 OL

What was consistent on all 3 rosters was 4 TE's kept.

I went all the way back to 2018 and that stayed the same, 4 TE's. Again, that could change, but seems to be the most consistent number of players kept on the final 53 at one position.

Had to chuckle at the 2018 initial 53. They kept 8 WR's! Drafting 3 that year didn't help with that decision. Probably not a great decision on keeping 8, 4 of them are no longer even in the NFL.

WR (8): Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Geronimo Allison, J’Mon Moore, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, Jake Kumerow, Trevor Davis

 

[OldSchool101]

It must be really hard making cuts to that 53 when getting down to that last couple of players, such as #54,#55 etc. I guess they can take solace that there’s a decent chance they’ll get called up in an injury or illness situation.