The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Raptorman]

…….stupid me, I never thought to count my number of posts. I never thought it mattered. Shame of it is, it took a Viking fan to remind me of that. Do7, let me know when I qualify, if ever, to have a legitimate opinion.

Everyone's opinion matters. But when posters on boards are not around on a regular basis and only show up when a team loses, their motives are questioned. It's not just here, and not just you. I have seen it on every board I am on. (3 Packer, 2 Vikings, 1 Ram, 2 Bears, and a Lions) It's not about post count as it is more about what you have done lately. Happens every year when a team is getting close to the playoffs. Forum members who haven't been around for months suddenly show up and start to make comments and those that have been around for the whole year are "Where the hell have you been the last few months and why should we consider your opinion now?". It's not vindictive, it's human nature. But I urge you to stick around. And post more often. This is a good board, even though it is a Packers forum.

 

[Calvin]

I would like someone to name any QB currently playing that would have a better record playing QB in GB. Rodgers is the man!

 

[longtimefan]

I would like someone to name any QB currently playing that would have a better record playing QB in GB. Rodgers is the man!

Mahomes

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Brady

 

[Pugger]

Brady

Would Brady have had the success he's enjoyed in NE if he spent his career in GB instead? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[Do7]

Would Brady have had the success he's enjoyed in NE if he spent his career in GB instead? Somehow I doubt it.

Only a fool would believe that.

 

[longtimefan]

Heard this today and never really dawned on me?

argument is that rodgers struggled because lack of talent.

so why didn't the horrible talent hurt when adams was out?

i think it was better

 

[AmishMafia]

Heard this today and never really dawned on me?

argument is that rodgers struggled because lack of talent.

so why didn't the horrible talent hurt when adams was out?

i think it was better

It all goes by draft pick. You can tell if a player is talented, not by his skillset or athletic attributes, but where he was selected in the draft or by looking up his stats. His on-field performance has nothing to do with it.

 

[Mondio]

Heard this today and never really dawned on me?

argument is that rodgers struggled because lack of talent.

so why didn't the horrible talent hurt when adams was out?

i think it was better

our RB's aren't lacking talent, not sure the pass catchers picked up a ton of slack in that department during that time. But maybe he looks for Adams too much or maybe teams started keying in on RB's used in the passing game. Usually about very 3-4 games defenses start to catch on to what offenses are doing. Also coincides with getting adams back. maybe one, maybe the other, maybe both?

I mean the dallas game, we scored 34, who was the leading receiver. Aaron Jones with 7. the rest of the WRs? 4 total. Tra Carson had as many as all of the other WR's combined. 120 yards rushing

Then Lazard was lobied for and got more time and started to emerge. That continued thru the season and I think we've all seen that he was by far the next best behind Adams but he still has his limitations in terms of knowledge and making the right reads. AJ, JW and Lazard all had 4 receptions and we had 150 yds rushing

Next game, MVS had 2 receptions, both being huge bombs, but as we learned, that was very unreliable. again, both RB's were our leading receivers with GMo also having 4.

Last game without Adams, AJ was again our leading receiver with 7. Lazard had a nice game with 5. WIlliams was next with 3. The other 4 WR's combined for 4 catches.

I didn't include TE's, they've been relatively constant all year in production, but none of them led anything while missing Adams.

So we can see the RB's, who we know are good, picked up almost all the slack during that time. So did Rodgers change when Adams came back, or did they call different games completely? Which would partially rely on the coaches.

 

[Mondio]

just was listening to some comments from yesterday. Sounds like they didn't even get the entire framework of the offense installed because some of those parts were having a real problem catching on. Rodgers said they didn't even start learning the tempo part of the offense because guys weren't ready for it. They were in babystep mode all season long. again, a likely reason quick passing and over the middle was only used in certain instances and mostly with trusted guys. Bad things happen when you're not correct in the middle.

Get some guys that can learn an offense and let's get this thing going.

 

[PackAttack12]

just was listening to some comments from yesterday. Sounds like they didn't even get the entire framework of the offense installed because some of those parts were having a real problem catching on. Rodgers said they didn't even start learning the tempo part of the offense because guys weren't ready for it. They were in babystep mode all season long. again, a likely reason quick passing and over the middle was only used in certain instances and mostly with trusted guys. Bad things happen when you're not correct in the middle.

Get some guys that can learn an offense and let's get this thing going.

It almost sounds as if there are issues at times that we as fans are not privy to. Does that mean that, what things look like on the surface aren't always reality?

No way.

 

[PackAttack12]

Brady

No way. Not the current version of Brady.

 

[Mondio]

It almost sounds as if there are issues at times that we as fans are not privy to. Does that mean that, what things look like on the surface aren't always reality?

No way.

and on that note, I'm going to head to privy, Cotton. How's that for bold strategy? and is Matt La Fleur related to Peter?

 

[PackAttack12]

Demovsky with some context on playoff losses in the Rodgers era:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers

Here's a highlight:

• More context to Aaron Rodgers and what his defenses have done (or not done) in his 18 playoff starts: Rodgers and Dan Marino are the only starting QBs in the Super Bowl era whose teams allowed 35-plus in a playoff game 5 times. There are 32 starting QBs with at least 5 playoff losses in the Super Bowl era. Of those, Rodgers' defenses allowed the most points per game in the losses. There are 32 QBs with at least 10 playoff starts and Rodgers' defenses allowed the most points per game, 26.8.

Really nothing that I haven't harped on before. Wasn't aware of this specific data, but it comes as no surprise that the defensive output in these games are historically bad, to the point of being the worst ever.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

No way. Not the current version of Brady.

The current version of Brady with Davante Adams, a running game and in 2020 EQ yeah I'll take him.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Demovsky with some context on playoff losses in the Rodgers era:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers

Here's a highlight:

• More context to Aaron Rodgers and what his defenses have done (or not done) in his 18 playoff starts: Rodgers and Dan Marino are the only starting QBs in the Super Bowl era whose teams allowed 35-plus in a playoff game 5 times. There are 32 starting QBs with at least 5 playoff losses in the Super Bowl era. Of those, Rodgers' defenses allowed the most points per game in the losses. There are 32 QBs with at least 10 playoff starts and Rodgers' defenses allowed the most points per game, 26.8.

Really nothing that I haven't harped on before. Wasn't aware of this specific data, but it comes as no surprise that the defensive output in these games are historically bad, to the point of being the worst ever.

What did Demovsky have to say about Rodgers numbers in California dating back to 2008 cause we need to see those numbers too to get the full picture

 

[PackAttack12]

The current version of Brady with Davante Adams, a running game and in 2020 EQ yeah I'll take him.

It's interesting. The Packers averaged 112 rushing yards per game, the Patriots averaged 106 rushing yards per game. Yeah that's just worlds apart, isn't it?

Interestingly enough...

Packers ran the ball 40.19% of the time, Patriots 40.64% of the time. Are we really going to make the argument that one team had a CONSIDERABLY better running game than the other?

Brady also had the #1 defense in the NFL that I can promise wouldn't have gotten their butt holes ripped open by the 49ers the way the Packers' did. And arguably the greatest football coach who ever lived.

But hey. What do I know?

What did Demovsky have to say about Rodgers numbers in California dating back to 2008 cause we need to see those numbers too to get the full picture

They aren't great. But he's alluding to a full 18 game postseason sample size. It's historically worse than what any other quarterback has ever had to work with in the postseason.

Before you bring up interceptions, Rodgers has a lower interception % than Brady in the postseason.

You can allude to Rodgers' shortcomings all you want. He doesn't come without criticism in some of the playoff losses, but you absolutely cannot defend Rodgers' defense giving up the most points per game on average than any other postseason quarterback in history.

At least have the ability to be objective about it.

 

[Do7]

At least have the ability to be objective about it.

Don't ask the impossible.

 

[XPack]

Heard this today and never really dawned on me?

argument is that rodgers struggled because lack of talent.

so why didn't the horrible talent hurt when adams was out?

i think it was better

Probably opposition was weakest. We played Cowboys (against whom we are on a roll), Raiders and Mahomes less Chiefs plus Lions, I think.

I think the game plan to integrate both Adams and Jones was not really good. We went from a smooth to dysfunctional offence in span of a game.

 

[Calvin]

The current version of Brady with Davante Adams, a running game and in 2020 EQ yeah I'll take him.

LOL, i guess Brady would have checked in at LB this Sunday.

 

[rmontro]

I thought it was interesting that after this entire past weekend of football, Cowherd's opening segment yesterday was "wow, what a dirtbag that Aaron Rodgers is". I mean, he didn't actually say that, but that was the tone. He said Rodgers is a bailer, he bails on his coach, he bails on his teammates, he bails on plays". Stopped short of saying "He bailed on his family, he bailed on his brother". I don't know how he came to that sudden conclusion after watching the 49ers run over our defense like a Mac truck, but whatever.

And to show the other other side of his face, he did say the Packers Super Bowl window should be open for the next five to six years. Unlike many commentators I saw saying their window is now closed. I spent a good bit of the day yesterday commiserating by watching sports shows, a lot of them saying the Packers were frauds.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I thought it was interesting that after this entire past weekend of football, Cowherd's opening segment yesterday was "wow, what a dirtbag that Aaron Rodgers is". I mean, he didn't actually say that, but that was the tone. He said Rodgers is a bailer, he bails on his coach, he bails on his teammates, he bails on plays". Stopped short of saying "He bailed on his family, he bailed on his brother". I don't know how he came to that sudden conclusion after watching the 49ers run over our defense like a Mac truck, but whatever.

And to show the other other side of his face, he did say the Packers Super Bowl window should be open for the next five to six years. Unlike many commentators I saw saying their window is now closed. I spent a good bit of the day yesterday commiserating by watching sports shows, a lot of them saying the Packers were frauds.

I would say the window is more like 2-3 years. I only saw one time AR bailed yesterday and that was when he made absolutely no effort to recover the fumble.

 

[rmontro]

I would say the window is more like 2-3 years. I only saw one time AR bailed yesterday and that was when he made absolutely no effort to recover the fumble.

There's been a lot of criticism about not attempting to recover the fumble. Something no one has mentioned is that Rodgers was moving backwards when the ball was fumbled, it almost looked as if he were falling backwards, so he would have had to shift his weight forward before he could have dived for the ball. By that time maybe the play would have been over. I don't know, I don't really have any conclusions on that.

As for the "he bails on plays" criticism, I took that to refer to how he leads the league in throwaways. Better to throw it away than risk a sack or interception, but there are some who think he is too concerned with his TD/INT ration, which is about the only part of his game that hasn't really fallen off statistically. Like maybe he's grasping that one straw he has left.

As for the window, if Rodgers can play at a decent level for the next five years without falling off a cliff, I see no reason why the window shouldn't be open. If they can surround him with top talent like Elway and Manning were at the end of their career, I see no reason why Rodgers couldn't at least game manage a team to a Super Bowl win.

I don't know if he'll play that long though, even though he has said he wants to. For whatever reason, the press likes to dump on him, and some fans too. Add in the frustration that GB hasn't been able to surround with another Super Bowl quality team. He may just decide he doesn't want to deal with it at some point.

I've heard a couple of commentators (whose name I wouldn't know if you asked me) basically say "Wow, Aaron Rodgers, he only has one ring, what a loser". Not those words exactly, but that was the crux of it. As if having one ring isn't an accomplishment in itself. You don't hear people saying that about Brees. Something about Rodgers makes him a lightning rod for these kind of remarks.

 

[ls1bob]

Heard this today and never really dawned on me?

argument is that rodgers struggled because lack of talent.

so why didn't the horrible talent hurt when adams was out?

i think it was better

I was wondering the same thing. When Adams came back,it was like the offense “stalled” for lack of a better term. The KC game imo was masterful with the use of Aaron Jones aligned on the outside with only a LB to cover him. Without Adams it seemed as if the defense didn’t know who was going to get the ball and Rodgers “had” to throw to other receivers. No doubt that Adams is a top 5 receiver in the league,but seeing how we did when he was out,maybe MLF should have found another way to use him in the offense as far as using him as a decoy or aligned in different formations. Plus,stress to Rodgers that in the long term it is better for the team not to force it and spread it around,drops or not.

 

[rmontro]

MLF should have found another way to use him in the offense as far as using him as a decoy or aligned in different formations. Plus,stress to Rodgers that in the long term it is better for the team not to force it and spread it around,drops or not.

Yeah, I mean how much worse could the offense be? We're only in the middle of the pack now, and that's with Aaron Rodgers.