The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[XPack]

I’d rather go for Robby Anderson and bring Cobb back.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MVS had a slightly better rookie season than Adams.

Jennings is the last packer to make a significant impact as a rookie.

We better hope MVS, whose career so far is similar to Adams' first 2 seasons, has a great 3rd season. We can't afford to draft more WRs and wait 1-2 seasons for them to develop.

I agree that MVS had better stats than Adams did in each of their perspective rookie seasons and I think that was why the Packers (Gute) felt MVS and Allison could be enough to compliment Adams. Unfortunately, neither Allison or MVS seemed good enough this season and I would even go so far to say, MVS has regressed from his Rookie year.

As far as the notion of not being able to afford to draft more WR's, I couldn't disagree more, we can't afford not to. That is, unless we sign a FA WR or 2.

 

[OldSchool101]

Were 3 WR short of a good crew. That’s my opinion but I’m not far off. I don’t believe Gutey will make this mistake again. The cupboard is waaay too bare. He’s smarter than to keep it like that.
2 WR signings is imperative to boost this Offense

 

[Mondio]

Were 3 WR short of a good crew. That’s my opinion but I’m not far off. I don’t believe Gutey will make this mistake again. The cupboard is waaay to bare. He’s smarter than to keep it like that.

I don't think it was a mistake in that they didn't know what they were doing, it was just part of the plan. Pettine was here, they knew what they needed to finish the D. MLF just got here and had no idea what he had for offensive players. He'd never met them, didn't know strengths, weakness etc. Didn't know how they'd fit in his vision etc. He's got a year in, he knows what he wants and needs to make this offense go. So this year they'll pick D if the quality is there, but I expect a lot of attention to be paid to the offense, at least at WR, likely RB even TE, always can pick up OLine, but playmakers especially.

But it's not like they neglected the offense, they got some of the most important pieces in 2 good guards, one that is going to get much better I think. Always keep those lines strong and you'll always be in decent shape. I think the 2 guards, 1 in FA and 1 in the draft had more impact than say an OBJ would have.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't think it was a mistake in that they didn't know what they were doing, it was just part of the plan. Pettine was here, they knew what they needed to finish the D. MLF just got here and had no idea what he had for offensive players. He'd never met them, didn't know strengths, weakness etc. Didn't know how they'd fit in his vision etc. He's got a year in, he knows what he wants and needs to make this offense go. So this year they'll pick D if the quality is there, but I expect a lot of attention to be paid to the offense, at least at WR, likely RB even TE, always can pick up OLine, but playmakers especially.

But it's not like they neglected the offense, they got some of the most important pieces in 2 good guards, one that is going to get much better I think. Always keep those lines strong and you'll always be in decent shape. I think the 2 guards, 1 in FA and 1 in the draft had more impact than say an OBJ would have.

Yeah. You don’t need to defend him. I like Gutey.
OBJ? Good Lord No
It’s still a mistake and I’m confident Gutey would tell you that himself. We underestimated a bit at WR and the vast majority in here said it before the season began, so we can’t assume it wasn’t a major discussion in the FO. You win some you lose some.
The Smiths were a Win. The WR area was a gamble and we lost that one.

 

[swhitset]

I don't think it was a mistake in that they didn't know what they were doing, it was just part of the plan. Pettine was here, they knew what they needed to finish the D. MLF just got here and had no idea what he had for offensive players. He'd never met them, didn't know strengths, weakness etc. Didn't know how they'd fit in his vision etc. He's got a year in, he knows what he wants and needs to make this offense go. So this year they'll pick D if the quality is there, but I expect a lot of attention to be paid to the offense, at least at WR, likely RB even TE, always can pick up OLine, but playmakers especially.

But it's not like they neglected the offense, they got some of the most important pieces in 2 good guards, one that is going to get much better I think. Always keep those lines strong and you'll always be in decent shape. I think the 2 guards, 1 in FA and 1 in the draft had more impact than say an OBJ would have.

I completely agree. I think that the fact that they won as many games as they have has obscured the fact that this was always a multi year mini rebuild.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I completely agree. I think that the fact that they won as many games as they have has obscured the fact that this was always a multi year mini rebuild.

Agree with both you and Mondio on the rebuild thing. Perhaps the Packers themselves saw that this was a multi year project and didn't expect this much success this fast and thus were willing to roll the dice at WR and ILB and see what they had.

That still doesn't quite explain why Gute stood pat before the trade deadline, when it was pretty obvious that we were short talent in the WR room, as well as were putting a decent season together.

Now the painful truth about those two positions (WR and ILB) and probably the TE as well. The Packers weakest links lie in these positions, but they officially have a team that is in the conversation for Super Bowls, this year and i am sure next year. So all of a sudden, they might be in "win now mode" and need to roll the dice on quick and sure improvements at those 2-3 positions.

Unless Gute swings a deal, we will be picking at #30 or later, I honestly don't expect a bonafide impact player (his rookie season) to be sitting there, so Free Agency will be Gutes friend again.

 

[BrokenArrow]

We better hope MVS, whose career so far is similar to Adams' first 2 seasons, has a great 3rd season. We can't afford to draft more WRs and wait 1-2 seasons for them to develop.

Besides, is there any rookie WR that Aaron Rodgers wouldn't take 1-2 to get over his trust issues with? The best chance for getting him receiving help is through established veterans. That said, I would take Hunter Henry over any of the FA WR options out there right now.

 

[rmontro]

Yeah I heard him today and yesterday. Yesterday he was spatting on some kind of nonsense in how Rodgers needs to take more risks in throwing the football, when NOT turning over the ball is crucial to winning football games. The dude says he doesn't hate Rodgers but all evidence come to the contrary

He seems to respect Rodgers' talent but dislikes his personality. He likes QBs who are humble, don't make commercials, stay low profile, and say all the right things at the mic.

But yeah, it's a bit like he's saying "Get out there and throw some picks, Aaron. The "too cautious" idea is nothing new though. It goes along with the holding the ball too long criticism, and I imagine Packer fans who think Favre was a better QB would think Rodgers should take more risks.

The dumbest thing I heard Cowherd say today was how he was minimizing the Packers record this year because they played in a "weak division". Weaker than the NFC West maybe, but that's about it. This after he talked all year about how Minnesota has one of the best rosters in the league. Detroit was the only team in the NFC North with a losing record.

Cowherd has made a career on contradicting himself. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. He's no where near as bad as Skip, though.

At this point, Skip is so much of a cartoon character he doesn't even bother me.

 

[XPack]

Cowherd has made a career on contradicting himself. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. He's no where near as bad as Skip, though.

Grain of salt? More like a bucket of salt! Even better tune him out.

Him and Skip are so biased that unless you subscribe to their particular tastes, it’s better to ignore them completely.

And use as bait to laugh at when they are wrong.

 

[rmontro]

Him and Skip are so biased that unless you subscribe to their particular tastes, it’s better to ignore them completely.

I've noticed when it comes to sports shows, how much I enjoy it has little to do with whether or not I agree with what they're saying. Admittedly, there is something about Cowherd that makes you want to punch him in the mouth, but I find The Herd entertaining, for whatever reason.

In comparison, watching Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman on First Take puts me right to sleep. I don't know why. But I like to have sports shows on at that time of the day. If I wanted to listen to someone talk about how great the Packers were all the time, I'd just find the appropriate podcast.

 

[XPack]

I've noticed when it comes to sports shows, how much I enjoy it has little to do with whether or not I agree with what they're saying. Admittedly, there is something about Cowherd that makes you want to punch him in the mouth, but I find The Herd entertaining, for whatever reason.

In comparison, watching Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman on First Take puts me right to sleep. I don't know why. But I like to have sports shows on at that time of the day. If I wanted to listen to someone talk about how great the Packers were all the time, I'd just find the appropriate podcast.

Unfortunately it’s hard to find a balanced show. Either you are for or biased against. I like Smith to listen to though It’s obvious he’s a AR fan. But listening to Skip just puts me in bad mood as it’s all fake. I have no inclination to listen to him even for entertainment purposes. Wait for internets quotes to make fun after it happens.

I've enough entertainment reading gbgary and raptorman posts!

 

[rmontro]

Unfortunately it’s hard to find a balanced show. Either you are for or biased against. I like Smith to listen to though It’s obvious he’s a AR fan. But listening to Skip just puts me in bad mood as it’s all fake.

You've got to remember these sports shows are just mindless chatter for the most part. The idea isn't so much to be "right" as to be saying something, anything, just to fill time. And if you can set two people with opposite opinions against each other, so much the better, then you get the debate angle. It's just entertainment, kind of like The View or Oprah for men.

As for Skip, as I said before, he's such a cartoon character he doesn't bother me. I have no doubt he dislikes Rodgers, but there are times he can't keep the smile from creeping onto his face when he's bashing him. He knows he's full of ****, well sometimes he knows.

I seem to recall someone saying that the reason Skip hates Rodgers is that he was a big Favre supporter, and went on at the time that it was a big mistake for the Packers to move on from Favre to Rodgers. Rodgers kind of proved him wrong, and he dug in from there. I don't know if that is true or not, because I didn't watch First Take back then.

 

[longtimefan]

That still doesn't quite explain why Gute stood pat before the trade deadline, when it was pretty obvious that we were short talent in the WR room, as well as were putting a decent season together.

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Only explanation has to be the asking price was to much they were willing to do??

 

[HardRightEdge]

No doubt and they can do that in the draft, but relying on a rookie? Not my cup of tea. So until then, who do you go with?

I would suggest Hunter Henry.

 

[Pugger]

did he only sign a 1 year in Dallas? i could look, but i can't remember I thought it was a 2 year? Figures though, he has a fairly healthy year somewhere else. He was worth money healthy here.

Maybe had he stayed he would have been healthy like most of the rest of our guys this year (for a change).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would suggest Hunter Henry.

I like that for starters and a Vet WR as well. I think a depth chart like this would be awesome:

WR

1. Adams
2. Vet VA
3. Lazard
4. 1st or 2nd Rd. Rookie
5. MVS
6. EQB

TE

1. Henry
2. Sternberger
3. Tonyan

 

[Poppa San]

Vet VA

I'm all for hiring vets through the VA. Fill the front offices, coaching staff, and grounds crews with them if you want but they need to be able to play pro ball to be on the field.

 

[pacmaniac]

It is strange that Rodgers has played in 3 NFC Championship games so far, and he has played poorly in all 3 games. He will need to have a great game tomorrow if we are to have a chance to win.

For a guy who's had a grudge against SF forever, he hasn't really done much to show them that they made a mistake. He went 1-1 against Alex Smith with the 9ers, he went 1-3 against Kaepernick, and so far he's been unable to beat Garropolo.

 

[Do7]

It is strange that Rodgers has played in 3 NFC Championship games so far, and he has played poorly in all 3 games. He will need to have a great game tomorrow if we are to have a chance to win.

For a guy who's had a grudge against SF forever, he hasn't really done much to show them that they made a mistake. He went 1-1 against Alex Smith with the 9ers, he went 1-3 against Kaepernick, and so far he's been unable to beat Garropolo.

*sigh*

Ok first off, a little context shall we? See that is the problem I have with people who bring up this stuff in regards to Rodgers' performance in his NFC Championship appearances.

The game against Seattle, both Cobb and Nelson dropped two sure TDs. Keep in mind Rodgers was playing with a partial tear in his calf, anyone with eyes could see he wasn't himself, as the dude could hardly scramble. Even still, the man was able to lead the team down and score to get them into OT. Then Wilson and company got the ball and scored, end of story.

The game against Atlanta, Rodgers was pretty much the only person who showed up that game, bare in mind he was without Jordy that game, and the offense were dropping passes left and right as well as fumbling the ball. Don't get me started on the defense.

The first game against San Fran in the playoffs, I don't think anyone expected what Kaepernick did, plus they were facing off against Patrick Willis and company who had the best defense in the league. It was either them or Seattle. Did Rodgers play the best game? No.

The second time in Lambeau Rodgers gave them the freaking lead only for Jarrett Bush to cost the team by letting Kaepernick get into FG range and thus ended our season. Bare in mind this is Rodgers' second game after coming back from first his collarbone injury.

And he's only played against Garropolo once. Nice of you to omit the fact that they beat San Fran last year but whatever.

 

[gbgary]

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U didn't answer my last one

last what? what is this post about?

 

[longtimefan]

last what? what is this post about?

How they look at each other

 

[PackAttack12]

It is strange that Rodgers has played in 3 NFC Championship games so far, and he has played poorly in all 3 games. He will need to have a great game tomorrow if we are to have a chance to win.

For a guy who's had a grudge against SF forever, he hasn't really done much to show them that they made a mistake. He went 1-1 against Alex Smith with the 9ers, he went 1-3 against Kaepernick, and so far he's been unable to beat Garropolo.

To be kind, I’ll grant you the first two, even though Seattle is highly debatable.

Please though. How did he play poorly against Atlanta? I’d love to hear it.

 

[Mondio]

He didn't play poorly in Seattle. he had one bad pass out to Cobb, that was it. The rest was great defense or stumbles by other offensive players. That other INT was a free play he just threw to the endzone but the officials never threw the flag. he and everyone else saw it, it was, except it wasn't. Oh well. But he played pretty well against that defense with a bum leg.

 

[PackAttack12]

last what? what is this post about?

You know exactly what it’s about. Don’t play.