Talk of releasing Jones. Sad but true -- adios amigo

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'll go eat crow in the FA thread for saying that Jones was not the right for the Vikings. I still believe that especially since they let go of Cook the other year and now Mattison this year. Aaron Jones is now their workhorse next to Sam Darnold. I'm still laughing at this mix though. It doesn't scare me.

Losing Cousins is a big blow to the Vikings. Justin Jefferson hasn't been resigned to a new deal yet. Not a good year to have crap at QB, while trying to resign the best WR in the NFL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm withholding a lot of comments on the Jones situation to let the emotion bleed out of it. But at least from a PR standpoint this is shaping up to be a disaster, especially with the news at the Packers wanted at least a 50% pay cut from the guy a year after he gave him back 5 million.

From what I read, the Packers started the negotiations at a 50% pay cut and the 2 sides were slowly getting closer to a deal. My guess is that they were far enough apart and the Packers discovered they could get Josh Jacobs and decided to move on.

Tough losing Jones, but age, his types of injuries (knees) and money all played a factor in it. At the end of the day, I'm now a Josh Jacobs fan, until they replace him.

 

[Poppa San]

It would seem they’d have a hard time claiming residency where they don’t play, but I’d be curious to know that. They play 8+ games out of State. That’s a lot taxes!

"Professional athletes’ taxes, or “jock taxes”, have become a common way for states to fund their governments off the backs of the athletes who play there. When athletes play in a state that collects income tax, any money made from that game is taxed as income earned in that state, which can lead to a bill of thousands of dollars for one day spent in that state."

https://www.mightytaxes.com/jock-tax-professional-athletes-state-tax/

 

[PikeBadger]

From what I read, the Packers started the negotiations at a 50% pay cut and the 2 sides were slowly getting closer to a deal. My guess is that they were far enough apart and the Packers discovered they could get Josh Jacobs and decided to move on.

Tough losing Jones, but age, his types of injuries (knees) and money all played a factor in it. At the end of the day, I'm now a Josh Jacobs fan, until they replace him.

I'm on board with this too. I will admit I have concerns about Jacobs' intangibles however.

 

[El Guapo]

"Professional athletes’ taxes, or “jock taxes”, have become a common way for states to fund their governments off the backs of the athletes who play there. When athletes play in a state that collects income tax, any money made from that game is taxed as income earned in that state, which can lead to a bill of thousands of dollars for one day spent in that state."

https://www.mightytaxes.com/jock-tax-professional-athletes-state-tax/

I remember reading about this years ago. I think it's interesting because those of us who travel all around the country/world for work each week, do not have to pay taxes in each of those states. Can you imagine every time your company sent you somewhere, that you had to pay taxes on the portion of your pay earned while working in that state for a day or a week?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm on board with this too. I will admit I have concerns about Jacobs' intangibles however.

Curious, what are your concerns with Jacobs?

Jacobs injuries haven't been ones that I would worry about (listed below), whereas Jones has had several knee and hammy issues. If you are worried about Jones VS Jacobs and the locker room, maybe I can see that. With Jones being a strong presence. I just don't see a lot of "dirt" on Jacobs. There was a tweet incident when he posted a "concerned" emoji after McDaniels was hired as the head coach. He deleted it, but turns out he was right to be concerned, McDaniels didn't even last 2 years in Vegas.

Jacobs Injury History:

Date	League	Injury	Details
Sep 30, 2017	Non-NFL	Pedal Ankle Fracture	Jacobs broke his ankle in a game against Ole Miss. He missed the following game but played through it the rest of the season.
Aug 27, 2017	Non-NFL	Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2	Pulled hammy before season started and missed first two games.
Dec 4, 2019	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Jacobs was dealing with a shoulder injury since Week 7. He sat out of the Week 14 game vs. Titans. He missed the final two games of the season with the same injury
Nov 29, 2020	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2	Jacobs suffered a sprained ankle in Week 12's blowout loss to the Atlanta Falcons. He missed the next game
Sep 13, 2021	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Jacobs suffered an ankle injury in Week 1's win against the Ravens and missed two games
Sep 6, 2021	NFL	Pedal Toe Sprain	Jacobs tended to a toe injury during Week 1 prep. He missed two games
Oct 24, 2021	NFL	Chest Rib Bruise	Jacobs sustained a chest contusion in Week 7's win over the Eagles.
Dec 10, 2023	NFL	Leg Quad Bruise	Jacobs went down with a quad injury late in Week 14 vs. the Vikings.

 

[Half Empty]

Aaron Jones isn't going anywhere. He has 1 year remaining on his contract and the actual amount that the Packers are paying him for that year is reasonable for both sides, $12M.

All the other talk is sheer fluff. Yes, the Packers would love to rework his deal, keep him another year or 2 after 2024 and push more cap out. Jones wants to stay in GB, but also wants to be paid as a top 10 back. I can't find anything online about him getting a 3/14 roster bonus, so whatever they do with Jones, can wait. I predict they work out a 2 year extension and incentivize it with lots of playing/roster bonuses.

On the other hand...

Sorry, too easy of a softball.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

On the other hand...

Sorry, too easy of a softball.

I deserved it. One of the bigger stunners for me in awhile. Now had they not signed Josh Jacobs and released Jones, I would be even more stunned. However, I think by signing Jacobs, Gute saw no reason to have to keep Jones.

 

[rmontro]

What irritates me is Jones ended up signing with the Vikings for less than what we offered him. I know it happens, but still.

 

[PikeBadger]

Curious, what are your concerns with Jacobs?

Jacobs injuries haven't been ones that I would worry about (listed below), whereas Jones has had several knee and hammy issues. If you are worried about Jones VS Jacobs and the locker room, maybe I can see that. With Jones being a strong presence. I just don't see a lot of "dirt" on Jacobs. There was a tweet incident when he posted a "concerned" emoji after McDaniels was hired as the head coach. He deleted it, but turns out he was right to be concerned, McDaniels didn't even last 2 years in Vegas.

Jacobs Injury History:

Date	League	Injury	Details
Sep 30, 2017	Non-NFL	Pedal Ankle Fracture	Jacobs broke his ankle in a game against Ole Miss. He missed the following game but played through it the rest of the season.
Aug 27, 2017	Non-NFL	Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2	Pulled hammy before season started and missed first two games.
Dec 4, 2019	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Jacobs was dealing with a shoulder injury since Week 7. He sat out of the Week 14 game vs. Titans. He missed the final two games of the season with the same injury
Nov 29, 2020	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2	Jacobs suffered a sprained ankle in Week 12's blowout loss to the Atlanta Falcons. He missed the next game
Sep 13, 2021	NFL	Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1	Jacobs suffered an ankle injury in Week 1's win against the Ravens and missed two games
Sep 6, 2021	NFL	Pedal Toe Sprain	Jacobs tended to a toe injury during Week 1 prep. He missed two games
Oct 24, 2021	NFL	Chest Rib Bruise	Jacobs sustained a chest contusion in Week 7's win over the Eagles.
Dec 10, 2023	NFL	Leg Quad Bruise	Jacobs went down with a quad injury late in Week 14 vs. the Vikings.

I'd rather not expose some of my biases. It's a feeling. I'm uncertain about this but I completely understand why Gutekunst felt this was the way to go.

 

[OldSchool101]

Or another way of putting it is he misses 3-17 games a year and you would still be correct. On average though he has missed 2.6 games per year. Another way would be is he misses 0-6 games a year since the most he has missed is 6 and the least he has missed is 0. He has played in 97 of 115 games. I am not sure if the missed games his rookie year were all due to injury either.

The problem with being human is our bodies don’t get more reliable with age. The risk between a RB at 29.5-33.5 years old of injury (or decline) is easily double of that of RB between 26.3 and 30.3 yrs old.

You guys can silently trivialize (or you wouldn’t be so focused on notating it) this point on 38 months age difference. When it comes to injury history and age, they just don’t go well together. However the Packers staff and myself 100% agree that 38 months in age is a massive difference for RB approaching 30 yrs old. It’s no coincidence Jacob’s contract playing time expires exactly on birthday #30. It’s also no mistake Jones got a 1 year deal (potential playing time to just weeks after birthday #30) that might seem like a coincidence that 2 separate franchises both think alike. So I’m not sure why you act so surprised or want to fight on that hill? You might be even be correct once in defending the older player, but to your once.. they’ll be correct thrice.


Is Aaron Jones a great guy? Absolutely. You’re debating about past age or past health won’t negate that. We all love us some Aaron Jones. It’s hard to lose a good person we all agree with you there. He gave us some fond memories it’s hard to let go. I guess I understand though. Interestingly enough I had that same problem with Jordy. For whatever reason I was irritated we didn’t retain him on the cheap. These current moves are not nearly as clean $$ wise and maybe that’s why it’s more palatable for me personally.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You guys can argue all you want that she doesn’t matter. However the Packers staff and myself disagree

Freudian slip?

Spill the beans, who is she?

 

[El Guapo]

What irritates me is Jones ended up signing with the Vikings for less than what we offered him. I know it happens, but still.

What was the offer from the Packers? I heard 50% pay cut of his $12M salary, so roughly $6M. He signed for $7M so more than we offered.

That said, we are paying Jacobs $14.8M next year with all bonuses and incentives which is A LOT more. I like Jacobs, his youth, and his durability, but for $8M I bet that we could have had Jones back.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What was the offer from the Packers? I heard 50% pay cut of his $12M salary, so roughly $6M. He signed for $7M so more than we offered.

That said, we are paying Jacobs $14.8M next year with all bonuses and incentives which is A LOT more. I like Jacobs, his youth, and his durability, but for $8M I bet that we could have had Jones back.

While you can look at Jacobs contract like that, I think the Packers learned a valuable lesson with Jones's deal. They basically signed Jacobs to 4 one year contracts, wrapped into 1 contract. How they wrote it up, allows the Packers to affordably move on after each year, if they feel Jacobs isn't earning it. That is worth something IMO.

Did they get a back that in 2024 is worth $7M more than Jones? Probably not, but what they got did get is a younger back, with more upside and years left in his career.

 

[rmontro]

What was the offer from the Packers? I heard 50% pay cut of his $12M salary, so roughly $6M. He signed for $7M so more than we offered.

I had heard we offered him $8.5 million. If that's true, maybe the 50% was a starting point.
Got to remember Jacobs is three years younger, too.

 

[El Guapo]

While you can look at Jacobs contract like that, I think the Packers learned a valuable lesson with Jones's deal. They basically signed Jacobs to 4 one year contracts, wrapped into 1 contract. How they wrote it up, allows the Packers to affordably move on after each year, if they feel Jacobs isn't earning it. That is worth something IMO.

Did they get a back that in 2024 is worth $7M more than Jones? Probably not, but what they got did get is a younger back, with more upside and years left in his career.

Yes, that is true that we have no obligations after Year 1 except for dead cap. I definitely agree that we got a younger and hopefully more injury-resistant RB.

Here is how the $14.8M of cash out the door is paid out in Year 1. It breaks down like this:

2024
$12.5M - Signing Bonus
$ 1.2M - Base Salary
$ 0.5M - Per Game Bonus
$ 0.6M - Workout Bonus
$14.8M 2024 Cash

However, as shown below it is only a $5.425M cap hit in 2024 due to the signing bonus being spread (cap-wise) over the four years.

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I suppose that a 1yr deal for Jones at $8.5M would have all hit in one year (???) so that would have been a smaller cash hit but bigger cap hit for GB in 2024 than Jacobs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, that is true that we have no obligations after Year 1 except for dead cap. I definitely agree that we got a younger and hopefully more injury-resistant RB.

Here is how the $14.8M of cash out the door is paid out in Year 1. It breaks down like this:

2024
$12.5M - Signing Bonus
$ 1.2M - Base Salary
$ 0.5M - Per Game Bonus
$ 0.6M - Workout Bonus
$14.8M 2024 Cash

However, as shown below it is only a $5.425M cap hit in 2024 due to the signing bonus being spread (cap-wise) over the four years.

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I suppose that a 1yr deal for Jones at $8.5M would have all hit in one year (???) so that would have been a smaller cash hit but bigger cap hit for GB in 2024 than Jacobs.

Honestly, the only reason I think keeping Jones would have been more favorable to the Packers, is if they extended him out 2-3 more years at $6-7M/year. That would have allowed them to extend all his dead cap out too. That said, a 30 year old back starts to be treated like a poison pill in the NFL and maybe last years battle to stay healthy was the tipping point for Packers and Jones.

Didn't happen, love Jones, but moving forward with Jacobs is a plus in my book.

 

[Schultz]

The problem with being human is our bodies don’t get more reliable with age. The risk between a RB at 29.5-33.5 years old of injury (or decline) is easily double of that of RB between 26.3 and 30.3 yrs old.

You guys can silently trivialize (or you wouldn’t be so focused on notating it) this point on 38 months age difference. When it comes to injury history and age, they just don’t go well together. However the Packers staff and myself 100% agree that 38 months in age is a massive difference for RB approaching 30 yrs old. It’s no coincidence Jacob’s contract playing time expires exactly on birthday #30. It’s also no mistake Jones got a 1 year deal (potential playing time to just weeks after birthday #30) that might seem like a coincidence that 2 separate franchises both think alike. So I’m not sure why you act so surprised or want to fight on that hill? You might be even be correct once in defending the older player, but to your once.. they’ll be correct thrice.


Is Aaron Jones a great guy? Absolutely. You’re debating about past age or past health won’t negate that. We all love us some Aaron Jones. It’s hard to lose a good person we all agree with you there. He gave us some fond memories it’s hard to let go. I guess I understand though. Interestingly enough I had that same problem with Jordy. For whatever reason I was irritated we didn’t retain him on the cheap. These current moves are not nearly as clean $$ wise and maybe that’s why it’s more palatable for me personally.

That's fine. You have stated your position and your thoughts and reasons for your position. I will continue to do the same. They may have to re-send me the memo about only posting when I agree with the F/O and the cool guys on this message board because I did not get that memo yet.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They may have to re-send me the memo about only posting when I agree with the F/O and the cool guys on this message board because I did not get that memo yet.

They only sent those memos out to the cool guys.

 

[Schultz]

Yes, that is true that we have no obligations after Year 1 except for dead cap. I definitely agree that we got a younger and hopefully more injury-resistant RB.

Here is how the $14.8M of cash out the door is paid out in Year 1. It breaks down like this:

2024
$12.5M - Signing Bonus
$ 1.2M - Base Salary
$ 0.5M - Per Game Bonus
$ 0.6M - Workout Bonus
$14.8M 2024 Cash

However, as shown below it is only a $5.425M cap hit in 2024 due to the signing bonus being spread (cap-wise) over the four years.

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I suppose that a 1yr deal for Jones at $8.5M would have all hit in one year (???) so that would have been a smaller cash hit but bigger cap hit for GB in 2024 than Jacobs.

I hope your breakdown to come up with 14.8 is wrong. Wouldn't that mean Jacobs only plays 1 game next year? Or is it closer to $ 30,000 per game capping at $500,000 ?

 

[Team Ronny]

How many Super Bowls have they won? Would seem to vindicate that the Packers cut those guys.

Yeah, that team isn't going to get over the hump that way! I mean who cares about the lowry's and sullivans!! Jones is a good dude..too bad he went "there!"

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

"every story has 3 sides to it"

Aaron Jones reaction to Demovsky's Twitter post.

https://x.com/Showtyme_33/status/1767538537002332392

 

[Schultz]

Has he put out anything besides what LTF posted yesterday? He only talked about the families and the community in Green Bay. I figured he was waiting to sign with someone else before the thanking of the organization, teammates, coaches statement. If anyone has seen something else please enlighten us. Thanks in advance.

 

[PikeBadger]

They only sent those memos out to the cool guys.

No wonder I didn't get the memo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Has he put out anything besides what LTF posted yesterday? He only talked about the families and the community in Green Bay. I figured he was waiting to sign with someone else before the thanking of the organization, teammates, coaches statement. If anyone has seen something else please enlighten us. Thanks in advance.

If you have a Twitter account, he has been reposting a lot of Tweets from other people. I think framing his side through those. His Foundation in Green Bay put out a tweet, thanking Green Bay.

Otherwise, just his "every story has 3 sides to it" is all I have seen.