Studs and Duds Thursday Night vs the 49ers.

[Fredrik87]

Was it just me or did that almost feel like a scrimmage tonight? Maybe my mindset, no fans in the stands and their backup QB was worse than I remember Kizer or Hundley being. Seemed like the outcome was never in doubt and really it was just a matter of not making a series of dumb mistakes and an easy W.

Crap, as I typed that out, I started thinking "Did I steal that from a 49'er fan page after both of last years games?

It did feel a bit like a scrimmage because of all the backups out there But Mullens though terrible is still better than I remember Kizer and especially Hundley being.
Mullens at least is in the positive in TD:INT Ratio.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I could care less about that penalty
They hamstring defenses enough, now they can't stop forward momentum. have to tackle them forward rather than try and defend that line according to the NFL. His tackle was nothing. I"m telling you, we used to do that to each other daily from the time we were 7 at least thru college. Living room floors, hayfields, wrestling mats, football fields. It's a nothing. Don't want to see it, blow the whistle immediately and stop the action. Otherwise let the defenders defend.

I didn't think it was the style they penalized as much as the whistle blowing and him continuing.

It wasn't that penalty alone that got me worked. More so that he kept continually doing more hands to the face/holding on the receiver stuff that has been going on for a while with him. Lotta flashbacks to Ahmad Caroll, the worst CB in Packer history.

 

[Fredrik87]

James was not beating single coverage. He was finding blown assignments in zone.

Honestly despite only giving up 10 points prior to the very final seconds I still don't feel any better about our defense we gave up 52 yards and 4.3 ypc to mckinnon which doesn't seem like a ton but in the in each of the last two weeks he's finished with -1 yards rushing.

And we had a ton of just pure coverage busts against the pass.

The only thing I will say I feel a lot better about is our ability to cover TE's other than Gronk we haven't really had a TE kill us.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They are pathetic lol

I think its important though to give credit where credit is due and that would be to Shanahan. He has a brilliant offensive mind and like one of the guys said last night, probably loved this challenge of having to win with mainly backups on offense. His available players may have changed, but he still knew how to attack the same old Packer defense. I don't think the Packers defense was the main reason the 9'ers were held to 3 points for much of the game, as much as it was the 9'ers offense not being able to consistently execute on plays that were there for the taking.

I won't complain about a Road W that I think most of us had penciled in as a L probably for as long as the 2020 schedule has been out. However, I hope the Packer coaches and players saw a lot of things that they need to improve upon, to be able to beat much better teams.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

That stat right there is an indication of just how much Alexander and King mean to the Packers, as well as an indication of just how easy it is to carve up the defense it would seem. Yes, some of that got padded at garbage time, but I don't think the defense was told to stop covering him?

James had a career night last night playing on a JV offense, with a pretty terrible QB.

9 catches
184 yards
20.4 ave./catch
1 TD

Prior to last nights game, his career Stats:

15
295
20.0
3

Bit of an indictment on Pettine too though. No doubt losing those corners probably did bring about a little less man coverage and more zone. But even eith

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bit of an indictment on Pettine too though. No doubt losing those corners probably did bring about a little less man coverage and more zone. But even eith

Maybe I have a skewed memory, but for years it seems like I hear this statement muttered way too often about an opposing offensive player "This guy is having a career game today."

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think it was the style they penalized as much as the whistle blowing and him continuing.

It wasn't that penalty alone that got me worked. More so that he kept continually doing more hands to the face/holding on the receiver stuff that has been going on for a while with him. Lotta flashbacks to Ahmad Caroll, the worst CB in Packer history.

he does have some Carrol in him. the previous 2 weeks, i thought, hey maybe this guy can be serviceable. But last night was more of the same I think and not the good stuff

 

[Dantés]

Honestly despite only giving up 10 points prior to the very final seconds I still don't feel any better about our defense we gave up 52 yards and 4.3 ypc to mckinnon which doesn't seem like a ton but in the in each of the last two weeks he's finished with -1 yards rushing.

And we had a ton of just pure coverage busts against the pass.

The only thing I will say I feel a lot better about is our ability to cover TE's other than Gronk we haven't really had a TE kill us.

I don't see any reason to feel better about the defense after last night. They were getting crushed on the edges in the running game, missing tackles, and blowing assignments. It didn't matter against a JV squad, but that doesn't change the reality.

The pressure they created was also mostly due to a scrub back up at LT.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Rashan looked good. Tyler Ervin caught the ball really well. I thought the D played with a lot more intensity. They need to play with that intensity after they have been knocked around a bit by better O lines though. Savage played better. He needs to step it up every game.
I am going to give a dud to LaFleur for not seeing that Fred Warner started following Aaron Jones and adjusting his play calling away from him. And another dud to Pettine for 3 man rushes (we will get killed when he does that against a better QB, especially Wilson) and sometimes putting Preston way back into coverage.

Like everyone has said. It felt like 'no contest' from the beginning. The defense showed up but look who they were playing against.
I still don't have a lot of confidence in them. Maybe this will be a confidence boost for them.

I agree with the questions about the play-calling. There were a couple of plays that had me scratching my head.

I'm glad we won, but this defense really doesn't scare anyone.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I didn't think it was the style they penalized as much as the whistle blowing and him continuing.

It wasn't that penalty alone that got me worked. More so that he kept continually doing more hands to the face/holding on the receiver stuff that has been going on for a while with him. Lotta flashbacks to Ahmad Caroll, the worst CB in Packer history.

Jackson had one of those "body slam" penalties earlier in the season I think or maybe it was last season. Whether you like the penalty or not, its a penalty in the NFL and he seems to not understand that. Was it flagrant? Nope, but neither is tugging a jersey, hands to the face, barely touching the QB after a throw is competed, etc. He has so many other things to clean up in his game, that if he is going to be a liability for not remembering what constitutes a penalty, he won't be in the NFL much longer.

 

[Mondio]

Grabbing a facemask is dangerous, the reasoning behind the penalty is sound. They have let a lot of hands grazing facemask penalties slide recently after really cracking down on them for a couple seasons. they apply and use rules and change the enforcement every year. This is one of their more silly ones.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is one of their more silly ones.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that But, its a penalty none the less and he needs to understand that he can't do it. As we all know "I think that is a silly rule/law", will never win in the court of law or probably in the NFL either.

 

[gopkrs]

I thought I saw some potential in the practice squad rookie Henry Black.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I don't think you can read into last nights game too much. It's a shame though as Pettine stays for another week.

To comment on TE coverage... we haven't played a Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, Waller type talent there yet. It's no guarantee we're even average at covering elite TE's. The one time we played a remarkable talent, Gronk, he did what he wanted with our defense. Hockenson caught 100% of his passes against our defense.

I think good teams can throw to the TE and run on our defense. The question is can our offense keep up with these teams. I don't think so. The team is too similar to last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The team is too similar to last year.

That pretty much sums it up.

While the offense appears to be playing better under ****'s scheme, I fear they lack weapons at WR and TE to beat the good defenses/teams.

I also think their defense, despite having pretty much the same guys (less Martinez), are not playing as well as the defense did last year. Sacks, pressures and turnovers appear to be down. This team won't make it far in the post season, unless they stay very healthy and get much better play on defense and some development of younger receivers on offense.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

That pretty much sums it up.

While the offense appears to be playing better under ****'s scheme, I fear they lack weapons at WR and TE to beat the good defenses/teams.

I also think their defense, despite having pretty much the same guys (less Martinez), are not playing as well as the defense did last year. Sacks, pressures and turnovers appear to be down. This team won't make it far in the post season, unless they stay very healthy and get much better play on defense and some development of younger receivers on offense.

I think our only hope is home field advantage. And even then, if we were to make the Superbowl, a good team will embarrass us. Like, imagine a healthy Kansas City vs. our defense? Hill, Kelce, CEH would move the ball at will. We'll see what Henry does to us later in the year. My guess is he runs for 200 with 2 Tds. Baltimore and Pitts would probably beat us with ease as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think our only hope is home field advantage. And even then, if we were to make the Superbowl, a good team will embarrass us. Like, imagine a healthy Kansas City vs. our defense? Hill, Kelce, CEH would move the ball at will. We'll see what Henry does to us later in the year. My guess is he runs for 200 with 2 Tds. Baltimore and Pitts would probably beat us with ease as well.

In a "normal" season, Lambeau might give us an advantage, but with no fans, all we have there is forcing the other team to travel and play in elements that they may not be fully acclimated to. I think 80,000 fans are a much bigger advantage than travel and/or climate.

 

[Snoops]

Krys Barnes tested positive

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Krys Barnes tested positive

Really have to wonder how many that played in that game last night weren't already positive and now how many like Barnes will test positive. Could be a long 10 days ahead.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Jackson had one of those "body slam" penalties earlier in the season I think or maybe it was last season. Whether you like the penalty or not, its a penalty in the NFL and he seems to not understand that. Was it flagrant? Nope, but neither is tugging a jersey, hands to the face, barely touching the QB after a throw is competed, etc. He has so many other things to clean up in his game, that if he is going to be a liability for not remembering what constitutes a penalty, he won't be in the NFL much longer.

I didn't remember that, but you're probably right. It's... open to interpretation I guess in terms of style. Like I said, I think the penalty there was more that the whistle blew, and any kind of big hit once a whistle blows or a player is out of bounds is going to draw a penalty automatically.

But yeah, what I don't like about Jackson as previously mentioned is he's bad about his technique getting caught with those hands up high in the WRs facemask, or obstructing him with the hold. Carroll's time here was short lived because of that and I think JJacksons will be too at this rate.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Check that, I don't remember if the ref just said "personal foul", or preceded it by "after the play was over".

 

[gopkrs]

Really have to wonder how many that played in that game last night weren't already positive and now how many like Barnes will test positive. Could be a long 10 days ahead.

The NFL really has a unique opportunity to allow researchers to study these men that get Covid. They are really closely monitored and a lot of info could be gotten about symptoms, transferences, repeats etc. Slam dunk easy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The NFL really has a unique opportunity to allow researchers to study these men that get Covid. They are really closely monitored and a lot of info could be gotten about symptoms, transferences, repeats etc. Slam dunk easy.

If nothing else it will show you just how this virus works. Simply testing multiple times a week and then failing to social distance, wear masks and ignoring other medically proven protective measures, isn't a guarantee against catching or spreading it. Sadly, the NFL isn't the only place that this has already been shown.

 

[gopkrs]

If nothing else it will show you just how this virus works. Simply testing multiple times a week and then failing to social distance, wear masks and other medically proven protective measures, isn't a guarantee against catching or spreading it. Sadly, the NFL isn't the only place that this has already been shown.

They could probably come up with some very good info. Even on subjective stuff like "were you talking with others that were not wearing masks or masks around their chins"? Well, they are stuck inside anyway.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They could probably come up with some very good info. Even on subjective stuff like "were you talking with others that were not wearing masks or masks around their chins"? Well, they are stuck inside anyway.

While masks reduce the risk, they don't suddenly give you the super powers of protection or non-transmission. Even if the players wore them perfectly, which they don't (I was watching), that doesn't help them at all when they are playing. I haven't gone back to watch the film, but I assume Barnes was involved in some tackles before he left with an injury. The guys in close contact with him during the tackles are probably thinking that they will possibly be next to test positive.