Should The NFL Suspend Anthony Barr For The Play?

[PackAttack12]

It's football. Rodgers got hit. He got injured. It happens.

Good lord how is this a thread?

Where there's a packerfanincarolina, there's a way.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Where there's a packerfanincarolina, there's a way.

Yeah, I think he's actually trying to break the record for the most "disagree" ratings.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Where there's a packerfanincarolina, there's a way.

He`s just a bit wound up at the minute.

 

[AmishMafia]

I don't think it's like bounty gate, but I see where he is going with this. It's more like the battle for Iwo Jima. The WW2 battle without all the Japanese, guns and war ships. Other than that there was someone trying to injure someone else. Same thing.

 

[PackAttack12]

He`s just a bit wound up at the minute.

More like the past few weeks.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

More like the past few weeks.

Say`s the man who I once thought was ARs personal hitman.......lol

 

[PackAttack12]

Say`s the man who I once thought was ARs personal hitman.......lol

I always stay fired up about defending AR.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Vikings fan here. Sorry about your loss. I just wanted to say seeing the number of you fighting the idiotic idea that this is similar to bounty gate has raised my opinion of Packers fans. I still don't like ya but i'll drink a beer and watch the game with ya! Hope AR gets better soon.

I love my Packers but the game itself has to come first.

 

[Forget Favre]

My girlfriend and I got into a little debate over this.
She says that he could have avoided hitting A-Rod.
I say he couldn't. He had too much momentum already and Rodgers didn't let go of the ball sooner.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Are you on meds?

I think it's quite clear that he's not.

 

[Mijapi]

Here is an article I wrote on the matter.

Hits like Barr’s should be barred from the league

Hits like the one Anthony Barr laid on Aaron Rodgers in the first quarter of Sunday’s matchup at U.S. Bank Stadium have no play in today’s NFL.

Ten years ago, that probably would’ve been on SC’s Top Ten plays of the week. Ten years ago, however, the NFL wasn’t trying to crack down on player safety. Whether you believe it was a dirty hit or just ‘part of football’, the hit was malicious. I’m not saying Barr was trying to end Rodgers’ season, but there is no question that he was trying to hurt him.

That is a part of the game that needs to be addressed if the NFL is serious about player safety. Laying the hurt on a guy that no longer has the football should be a thing of the past, and that is exactly what Barr did. In that situation, you’d expect Rodgers to take a pretty stiff knockdown. Barr took that a step further in driving AR to the turf in a way that he would land with all of his weight on top of him. It wasn’t a play on the ball, and it wasn’t a ‘football play’. There is no question in that - it was a play on Aaron Rodgers. There was an opportunity to lay the hurt on himwithin the rules of the game, and Barr took it.

Should Anthony Barr earn a fine or a suspension for the hit? I don’t think so. I would never advocate punishing a player for something before telling them they can’t do the thing you’re punishing them for. It is the rules that need to be addressed.

Late hits on quarterbacks (or any player for thatmatter) should be part of the league’s player safetyreview process, and should warrant stiffer penalties. The position of a quarterback’s body immediatelyafter releasing the ball is the epitome of a defenseless player - and a defender has no reason to followthrough a hit in that moment, aside from the intent to cause physical damage. Any driving to the ground type of hit after a quarterback releases the ball should be penalized and then reviewed for possible disciplinary action.

I think the NFL should, and likely will review their policy on late hits during the off-season rules meetings. Not only is this an awful outcome for the Packers, but it will likely have an impact on the league’s revenues going forward as less people tune in to watch Packers games without their star quarterback.

 

[Mondio]

But they already did tell players they can't do that, in 2010 all players and teams got the memos. I quoted it earlier in the thread.

1. 1-Step Rule. Pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in passing situations. If a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already left the passer's hand before contact was made, unnecessary roughness will be called. The Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer's hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected. Once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher's first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to "drive through" or otherwise forcibly contact the passer. Incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered significant.



2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

 

[kevans74]

I absolutely hate the Vikings and I would rather have the Lions win the division but..

Perfectly LEGAL hit

 

[BrokenArrow]

My girlfriend and I got into a little debate over this.
She says that he could have avoided hitting A-Rod.
I say he couldn't. He had too much momentum already and Rodgers didn't let go of the ball sooner.

I will say he could have pulled up though. I don't think he could have completely avoided hitting him, but there was no need to completely follow through and drive him into the ground. Usually guys just give a hefty shove in that situation.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Someone mentioned it, but maybe after losses you should not post... You really go to the extreme and it isn't even funny.

Heck, he goes to extremes if we don't play a perfect game and only win by 10 points.

 

[Raptorman]

But they already did tell players they can't do that, in 2010 all players and teams got the memos. I quoted it earlier in the thread.

1. 1-Step Rule. Pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in passing situations. If a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already left the passer's hand before contact was made, unnecessary roughness will be called. The Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer's hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected. Once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher's first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to "drive through" or otherwise forcibly contact the passer. Incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered significant.



2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.

This is all well and good, but I am pretty sure this relates more to the the passer in the pocket not one running outside the the tackle box. If so, there are a lot of penalties not being called players hitting Cam Newton.

 

[kevans74]

I will say he could have pulled up though. I don't think he could have completely avoided hitting him, but there was no need to completely follow through and drive him into the ground. Usually guys just give a hefty shove in that situation.

nah...

I'm not defending the Vikings but...

This is the NFL... players are FAST and they HAVE TO PLAY FAST

I don't see how a 6'4 260ish pound linebacker who runs a SUB 4.5 40 can be expected to "stop/slow down" when he's trying to stop the best player in the NFL

Sure, hindsight is "he should have let up" but I guarantee you if AR doesn't get hurt that nobody complains

 

[Justin Luitjens]

The idea that we are going to make it impossible to hit the quarterback is horrible. If they do this then they need to add a 2 hand touch rule to the quarterback or say the quarterback cannot leave the pocket. With AR there is a 50/50 chance there that he doesn't throw it. If Bar let's up AR runs for a first down.

 

[kevans74]

I hate the Vikings more than any team

And I would rather have the Lions and Stafford win the division now, if not us but...

Barr is like 6'5 250-260lbs and runs a SUB 4.5 40-yard dash...

Do any of ya'll honestly expect that an NFL player playing/going at FULL SPEED to stop/hit the best player in the NFL could just stop on a dime or "slow down"...

I bet if AR didn't get hurt, no one would even argue that that was a PERFECTLY LEGAL hit. There was nothing wrong with it. You can't expect some huge professional athlete who gets paid to play at FULL SPEED to just slow down or "stop" all of a sudden and push or "let up" on the best player in the NFL, that's just retarded

So just stop with all this BS

 

[kevans74]

The idea that we are going to make it impossible to hit the quarterback is horrible. If they do this then they need to add a 2 hand touch rule to the quarterback or say the quarterback cannot leave the pocket. With AR there is a 50/50 chance there that he doesn't throw it. If Bar let's up AR runs for a first down.

pretty much lol

Some people need to take their homer glasses off...
Barr is a big guy he can't just all of a sudden "stop" or "slow down"

 

[JK64]

^^^Pahleeze, can you say excessive force? Unnecessary hit? If you think he wasn't trying to put Rodgers out for good, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[kevans74]

^^^Pahleeze, can you say excessive force? Unnecessary hit? If you think he wasn't trying to put Rodgers out for good, I have a bridge to sell you.

take the homer glasses off

If AR doesn't get hurt, no one complains

It's just bad luck for us lol

 

[gbgary]

i agree he couldn't have stopped but he could have let up some, maybe just pushed him. players do it all the time.

 

[JK64]

If AR doesn't get hurt, no one complains

Of course, no one complains, if the hit wasn't brutal enough to knock him out for the season. Unfortunately it was.

 

[kevans74]

i agree he couldn't have stopped but he could have let up some, maybe just pushed him. players do it all the time.

Yea he could have but you have to put yourself in Barr's shoes

This is a BIG dude going at full speed at the best player in the NFL

Yeah, hindsight is you/we wish he would have just "pushed/shoved" him down... but he had already been lowering his head almost concurrent with the release of the pass.

It's not like you can expect him to just quickly go "oh, AR just threw the ball maybe I should just raise my head up and let up" all going at FULL SPEED