Roster predictions

[Mondio]

at this point I see 3 QB's on the roster too. For whatever gap Kizer closed last week, I think it was undone last night. Unless Hundley is traded for a lower round pick to someone, I don't think Kizer has earned the back up spot at all. It was difficult for either QB to really sit in a pocket and run an offense last night, so it's tough to really tell without going back and watching every play and every player, but my initial reaction is Hundley is still the clear #2 of the Packers. I know that's going to excite people LOL

 

[JK64]

at this point I see 3 QB's on the roster too. For whatever gap Kizer closed last week, I think it was undone last night. Unless Hundley is traded for a lower round pick to someone, I don't think Kizer has earned the back up spot at all. It was difficult for either QB to really sit in a pocket and run an offense last night, so it's tough to really tell without going back and watching every play and every player, but my initial reaction is Hundley is still the clear #2 of the Packers. I know that's going to excite people LOL

Really, Hundley sucks. He had plenty of opportunities last year to show us something. I would rather see Boyle as backup because he has a better arm. What was Hundley last year 2-6? I'm pretty sure Boyle can do at least as well. Kizer can't throw very well either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Really, Hundley sucks. He had plenty of opportunities last year to show us something. I would rather see Boyle as backup because he has a better arm. What was Hundley last year 2-6? I'm pretty sure Boyle can do at least as well. Kizer can't throw very well either.

I don't think it will make any difference this season who the #2 or #3 guy is, if AR goes down we won't win enough games to be in the conversation. Given that Hunley's contract is up at the end of 2018, I really don't see the need to keep him, unless we are all missing something and he is "this close to turning the corner and becoming a solid starter". If you can get a 7th round pick or a pack of gum before cutting him, trade him. Both Kizer and Boyle seem to have more upside and I would actually prefer the Packers keeping Boyle off the field in the final game, which might make it easier to stash him on the PS. Play him and you run the risk of him having a great game and other teams interest in him perked.

IMO, keep Rodgers and Kizer and stash Boyle. Use the other roster spot on a player that has the potential to be someone other than a guy carrying a clipboard.

 

[azrsx05]

The Packers need to stop ****ing around with all these young qbs they try to develop When you've had Rodgers and plan on having him There is no need to develop some rookie you're going to either trade or let walk. They should just get a vet who has had actual game experience and has showed some type of success in short periods I've they would've had a vet last year, they could've salvaged games much better. You hope you don't have to use your back up qb in meaningful time during games, but if you do You want some one who has seen real life experiences. I get Kizer had his "experience" last year But definitely wasn't successful. Both him and Hundley look horrible and I would have no faith in them in real games

 

[Mondio]

Maybe it doesn't make a difference who or #2 or #3 is on this team, i'm just saying Kizer has not earned a #2 Job. I think it's been obvious.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers need to stop ****ing around with all these young qbs they try to develop When you've had Rodgers and plan on having him There is no need to develop some rookie you're going to either trade or let walk. They should just get a vet who has had actual game experience and has showed some type of success in short periods I've they would've had a vet last year, they could've salvaged games much better. You hope you don't have to use your back up qb in meaningful time during games, but if you do You want some one who has seen real life experiences. I get Kizer had his "experience" last year But definitely wasn't successful. Both him and Hundley look horrible and I would have no faith in them in real games

I have been saying that for years, even in the Brett Favre Era. I think Wolf spoiled people into thinking you could develop QB's and make a profit on them. He did with quite a few, TT never found that magic formula. I get having one in the back room (practice squad) as your pet project, but don't leave one #2 on the depth chart on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations. Spend a few million on a seasoned Vet, not only is he probably going to be more ready when called on, he may be better support staff for the younger guy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe it doesn't make a difference who or #2 or #3 is on this team, i'm just saying Kizer has not earned a #2 Job. I think it's been obvious.

Sadly true, but neither has Hundley, so you go with who is the best option for 2018 and beyond.

 

[Mondio]

all things considered, as far as backups go, Hundley has not played that poorly this preseason. If we didn't have those stinkers of games in our minds from last year, most people would probably be happy with what he's done at back up and against starters for us.

 

[thequick12]

I didn't see much past the 1st quarter, but yes JA could be the solution to the problem. I know a lot of people are expressing "don't want to see him injured returning punts", but with what appears to be some depth at CB, I would take that risk to gain a roster spot for someone more deserving than Davis. I am seriously trying to think of the last punt returner for the Packers who got hurt returning punts? Meanwhile, we have had a whole slew of CB's over the last several seasons getting hurt playing CB. If JA can come close to producing the numbers Davis did returning punts, I am fine with any additional exposure to injury.

Not sure he can be as good but he's just as fast and he made a few heady plays that Davis would never. Davis' bonehead fair catches inside the 10 etc never really hurt the team yet but eventually they will in a big spot. So even if Alexander doesn't avg what Davis did I'd take him. Heady play 1. Blocking the gunner so he couldn't down the ball close to the goal line making sure it was a touchback 2. Drawing an interference pentaly by beating the gunner to the spot and calling for the fair catch. (Even tho the flag was incorrectly picked up) Also good point can't worry about the injury thing it's football and Alexander seems much more physical than Davis anyways

 

[Dantés]

Not sure he can be as good but he's just as fast and he made a few heady plays that Davis would never. Davis' bonehead fair catches inside the 10 etc never really hurt the team yet but eventually they will in a big spot. So even if Alexander doesn't avg what Davis did I'd take him. Heady play 1. Blocking the gunner so he couldn't down the ball close to the goal line making sure it was a touchback 2. Drawing an interference pentaly by beating the gunner to the spot and calling for the fair catch. (Even tho the flag was incorrectly picked up) Also good point can't worry about the injury thing it's football and Alexander seems much more physical than Davis anyways

I don’t love the idea of exposing Alexander to injury on PR duty, but if you put that aside I agree that he is the easy choice.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t love the idea of exposing Alexander to injury on PR duty, but if you put that aside I agree that he is the easy choice.

You and a few others have brought this danger of punt returning up several times. I understand you are exposing him to more chances of being injured, since he is going to be on the field, but are there stats to back that returning punts is more dangerous than playing CB? I just don't remember seeing any Packer punt returners injured. Doesn't mean it hasn't happen, but if it has, can't be that often. I have read that there are a lot of injuries on kickoffs, but it never specifies the players hurt, is it the returner, blocker, tacklers, etc? A smart punt returner isn't going to field a ball when he has a defender baring down on him full speed, yes it happens but not that often. Also, how many punts are actually returned? If Davis was a quality backup WR, would he have returned punts?

Again, I can't find stats, but I can see why people think its a big risk to put a guy like Alexander back there returning punts, but is it really? Is that increased risk worth keeping an extra guy instead of keeping Davis to just return punts? Is it worth maybe having a guy who makes better decisions?

 

[Dantés]

You and a few others have brought this danger of punt returning up several times. I understand you are exposing him to more chances of being injured, since he is going to be on the field, but are there stats to back that returning punts is more dangerous than playing CB? I just don't remember seeing any Packer punt returners injured. Doesn't mean it hasn't happen, but if it has, can't be that often. I have read that there are a lot of injuries on kickoffs, but it never specifies the players hurt, is it the returner, blocker, tacklers, etc? A smart punt returner isn't going to field a ball when he has a defender baring down on him full speed, yes it happens but not that often. Also, how many punts are actually returned? If Davis was a quality backup WR, would he have returned punts?

Again, I can't find stats, but I can see why people think its a big risk to put a guy like Alexander back there returning punts, but is it really? Is that increased risk worth keeping an extra guy instead of keeping Davis to just return punts? Is it worth maybe having a guy who makes better decisions?

I don’t really know. Perhaps the coaches feel it’s not a significant risk. It seems like to could create opportunities for a guy to take some big shots. But if it’s Alexander, I won’t pitch a fit (like that would change anything). It would solve the PR issue and ease the jam at receiver.

 

[BrokenArrow]

at this point I see 3 QB's on the roster too. For whatever gap Kizer closed last week, I think it was undone last night. Unless Hundley is traded for a lower round pick to someone, I don't think Kizer has earned the back up spot at all. It was difficult for either QB to really sit in a pocket and run an offense last night, so it's tough to really tell without going back and watching every play and every player, but my initial reaction is Hundley is still the clear #2 of the Packers. I know that's going to excite people LOL

We know what we have in Hundley. He had 9 games last year to prove he can be a quality NFL backup. He failed miserably. I don't care what he does in preseason "games" (glorified intersquad practices.)

 

[BrokenArrow]

Not sure he can be as good but he's just as fast and he made a few heady plays that Davis would never. Davis' bonehead fair catches inside the 10 etc never really hurt the team yet but eventually they will in a big spot. So even if Alexander doesn't avg what Davis did I'd take him.

Davis's return average is inflated because he only returns the ball if he has a big cushion.

 

[SD Cheesehead]

Here’s my updated version. A few minor changes but overall I feel like we are getting a pretty good idea of where we are at.

QB: Rodgers, Hundley, Kizer 3

RB: Williams, Monty, (Jones: Susp 2 games) 2

FB: Ripkowski 1

TE: Graham, Lewis, Tonyan. 3

WR: Adams, Cobb, Allison, Kumerow, St. Brown*, MVS*, Moore* 7

OL: Bahktiari, Taylor, Linsley, McCray, Bulaga: Spriggs, Murphy, Bell, Patrick 9

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DL: Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Adams, Lowry 5

OLB: Perry, Matthews, Gilbert, Fackrell, Donnerson* 5

MLB: Martinez, Burks*, Beigel, Thomas 4

CB: King, Williams, Alexander*, Jackson*, House, Pipkins 6

S: Clinton-Dix, Brice, Jones, Rollins,

Whitehead 5

25


ST: Crosby, Scott, Bradley 3


Final Cuts: Kendricks, Davis, Day


Week 1 Inactives: Kizer, Donnerson*, Moore*, Beigel, Pipkins, Bell, St. Brown*/MVS*


Practice Squad: Yancey WR, Daniels RB, Waters CB, Looney DL, Boyle QB, Pankey OL, Day OL, Odom OLB, Martini LB, Byrd TE


IR: Ryan LB,

DNR: Madison*

 

[rodell330]

The Packers have one of the best starting offensive lines in the league, especially in pass protection. Unfortunately it seems the unit lacks quality depth.



It seems like Pankey and Day have moved up the depth chart during camp, therefore I would be surprised if Davis and Light make the roster instead of them.

It's all but guaranteed the Packers will keep at least three inside linebackers but in my opinion Ahmad Thomas has performed at a better level than Martini.

I prefer the team to keep Davis as a punt returner instead of Rollins with both not being able to contribute other than that.

They can’t stay healthy either. There isn’t one stud on the OL except Bahk. Imo the rest of the other guys are average at best. Linsley has potential.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They can’t stay healthy either. There isn’t one stud on the OL except Bahk. Imo the rest of the other guys are average at best. Linsley has potential.

Think you forgot about Taylor? Bulaga when healthy is a fine RT.

 

[rodell330]

Think you forgot about Taylor? Bulaga when healthy is a fine RT.

Meh haha. Fine and really good are different but yea...when he’s healthy ..which is never.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Meh haha. Fine and really good are different but yea...when he’s healthy ..which is never.

All about the almighty cap. We had to shed 2 really good guards, Sitton and Lang for cap and other reasons. Taylor I think has turned into a good solid player and while McCray and Pankey aren't great, I think the Packers would have been nuts to pay Lang what the Lions did (3 year $28.5M) and like Bulaga, he too is struggling to stay healthy and on the field.

 

[PackFan2]

v 2.0
Offense (26)
QB: Rodgers, Hundley, Kizer(3)
RB: Williams, Montgomery, Ripkowski, Bouagnon* (4)
TE: Graham, Lewis, Tonya(3)
WR: Adams, Cobb, Allison, Moore, St. Brown, Davis, Kumerow (7)
OT: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy (4)
OG: Taylor, McCray, Bell (3)
OC: Linsley, Patrick (2)

Defense (24)
DL: Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Lowry, Adams (5)
ILB: Martinez, Burks, Morrison, Thomas (4)
OLB: Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Donnerson, Biegel(5)
CB: Williams, King, Alexander, House, Jackson (5)
S: Clinton-Dix, Brice, Jones, Rollins, Whitehead (5)

Special Teams (3)
ST: Crosby, Scott, Triner (3)

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

God I hope there isn't no 3 QB thing on this roster. Keeping that Hundley sucko on this roster is a waste of depth.

Kick his *** out of here and give that depth to the OL or CB positions. It's ridiculous not to with those being our most injury prone spots.

 

[thequick12]

Offense 25
Qb 3 Aaron Rodgers Deshon Kizer Tim Boyle
Rb 3 Jamal Williams Ty Montgomery *guy from another roster
Fb 1 Aaron Ripkowski
Te 3 Jimmy Graham Mercedes Lewis Lance Kendricks
Wr 7 Davantae Adams Randall Cobb Geronimo Allison Jake Kumerow Jmon Moore EQSB MVS
Ol 9 David Baktiari Bryan Bulaga Jason Spriggs Kyle Murphy Lane Taylor Corey Linsley Lucas Patrick Justin McCray

Defense 25
Cb 6 Kevin King Tramon Williams Jaire Alexander Josh Jackson Davon House Demetri Goodson
S 4 Josh Jones Haha Clinton Dix Kentrell Brice Quentin Rollins
Ilb 4 Blake Martinez Oren Burks Ahmad Thomas Antonio Morrison
Olb 6 Clay Matthews Nick Perry Reggie Gilbert Vince Biegel Kyler Fackrell Kendall Donnerson
Dl 5 Kenny Clark Mike Daniels Muhammad Wilkerson Dean Lowry Montravious Adams

Special Teams 3
K Mason Crosby
P Jk Scott
Ls Brett Goode

Rollins makes it as 4th safety fo not ready to give up on him and he has special teams value

Goodson as 6th corner because of special teams over Hawkins and waters

Donnerson 6th olb makes it because of his immense potential both from scrimmage and on special teams

Kizer makes it as the number 2 because he has far more upside than hundley even though hundley has looked a bit better with his comfort and accuracy he has limitations that aren't going away

Boyle stays as 3 because he may give team best chance to win if God forbid the Packers have to use a backup. Just as taysum hill would have last season. And just like hill, Boyle won't clear waivers

Ripkowski makes it at FB over Pankey as 9th ol more because of special teams than play from scrimmage

And the 3rd RB to start the year will be a pick up from another team off waivers perhaps Chris warren. But whoever it is likely gets cut after week 2 for jones

 

[gbgary]

i want kizer as the #2. his qb rating is higher than hundley's (88/81) and he's had worse personnel around him. has a higher upside, faster, stronger arm. i'd rather see him run than see hundley run his favorite play...roll right-toss right-gatorade splash.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

God I hope there isn't no 3 QB thing on this roster. Keeping that Hundley sucko on this roster is a waste of depth.

Hundley has been the better of the two backup quarterbacks during preseason though.

Offense 25
Qb 3 Aaron Rodgers Deshon Kizer Tim Boyle
Rb 3 Jamal Williams Ty Montgomery *guy from another roster
Fb 1 Aaron Ripkowski
Te 3 Jimmy Graham Mercedes Lewis Lance Kendricks
Wr 7 Davantae Adams Randall Cobb Geronimo Allison Jake Kumerow Jmon Moore EQSB MVS
Ol 9 David Baktiari Bryan Bulaga Jason Spriggs Kyle Murphy Lane Taylor Corey Linsley Lucas Patrick Justin McCray

Boyle stays as 3 because he may give team best chance to win if God forbid the Packers have to use a backup. Just as taysum hill would have last season. And just like hill, Boyle won't clear waivers

There's absolutely no way the Packers keep Boyle on the 53. While he has a strong arm he isn't ready to win regular season games by any means.

i want kizer as the #2. his qb rating is higher than hundley's (88/81) and he's had worse personnel around him.

The Packers have to decide if they want to keep the backup quarterback currently presenting them with the best chance to win some games (Hundley) or keep the one with the higher ceiling (Kizer). Definitely not an easy decision for Gutekunst.

Once again, there's no reason to put any stock into QB ratings during the preseason.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Since the end of the Hundley Era:

QB - Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle

RB - Williams, Jones, Montgomery

FB - Ripkowski

WR - Adams, Cobb, Allison, Kumerow, Valdez-Scantling, Moore, St. Brown

TE - Graham, Lewis, Kendricks, Tonyan

OT - Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Murphy, Bell

OG - Taylor, McCray, Pankey, Patrick

C - Linsley, Day

DL - Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Adams, Lowry

OLB - Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Odom

ILB - Martinez, Burks, Morrison, Thomas

CB - Williams, King, Jackson, Alexander, House

S- Clinton-Dix, Brice, Jones, Rollins

K - Crosby

P - Scott

LS - Bradley



IR - Ryan

PS - Light, Martini, Sheehy, Hughes, Evans, Bouagnon, Greene, Byrd, Donnerson, Looney