Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Mondio]

Guys with minds like Rodgers think about things, it's how they're wired. He probably has more indepth conversations about the world in his own mind while he eats breakfast than most people have had in their entire lifetimes. I know people like Rodgers and saying "he's a complicated fella" is spot on. They think about everything, always. It's actually one of the things that makes him great on the field.

There are examples after examples after examples going back to the start where someone drops one, and Rodgers immediately goes back to them. I know why he didn't for some of these others, because they probably don't prove themselves in practice and they haven't earned that in a game either. Adams used to drop a pass early on and Rodgers would toss him 4 more until he caught one. he's done that with everyone, the guys that work. He doesn't quit throwing you the ball because you dropped one. It's for other reasons, right or wrong, but Saturday? I didn't see guys open that he was ignoring because they dropped one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wasn't just talking about Saturday nor just about not throwing/looking for receivers. His whole demeanor changes. I watched a good portion of the game again last night and Rodgers was all grins and smiles after that opening drive. As the game pressed on and things weren't going as well, you could see frustration and panic in his face.

 

[Mondio]

I wasn't just talking about Saturday nor just about not throwing/looking for receivers. His whole demeanor changes. I watched a good portion of the game again last night and Rodgers was all grins and smiles after that opening drive. As the game pressed on and things weren't going as well, you could see frustration and panic in his face.

I think that is normal for everyone all things considered.

 

[Voyageur]

I keep asking myself why people never thought of Dan Marino, with Miami, as a loser because he didn't win a championship. Then there's Jim Kelly, in Buffalo. Never got the big one either. How about Fran Tarkenton, with the Vikings? He never won one. He and Kelly 4 time losers? There are a lot more. It doesn't invalidate who they were as players, and it doesn't prove they weren't capable of winning it. It just means their team didn't win it when they played. Nothing has been lessened by it. They were winners.

By the way. All of the above are in the Hall of Fame. The following players have been the team's QBs when they won a Super Bowl, and are not in the HOF. In most cases, it's very understandable. They weren't that good, so their winning it doesn't validate their "greatness" any more than not winning it wouldn't.

Jim Plunkett won two Lombardis. Yet, he's not in the HOF. Some argue he should be because of this, but in the end, the total package isn't there. He will eventually get in. But, Mark Rypien, and Dilfer, Foles, etc.... All won the big one, and not in the HOF.

Personally, I don't think the number of Lombardis your team has won tells us too much about how good of a QB you really have been.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I keep asking myself why people never thought of Dan Marino, with Miami, as a loser because he didn't win a championship. Then there's Jim Kelly, in Buffalo. Never got the big one either. How about Fran Tarkenton, with the Vikings? He never won one. He and Kelly 4 time losers? There are a lot more. It doesn't invalidate who they were as players, and it doesn't prove they weren't capable of winning it. It just means their team didn't win it when they played. Nothing has been lessened by it. They were winners.

By the way. All of the above are in the Hall of Fame. The following players have been the team's QBs when they won a Super Bowl, and are not in the HOF. In most cases, it's very understandable. They weren't that good, so their winning it doesn't validate their "greatness" any more than not winning it wouldn't.

Jim Plunkett won two Lombardis. Yet, he's not in the HOF. Some argue he should be because of this, but in the end, the total package isn't there. He will eventually get in. But, Mark Rypien, and Dilfer, Foles, etc.... All won the big one, and not in the HOF.

Personally, I don't think the number of Lombardis your team has won tells us too much about how good of a QB you really have been.

I would like to know what percentage of the team cap does today's top QB's eat up, compared to those when the Cap first started in 94? I could be wrong, but it seems that the highest paid QB's are now eating into a huge portion of the teams cap. How long can a team stay competitive when that happens? Chiefs just paid Mahomes, what happens when his big cap numbers start hitting? $7M this year, $35M next. Bengals have a rookie QB and a standout rookie WR. They are going to do a lot of things, until those players need to get paid.

I don't really know where I am going with this, but given Rodgers is going to want to be the highest paid player in the NFL and Davante the highest paid WR, how the hell can you improve the team elsewhere?

 

[Voyageur]

I would like to know what percentage of the team cap does today's top QB's eat up, compared to those when the Cap first started in 94? I could be wrong, but it seems that the highest paid QB's are now eating into a huge portion of the teams cap. How long can a team stay competitive when that happens? Chiefs just paid Mahomes, what happens when his big cap numbers start hitting? $7M this year, $35M next. Bengals have a rookie QB and a standout rookie WR. They are going to do a lot of things, until those players need to get paid.

I don't really know where I am going with this, but given Rodgers is going to want to be the highest paid player in the NFL and Davante the highest paid WR, how the hell can you improve the team elsewhere?

That's the problem. Too few players are commanding too much cap space. If you're more diligent, and try to balance it, you end up a loser.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's the problem. Too few players are commanding too much cap space. If you're more diligent, and try to balance it, you end up a loser.

Agreed and lets see we have Rodgers, who at the time he signed, was the highest paid player in the NFL. Bahk....same...highest paid TE. Aaron Jones...top 7 in pay. Kenny Clark...top 6. Z Dog...top 11. Preston Smith....top 25. Amos....top 10.

Now we have Adams wanting to be the highest paid WR. Jaire no doubt wants top money and Gary will soon need to get paid.

No wonder we are in cap hell!

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Agreed and lets see we have Rodgers, who at the time he signed, was the highest paid player in the NFL. Bahk....same...highest paid TE. Aaron Jones...top 7 in pay. Kenny Clark...top 6. Z Dog...top 11. Preston Smith....top 25. Amos....top 10.

Now we have Adams wanting to be the highest paid WR. Jaire no doubt wants top money and Gary will soon need to get paid.

No wonder we are in cap hell!

Time to start drafting football players instead of athletes who want $$$

 

[Mondio]

They all want to be paid money. There isn't a single football player who's willingly playing for less than they think they can get and if they're a super star, you can bet your *** they're going to get paid like one from someone.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time to start drafting football players instead of athletes who want $$$

With success comes this problem.

Rasul Douglas is a great example. Is he really THAT good and deserves to be paid like a top 15 CB? Or was his on the field play a result of being on the right team, in the right scheme, with the right coach and teammates, at the right time? Someone is going to pay him a ton of money, will he be worth it?

 

[sschind]

The best Players get the most money. Unless you hit on a rookie who develops fast or a one year wonder like Douglas or Campbell you are going to be faced with paying top players top money. No doubt you have to have balance but that means you have to have some blue chippers too. I'm sure the team would love to have tier one talent playing at tier two prices but the players aren't going to go along with that.

So who is to blame. The teams for wanting the highest paid players (assuming that this means the best players which admittedly is not a given) or the players who want the most money. Or maybe its the fans who want the best team which means the FO has to sign the highest paid guys who want the most money because they are the best.

Some people point to the Smith contract's and say they are one of the reasons we are in cap hell. I would say perhaps but in their first year year here I would not be too afraid to say that they were a huge part of the reason we made it to the NFCC game. Not them alone of course but they played a critical part. People will say that we didn't need to pay Aaron Jones all that money when we had Dillon. I'd say Aaron Jones was a very big part of why we won 13 games this year. People say we are getting nothing in return for all the money we gave David Bakhtiari and while that may be true because of the injury you have to pay guys like that. Even those complaining about it admit that. So what are they complaining about. That our GM couldn't foresee injuries or that he didn't know a guy he drafted would be so good that maybe we wouldn't have needed to spend all that money to to keep David.

Are we in cap hell? Most definitely but why? Some would have us believe that we are in cap hell because the FO has their heads up their ***** and ran around willy nilly handing out blank checks to ****** players. In some cases that may be true but I prefer to think that we are in cap hell because the FO identified players, both from the outside and from our own who could help us win and they decided to sign or keep these players. Some of these guys were at the top of their positions and needed to be paid top money to gain or retain their services. When you need to pay top dollar to that many players it adds up quickly and when you only have so much to spend you are going to run short eventually. In a way I think its a good situation to be in. Personally I would rather be in a situation where I have so many really good players that I want to keep, even if it means paying them a lot of money, that I know it won't be possible to keep them all than to be in a position where I have a **** ton of money and nobody I want to give it to. Heck, if nothing else it means our opponents will have to spend more of their cap money to sign them away

 

[tynimiller]

The best Players get the most money. Unless you hit on a rookie who develops fast or a one year wonder like Douglas or Campbell you are going to be faced with paying top players top money. No doubt you have to have balance but that means you have to have some blue chippers too. I'm sure the team would love to have tier one talent playing at tier two prices but the players aren't going to go along with that.

So who is to blame. The teams for wanting the highest paid players (assuming that this means the best players which admittedly is not a given) or the players who want the most money. Or maybe its the fans who want the best team which means the FO has to sign the highest paid guys who want the most money because they are the best.

Some people point to the Smith contract's and say they are one of the reasons we are in cap hell. I would say perhaps but in their first year year here I would not be too afraid to say that they were a huge part of the reason we made it to the NFCC game. Not them alone of course but they played a critical part. People will say that we didn't need to pay Aaron Jones all that money when we had Dillon. I'd say Aaron Jones was a very big part of why we won 13 games this year. People say we are getting nothing in return for all the money we gave David Bakhtiari and while that may be true because of the injury you have to pay guys like that. Even those complaining about it admit that. So what are they complaining about. That our GM couldn't foresee injuries or that he didn't know a guy he drafted would be so good that maybe we wouldn't have needed to spend all that money to to keep David.

Are we in cap hell? Most definitely but why? Some would have us believe that we are in cap hell because the FO has their heads up their ***** and ran around willy nilly handing out blank checks to ****** players. In some cases that may be true but I prefer to think that we are in cap hell because the FO identified players, both from the outside and from our own who could help us win and they decided to sign or keep these players. Some of these guys were at the top of their positions and needed to be paid top money to gain or retain their services. When you need to pay top dollar to that many players it adds up quickly and when you only have so much to spend you are going to run short eventually. In a way I think its a good situation to be in. Personally I would rather be in a situation where I have so many really good players that I want to keep, even if it means paying them a lot of money, that I know it won't be possible to keep them all than to be in a position where I have a **** ton of money and nobody I want to give it to. Heck, if nothing else it means our opponents will have to spend more of their cap money to sign them away

Well put. I don't see any major gaffs present on this team they could have foreseen. Whenever well paid NFL players see their final years of their contracts it is usually because they are playing VERY well and a team chooses their services OVER the savings and release/cut/trade.

Shoot even Lowry this year earned his pay, not in 2022 is he worth paying the new elevated cost in his final year?
Same for Billy Turner in his final year...Amos....Z Smith...Preston....honestly the fact is the FO has hit exceptionally well on guys that made it ludacris to let go until forced to - which is now coming to the present day.

 

[Half Empty]

I'm sure that, as good as you might be at your job, you've screwed up before. Maybe not though.

Don't know what Crow does/did, but if he was paid what AR is, was being talked about as the best ever at what he did, and was expected to lead his team to the promised land, then I'd be fine with dumping on him for ******** up, particularly if he had a history of those things happening over and over.

 

[PackAttack12]

We

ummmm dude 1st I didn’t bring it up

2nd you seem to take this very personally… it’s about football opinions, not personal attacks or hurt feelings

Neither you nor I have a legacy here

You express your opinion I express mine, that’s how it works

YOU accusing ANYONE of taking something personally is absolutely hilarious.

 

[rmontro]

I watched a good portion of the game again last night and Rodgers was all grins and smiles after that opening drive. As the game pressed on and things weren't going as well, you could see frustration and panic in his face.

Probably not much different than the rest of us there lol.

Rodgers to Colts

Oh, please no. I'm in Indiana and I'd never hear the end of it.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Rodgers and Adams aren't joined at the hip. Gute could tag Adams and pay his 20 million salary by trading Rodgers which would save about that much in cap space. To get under the cap if the above scenario happens, means that Gute could get under the cap by cutting vetetens like Cobb, Z, Crosby, Lowry and restructure Alexander, Turner and Amos for much lower cap hits in 2022. Not sure that wouldn't result in a disgruntled Adams, but he played well in Rodgers absense in 2017. It wouldn't be fair to Love to trade Rodgers and then give him a gutted wr corp. It would make sense to keep Adams if Rodgers leaves.

 

[Voyageur]

The only thing today's players are joined at the hip with is money. The "team" thing is nothing more than a relic of the past.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The only thing today's players are joined at the hip with is money. The "team" thing is nothing more than a relic of the past.

Agreed. I doubt Adams and Rodgers are planning on saving on living expenses and renting a pad together.

Money has spoiled the game, at least for me. I wish all the players well in their after football lives, but I don't shed a tear for any of them when it comes to money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not the AP....just yet...but....

Aaron Rodgers named PFWA's 2021 Most Valuable Player

Aaron Rodgers was voted PFWA’s Most Valuable Player for the 2021 season

packerswire.usatoday.com

 

[AKCheese]

Time to start drafting football players instead of athletes who want $$$

Ummmmm you do realize this is what they do for a living? So if your boss says Go Go, we need you to take 2/3 of what you should be paid so we can spread more around to your less skilled co-workers you’d be good with that?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Ummmmm you do realize this is what they do for a living? So if your boss says Go Go, we need you to take 2/3 of what you should be paid so we can spread more around to your less skilled co-workers you’d be good with that?

I gave you a like, not that I liked what you said, but because I agree with it. Football is mostly about the money for the Players now. Why not? A team willing to guarantee you that you have enough money to take care of 20 families for life, just for scribbling your name on a line.....sign me up! I am not saying that I wouldn't take the money, I just think its ridiculous how much money is there.

 

[Voyageur]

I gave you a like, not that I liked what you said, but because I agree with it. Football is mostly about the money for the Players now. Why not? A team willing to guarantee you that you have enough money to take care of 20 families for life, just for scribbling your name on a line.....sign me up! I am not saying that I wouldn't take the money, I just think its ridiculous how much money is there.

Pay scales are pretty much structured coming into the league. Where it gets out of hand is in 2nd and 3rd contracts. It's always a question as to whether you're over or under evaluating the talent of a player when it comes to #2, and when it comes to #3, you also add the question of health, being able to play at a level to earn the big bucks.

The Packers went through that with Sherman. He began over paying marginal talent, to hold them, and we ended up in cap hell. We got out of that, and stayed out, until now. It is what it is. All teams have to find their own way of handling it. Let's just hope the Packer leadership gets it right, so we can move on as a winner, like they almost always have, in New England.

 

[AKCheese]

For the top guys yes, for guys who knock around for 3 or 4 years as a journeyman type guy it’s good money but not “set you up for life” money, then you have guys bouncing in and out and from PS to PS… not to mention the ones trying to make it but never quite catch on anywhere

 

[Voyageur]

For the top guys yes, for guys who knock around for 3 or 4 years as a journeyman type guy it’s good money but not “set you up for life” money, then you have guys bouncing in and out and from PS to PS… not to mention the ones trying to make it but never quite catch on anywhere

I've always asked myself how much money I'd need to earn for 4 to 5 years, to guarantee I wouldn't have to dig ditches for a living, after those years are over.

If I made $900k a year for 5 years, I'm quite certain I could set enough of it aside to set myself up in a money generating business that I could enjoy running without busting my balls. The biggest question, where I'm on board with exactly what you're saying, is guys who end up on the practice squads, and/or are camp fodder. Guys whose services might be needed, but aren't guaranteed, and don't carry with it the health insurance for after football, etc. These are the majority, and those who are left behind.

Life isn't fair. But, if they were diligent, they have a college degree that's already there, or within their grasp, so they should be able to do something productive. Then there's the fame, which lends itself to side money for personal appearances, signing sessions, etc. Side gigs that make them money.

I know one guy pretty well, who has made ten times as much money every year for speaking at events, signing gear, etc, then he ever made playing football, and he had nearly a decade in the NFL. It's all they have from the game, because the players of today don't give a rip about them, and do so little to insure there's anything from that big player pot going in their direction.

If there's one thing I'd say about "today's players," as a generalization, they're an "all about me" society.

 

[tynimiller]

I wouldn't need no 900K a year to be smart and set up where I could relax to an extent and answer to no one else work wise after 5 LOL