Rodgers Contract

[Mondio]

I'm sorry, if Rodgers wants input into personnel decisions, you give it to him. You certainly don't make him the GM but you definitely give him input into decisions. The ONLY reason the Packers have been ANY good for the last decade is because of Rodgers. Yeah, I get the average fan feeling like Rodgers should know his place and just "play" but those fans don't realize that Rodgers DOES know his place. He's the greatest QB in NFL history and some team will meet whatever demands he wants. So what if the team ends up wasting $5-6 million a year in bad contracts, the alternative is saving that money and spending it on Kirk Cousins! There is a reason that slightly above average QBs demand top-5-in-the-NFL money, QBs make the NFL's world go round. People complain about spoiled Packers fans who are unhappy with only one Super Bowl during Rodgers' career thus far; the more spoiled are those fans that are willing to let Rodgers walk, just blithely assuming the team will get another decent QB under center.

No you don't,
No he's not
and any team giving in to any thing any player demands is preparing to lose.

A player hasn't been involved in FO decisions since the days of Curly Lambeau, and those are long past and for good reason. The only thing giving Brett Favre his own locker room was make him less of a team player, imagine the inside of a locker room when you know your QB gets a say on if you stay or go LOL. then imagine the respect the coaches and guys in charge who aren't really in charge will have from everyone around them to do their jobs. Rodgers isn't getting input, Tom Brady doesn't get that input, Peyton Manning didn't get a say, Brees doesn't get a say, and they won't in the future either.

 

[PackerDNA]

I'm wondering what's up with Rodgers. First he says he wants to play into his 40's and have his entire career with the Packers, and "give them reason to keep him around". Now this opt out/control stuff. Jeckyll and Hyde stuff.

 

[PackerDNA]

No you don't,
No he's not
and any team giving in to any thing any player demands is preparing to lose.

A player hasn't been involved in FO decisions since the days of Curly Lambeau, and those are long past and for good reason. The only thing giving Brett Favre his own locker room was make him less of a team player, imagine the inside of a locker room when you know your QB gets a say on if you stay or go LOL. then imagine the respect the coaches and guys in charge who aren't really in charge will have from everyone around them to do their jobs. Rodgers isn't getting input, Tom Brady doesn't get that input, Peyton Manning didn't get a say, Brees doesn't get a say, and they won't in the future either.

Mondio, you've pretty much nailed it . Giving Rodgers or any player such say/ control would be an invitation to disaster on multiple levels.

 

[gbgary]

well...that's what ignoring "all-in" get you. "thanks ted." lol. another rumor is he may want a cap-adjusted contract. when the cap goes up he gets an automatic raise. remember...only one team has won a sb with a qb salary hit of more than 11% of the cap (sf/steve young). Rodgers will be pushing 19%+...and he'll be 35 in dec. on the say-in-personnel question...no way.

 

[XPack]

It's just an opt out option. Give it to him.

 

[swhitset]

It's just an opt out option. Give it to him.

I see no reason for teams to give these top players all of this money without some kind of guarantee that they will have them locked in for a set amount of time. Yes it's true that a team can cut a player before the end of their contract, but that is what guaranteed money in the form of signing bonuses etc.. is for... What incentive do the Packers have to even bother giving Rodgers a new contract if he can opt out of it. he is currently under contract for 2 more years and can be franchise tagged for an additional 2.... If he continues down this path... I'd let him walk after that. By then he'll be what? 38-39?

 

[Dantés]

his current deal hamstrings the Packers. can you imagine the next? wow!

In terms of % of total cap, his next deal is likely to be close to his last one.

His last deal averaged 22M and was signed in 2013 when the cap ceiling was 123M. That’s 17.8%.

If his next deal averages, say 32M, then it will be 18% of the 177M total salary cap.

Of course having one player making 18% means you’re limited in other areas, but it’s basically the exact same situation. The hand wringing is silly.

 

[Dantés]

It's just an opt out option. Give it to him.

That eliminates the value of the contract for the team. The whole idea is that the player gets longer term security while the team has a chance to get plus value as the cap continues to rise. If he insists on getting a new deal every time a QB signs an extension, screw that noise. Just tag him three times and then move on.

 

[Dantés]

Hopefully this just results in a shorter deal. 2-3 years long. Then he can hit the market again if he’s still got it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have no intention of tracking who is thinking what in here, but so many varying thoughts and a wide range of them, on a guy who may go down as one of the best Packer Players of all times....and probably guaranteed to, if he ends his career in GB.

1. Redo his contract now, give him anything he wants, he's the GOAT.
2. Trade him now, while he is a valuable trade commodity, the team can't afford him.
3. Wait longer, see how is arm looks and than lock him up to end his career here.
4. Make him play his contract out and then franchise him for 1-2 years.

Did I miss any?

Personally, I hope he plays for another 6+ years as a Packer. But I am in no hurry to redo his contract, nor would I give him everything he is rumored to be wanting. Love him as a Packer, but this is a huge business decision and one that if the Packers aren't smart on, could set the franchise back quite a few years.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Another way to look at giving Rodgers more say in the team, who's to say they'll listen.

Imagine Rodgers coming to practice some day before a big game and announcing : "Ok this is bullshlt, I out of here."

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

I have no intention of tracking who is thinking what in here, but so many varying thoughts and a wide range of them, on a guy who may go down as one of the best Packer Players of all times....and probably guaranteed to, if he ends his career in GB.

1. Redo his contract now, give him anything he wants, he's the GOAT.
2. Trade him now, while he is a valuable trade commodity, the team can't afford him.
3. Wait longer, see how is arm looks and than lock him up to end his career here.
4. Make him play his contract out and then franchise him for 1-2 years.

Did I miss any?

Personally, I hope he plays for another 6+ years as a Packer. But I am in no hurry to redo his contract, nor would I give him everything he is rumored to be wanting. Love him as a Packer, but this is a huge business decision and one that if the Packers aren't smart on, could set the franchise back quite a few years.

Great post and some ways the front office will have to view his contact sooner of later.

 

[Dantés]

I have no intention of tracking who is thinking what in here, but so many varying thoughts and a wide range of them, on a guy who may go down as one of the best Packer Players of all times....and probably guaranteed to, if he ends his career in GB.

1. Redo his contract now, give him anything he wants, he's the GOAT.
2. Trade him now, while he is a valuable trade commodity, the team can't afford him.
3. Wait longer, see how is arm looks and than lock him up to end his career here.
4. Make him play his contract out and then franchise him for 1-2 years.

Did I miss any?

Personally, I hope he plays for another 6+ years as a Packer. But I am in no hurry to redo his contract, nor would I give him everything he is rumored to be wanting. Love him as a Packer, but this is a huge business decision and one that if the Packers aren't smart on, could set the franchise back quite a few years.

Yes, you did miss one .

I want them to compromise. No “out clause,” but give him top money on a shorter deal so he can have another shot at a big contract. 3 years, ~100M, mostly guaranteed.

 

[swhitset]

Yes, you did miss one .

I want them to compromise. No “out clause,” but give him top money on a shorter deal so he can have another shot at a big contract. 3 years, ~100M, mostly guaranteed.

what would really be the point in a 3 year deal?. .. unless you mean added on to the two he is already under contract for...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

what would really be the point in a 3 year deal?. .. unless you mean added on to the two he is already under contract for...

Fully agree, that would just be adding 1 year and come at a huge cost! I think he did mean 5 years total though.

I'm still struggling with the whole "It's AR, we have to make him happy". Yes, we do, but he also should fully realize he is still under contract for 2 years at a bargain for the Packers. I didn't see Clay, Cobb and Perry lining up at Gute's office door saying "we are under contract and being overpaid, we need less money for the remainder of that contract".

 

[Dantés]

The bottom line is that Rodgers has no leverage. He’s under team control basically for the next 5 years, given that they could tag him 3 times. Not that they should go that route, but it’s on the table. So he realistically can’t threaten anything accept holding out and not playing football. He may want a series of player options, but he isn’t going to get them.

 

[rmontro]

He's the greatest QB in NFL history and some team will meet whatever demands he wants.

He may be at the point where he just wants his money, but those demands might also include putting a winning team around him. As we saw last year, when Rodgers got hurt, the strength of the supporting cast is questionable. Which led to some offseason changes. Green Bay has had a reputation for having a good football organization - at least since the days of Ron Wolf. That reputation took a little tarnishing last year, so I hope the offseason changes will be successful.

Compare Rodgers with the kind of power that NBA superstars have, and it isn't much. LeBron James practically runs the Cavaliers, or comes about as close to it as he can. I'm cool with keeping Rodgers out of the front office decision making process, but if you do that you'd better make damn sure you're making good decisions. Brady doesn't have much power with Belichick, but Robert Kraft (NE's owner) has his back, so he does have some influence.

I'd just really like to know the reason Rodgers wants this opt out option. Is it the principal of the thing (the team has it, so should I)? Does he want the option of getting more money down the line? Does he want to leave the team if he unhappy? Maybe he thinks having that option will force the front office to listen to him, or at least take his opinion into account.

 

[sschind]

As much as I love watching Rodgers play and the Packers win... personally, I hope they do not give in to that demand. Even if it means eventually losing him. Setting that precedent does not seem to be in the best interest of teams in the long run.

I'm growing more and more tired of the NFL every day. Because of my work schedule I already miss several Packer games a year and I can't recall the last time I sat and watched a game if I wasn't waiting for the Packers to start or they just finished. If the Packers don't play on Sunday I probably don't watch football on Sunday and I can't recall the last prime time game I watched where the Packers were not involved. Players are making ridiculous demands. Owners are making ridiculous amounts of money. Fans are paying for it and its almost to the point where I don't care for any of it any more. Eventually we won't have Aaron Rodgers anymore and we may or we may not suck for a long time. I don't want it to happen sooner than later but some part of me really doesn't care. There are far more important things in life than the NFL. Give him his guaranteed contract with an opt out clause ... or don't. It won't affect me one way or the other.

I do sort of feel sorry for those who take it far more seriously than I do and all I can say is hope the bottom doesn't drop out until I can unload my Packer memorabilia collection this fall. I'll still hang around and make my usual comments because I'm kind of addicted to it but some day this to shall come to pass.

I should add that all the media does is come up with "reports from people with inside information" to stir the pot and work the fans up. I haven't seen anything on this site about Ha Ha Clinton Dix not being at OTAs but one reporter says its because he wants a new contract and several fans on another site are already saying cut the greedy SOB. If I could just bring myself to watch 3 hours worth of a football game every week and ignore the rest I would probably be fine.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm growing more and more tired of the NFL every day. Because of my work schedule I already miss several Packer games a year and I can't recall the last time I sat and watched a game if I wasn't waiting for the Packers to start or they just finished. If the Packers don't play on Sunday I probably don't watch football on Sunday and I can't recall the last prime time game I watched where the Packers were not involved. Players are making ridiculous demands. Owners are making ridiculous amounts of money. Fans are paying for it and its almost to the point where I don't care for any of it any more. Eventually we won't have Aaron Rodgers anymore and we may or we may not suck for a long time. I don't want it to happen sooner than later but some part of me really doesn't care. There are far more important things in life than the NFL. Give him his guaranteed contract with an opt out clause ... or don't. It won't affect me one way or the other.

I do sort of feel sorry for those who take it far more seriously than I do and all I can say is hope the bottom doesn't drop out until I can unload my Packer memorabilia collection this fall. I'll still hang around and make my usual comments because I'm kind of addicted to it but some day this to shall come to pass.

I should add that all the media does is come up with "reports from people with inside information" to stir the pot and work the fans up. I haven't seen anything on this site about Ha Ha Clinton Dix not being at OTAs but one reporter says its because he wants a new contract and several fans on another site are already saying cut the greedy SOB. If I could just bring myself to watch 3 hours worth of a football game every week and ignore the rest I would probably be fine.

Well said. When it comes down to it, its just a game. The world doesn't really get any better because it is being played.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It's just an opt out option. Give it to him.

The Packers shouldn't consider offering Rodgers an opt-out clause by any means as the team would risk losing him under that scenario while currently being all but guaranteed to have him at least for another four seasons.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I read it's a clause in Tracy that as soon as someone passes him in salary, he gets a raise to match, or they forfeit his contract...

Basicly he wants to be the highest paid qb in the league, as long as he is in it... that seems not only fair, but a good way to make sure he doesn't end up in the same boat he is in now. .

Barry Sanders, megaton both seemed to want out of their dictating situations. And went so far as to "retire on top" to do it...

#12 just watched his gf retire..... don't go pushing him out the door playing leverage games...

 

[swhitset]

I read it's a clause in Tracy that as soon as someone passes him in salary, he gets a raise to match, or they forfeit his contract...

Basicly he wants to be the highest paid qb in the league, as long as he is in it... that seems not only fair, but a good way to make sure he doesn't end up in the same boat he is in now. .

Barry Sanders, megaton both seemed to want out of their dictating situations. And went so far as to "retire on top" to do it...

#12 just watched his gf retire..... don't go pushing him out the door playing leverage games...

I don't know how I feel about that... but I do know that he is wearing me down. As much as I like watching him play... I'm not sure I care as much as I used to.

 

[Spanky]

If I was the GM and Rodgers wants to come up with asinine contract demands, I'm going with the 2 years left on his contract and franchising AR for 2 years. By that time AR will be 39 and I move on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Basicly he wants to be the highest paid qb in the league, as long as he is in it... that seems not only fair, but a good way to make sure he doesn't end up in the same boat he is in now. .

The fatal logic with that is that it assumes that AR SHOULD be the highest paid QB as long as he is playing. Now maybe he will be the best for the next 2-4 years, but nobody should be guaranteed to be paid like the best.

How about the Packers add the clause, "if you don't play like the best QB, your pay for that season will be equal to the pay of the QB that matched your stats"?

Favre had his idiosyncrasies about "should I or shouldn't I keep playing", but he loved the game and never gave me the impression it was all about the money. If AR is really asking for an opt out and to forever be paid as the top player in the NFL, I wanna know if Favre can still suit up.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I read it's a clause in Tracy that as soon as someone passes him in salary, he gets a raise to match, or they forfeit his contract...

Basicly he wants to be the highest paid qb in the league, as long as he is in it... that seems not only fair, but a good way to make sure he doesn't end up in the same boat he is in now.

The Packers shouldn't guarantee Rodgers being the highest paid quarterback over the entire course of the next contract he signs with the team. While he deserves to be rewarded with a deal like that at the moment there's no way to predict he will continue to be the best quarterback in the league for another couple seasons.