Reggie Begelton Thread

[tynimiller]

Few discussions popping up in other threads, I deemed a thread worthy as we progress into next year with him...

Added on the futures deal recently Reggie will join the competition for a wide out spot.

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Details per cfl site and pro day workout for 5 NFL teams:

Height: 6-2 ft
Weight: 205 lbs
40 time: 4.53
Vertical: 39.5


Last year in CFL for the Stampeders: 102 receptions, 1,444 yards and 10 touchdowns. He averaged 14.2 yards per catch and 837 yards of that 1,444 being after the catch yards.

Now his first two years he essentially only played half the seasons however in his rookie year his stats trended towards 44 receptions, 600 yards, and 2 TDs with 300 YAC and his second year trended towards 50 receptions, 1,000 yards and 3TDs with 325 YACs (rough rounded projections)


My personal takes:

Obviously being from Lamar the NFL was tough to get interest in and it seems the way he hit the CFL running and quickly becoming one of it's best receivers in the game should catch anyone's eye...but at the same time let's remember this is the CFL not the NFL.

However, that said he isn't coming in here being asked to be the #1...and I personally think the staff isn't realistically thinking he will fight for the #2 spot. I see this as an INSTANT depth guy with more experience at the professional level than ANYONE in our wide out room not named Adams at the moment. I don't think it is too much to ask him to compete for that 3/4 spot on the chart.

Positives IMO:

Hands. Dude appears to judge the pinnacle of contact well on jump balls...but also exhibits ability to lay out and yet not lose his hands.

Strength. While not a dude that is gonna scare folks, for his height and weight his frame seems VERY solid and he can when wants win contact battles.

YAC...he cuts, he spins, he has a speed burst (not a burner though).

Promising traits...but not quite positives IMO:

Routes. His route ability from the little I can find on youtube highlights clearly isn't as sharp as it will need to be in the NFL...but I can tell you right now the dude is crisper and smoother than MVS is and I'd argue a step ahead of Lazard as well. This crafted with NFL coaches and a HoF QB you're working with will only improve.

Negatives...IMO:

Inconsistent at attacking...some plays it seems he literally is willing to try and make a hole...other times I swear he gives away 2-4 yards not fighting....is it situational to the plays I'm seeing, to the game or just bad examples...who knows. A worry of mine nonetheless.

Is not winning a foot race against many DBs in NFL...but many successful receivers are not burners.

Unknowns....kid has hit the big time...can he adjust, can he absorb....he clearly can catch, run and jump well enough, but is he ready for the big time????

Personal Prediction:

He takes some time obviously...but does make it through cuts and is on the 53. By season's end is a viable 4th option playing primarily behind Adams/Lazard/WR not on team at the moment. He and EQ are duking it out for playing time. I'll predict a 32 reception/ 405 yards / 135 YAC / 3 TD year from him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would love to think that this guy will make the team and be a contributor. I just can't get too excited about a CFL guy. Legit question, how many of them make it in the NFL each year? That isn't to say that Reggie won't, but there are usually reasons that guys end up in the leagues outside of the NFL and never are able to make the jump.

Hope he surprises me.


My burning question with the WR group is Ryan Grant. Why did we sign him? Why didn't he play? Will they resign him?

 

[XPack]

Who?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who?

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[XPack]

Just didn't realize he's that special to warrant his own thread.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just didn't realize he's that special to warrant his own thread.

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[Mondio]

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the good 'ol days. I remember getting a Cheech and Chong cassette tape that my cousin made. "hey man it's dave, open up I got the stuff" Sgt. Stedenko, Sister Mary Elephant, the Basketball Jones and learned about making really cool table candles while playing Black Sabbath on 78 speed, man. I ruled junior high with that stuff. Now nobody knows what i'm talking about, which makes it even more funny because my nieces and nephews think i'm making up my own stuff LOL

 

[Heyjoe4]

the good 'ol days. I remember getting a Cheech and Chong cassette tape that my cousin made. "hey man it's dave, open up I got the stuff" Sgt. Stedenko, Sister Mary Elephant, the Basketball Jones and learned about making really cool table candles while playing Black Sabbath on 78 speed, man. I ruled junior high with that stuff. Now nobody knows what i'm talking about, which makes it even more funny because my nieces and nephews think i'm making up my own stuff LOL

Who could forget Basketball Jones? No one over 60!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

the good 'ol days. I remember getting a Cheech and Chong cassette tape that my cousin made. "hey man it's dave, open up I got the stuff" Sgt. Stedenko, Sister Mary Elephant, the Basketball Jones and learned about making really cool table candles while playing Black Sabbath on 78 speed, man. I ruled junior high with that stuff. Now nobody knows what i'm talking about, which makes it even more funny because my nieces and nephews think i'm making up my own stuff LOL

I had a college roomie that introduced me to Cheech and Chong. We used to sit up til all hours of the night, listening to them and filling the air with a smoky substance. Still one of my favorites is a little diddy called Tactical Womans Alert Team.....I will let you spell out the acronym and find it on YouTube, but guessing that you have heard it already.

 

[mongoosev]

we would listen to Earache My Eye all the time in high school. Good times!

Back to what I wanted to ask is how good are these CFL players. Could they transition to the NFL? This guy is not young and how many years do we need for him to get used to the US league?

 

[Mondio]

we would listen to Earache My Eye all the time in high school. Good times!

Back to what I wanted to ask is how good are these CFL players. Could they transition to the NFL? This guy is not young and how many years do we need for him to get used to the US league?

I think he has a long road. I mean, they get running starts at the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. I think they only need 1 foot in bounds. There are probably a lot of little nuance that get's lost between the leagues. I think a lot of guys can get open with a head of steam at the LOS, it takes a special talent like Adams to shake like that from a stand still at the LOS and get open. He's going to have some of the later in the NFL. Best you can do here is run lateral to the LOS at the snap and that's different.

The awareness to need 2 feet over one is a big difference. He was wide open on a lot of those highlights, but he did make quite a few contested catches too, so there is ability there. I'm not going to make any guesses other than there is going to be opportunity here to earn a spot and he's going to have to learn a lot to take advantage.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I like the highlight tape and I like that Gute has been keeping an outside the box approach to talent acquisition. I want to see how he does in camp and preseason, if he lasts that long with the team. Being realistic, WR's who obliterate the competition in the CFL often do nothing in the NFL (Andy Fantuz, Duron Carter being prime examples). In order to catch on here he'll likely need to fill a niche we don't have, being a YAC monster/slot specialist.

 

[melvin dangerr]

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I’ve got to learn to paste stuff, working on my computer skills

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’ve got to learn to paste stuff, working on my computer skills

Pretty simple. I use an image host storage site called "Imgur". Just type imgur.com and set up a free account. Once you do that, you can save any internet image to your computer and then drag it from your folder to Imgur. There it will be uploaded and saved for you to be able to edit or link to it from a sight like this. When you click on your saved image in imgur, you will see 7 ways to link to it. For this site, click on "copy" for "BBCode (message boards & forums)". Then past that link to your post here and you have it.

Sizing them is pretty important. Probably don't want to go over 300X300 or it will be huge and kind of annoying. Just my personal preference.

Feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions.

 

[Guacamole]

is there anything this guy cant catch?

 

[melvin dangerr]

Pretty simple. I use an image host storage site called "Imgur". Just type imgur.com and set up a free account. Once you do that, you can save any internet image to your computer and then drag it from your folder to Imgur. There it will be uploaded and saved for you to be able to edit or link to it from a sight like this. When you click on your saved image in imgur, you will see 7 ways to link to it. For this site, click on "copy" for "BBCode (message boards & forums)". Then past that link to your post here and you have it.

Sizing them is pretty important. Probably don't want to go over 300X300 or it will be huge and kind of annoying. Just my personal preference.

Feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions.

Thank you

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

is there anything this guy cant catch?

Highlight reels, especially of WR's are often times very impressive, but as we all know, they don't always translate to being a great WR in the NFL. If the Packers were a CFL team, I would be really excited to be getting Begelton, because I would expect to see a lot of the same that I see in those highlights. But the CFL and the NFL are two very different leagues and while there have been some players that make the transition and play well, for the most part, not so much. I hope Begelton is a CFL player that makes a big splash in the NFL, but I'm not banking on it.

 

[tynimiller]

This thread cracks me up! Some of the convos...man I love this place.

As for the skepticism I think as I've stressed there is far more validity in the skepticism than hopeful. However, out of our entire current WR corps I have more hope based on his skillset and experience than everyone but Adams and arguably Lazard.

Now if we grab a top flight WR in round 1 or 2 (or one that falls to 3rd) they pass him instantly....nearly any NFL Free Agent signing at the position as well should start above him as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

However, out of our entire current WR corps I have more hope based on his skillset and experience than everyone but Adams and arguably Lazard.

This statement, coupled with the fact that Lazard wasn't even on the Packers 53 to begin the season, is all someone needs to know about the talent level of the Receiving group that the Packers fielded in 2019.

Blame it on Gute, a new coaching staff, a new offense or even Aaron Rodgers, but .....

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[tynimiller]

This statement, coupled with the fact that Lazard wasn't even on the Packers 53 to begin the season, is all someone needs to know about the talent level of the Receiving group that the Packers fielded in 2019.

Blame it on Gute, a new coaching staff, a new offense or even Aaron Rodgers, but .....

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100% agree. It is nuts how having some awesome youth growing is huge...but the moment you don't have a #2 in front of them whether that be a stud younger guy or a veteran you just need a solid #2...and we did not and still don't.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

100% agree. It is nuts how having some awesome youth growing is huge...but the moment you don't have a #2 in front of them whether that be a stud younger guy or a veteran you just need a solid #2...and we did not and still don't.

The only palatable excuse(s) I can give Gute for the Receiving group he went with was "hope". He hoped that they all improved with playing time. Which is fine when you are in rebuild mode and not expected to compete for a trip to the Super Bowl. That thought might be "excuse #2" for Gute. Was he actually expecting to field a 14-4 team? Maybe not and he was hoping to use 2019 to see exactly what he had with his young group of WR's, 3 of which he drafted and build from there, while saving some bank and using draft picks on what he felt was higher needs.

 

[tynimiller]

The only palatable excuse(s) I can give Gute for the Receiving group he went with was "hope". He hoped that they all improved with playing time. Which is fine when you are in rebuild mode and not expected to compete for a trip to the Super Bowl. That thought might be "excuse #2" for Gute. Was he actually expecting to field a 14-4 team? Maybe not and he was hoping to use 2019 to see exactly what he had with his young group of WR's, 3 of which he drafted and build from there, while saving some bank and using draft picks on what he felt was higher needs.

While I don't think it was justified I think the hope and progression you wished would happen was MVS or Gmo would grow into that #2 role given their past seasons.

Sadly that was a hope that never panned out. I don't foresee Gute doing the same thing again. We will minimum sign one experienced veteran or spend a high draft pick on a WR

 

[Mondio]

The only palatable excuse(s) I can give Gute for the Receiving group he went with was "hope". He hoped that they all improved with playing time. Which is fine when you are in rebuild mode and not expected to compete for a trip to the Super Bowl. That thought might be "excuse #2" for Gute. Was he actually expecting to field a 14-4 team? Maybe not and he was hoping to use 2019 to see exactly what he had with his young group of WR's, 3 of which he drafted and build from there, while saving some bank and using draft picks on what he felt was higher needs.

There are ZERO successful teams in the NFL that don't rely on young players getting better. Not a single one and the teams that usually pay to fill with vets miss the playoffs and then go dark for a while. Every team must have development. it happens no other way. you can't fill every hole with a vet and a FA. with draft and FA, Gute brought 6 legitimate starters to this team in a single season.

It's fine to recognize a weakness, I think it's a little weak to expect more out of a single offseason from an NFL GM. 6 bonafide starters and none of our WR's got better and 1 was hurt before he got a chance. It happens.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We will minimum sign one experienced veteran or spend a high draft pick on a WR

I think we need to do both. 2020 should look something like this, with the last 4 guys competing for playing time:

• Adams
• Vet FA
• Lazard
• High pick Rookie
• MVS
• EQB

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

6 bonafide starters

I think THAT is where you and I will always disagree when it comes to that group of WR's. I am not using hindsight either, it was an observation that I made well before the season even started. Let's talk when the 2020 season opens and we can see how many of those 6 guys not named Adams are starters for the Packers or any other team.

I fully understand that you can't fill every position with Veteran players and that doesn't guarantee you squat even if you did (see Blake Martinez and the ILB state of affairs). What you can do though is not over rely and depend on too many of your starters having to improve during the course of a season, especially those that are unproven UDFA's or late round picks. If you don't see that was the case at WR, I can't explain it any other way. We saw that for years with TT at a multitude of positions (TE, RB, CB, ILB) and we all spent lots of ink in here talking and complaining about it.