Recent Head Coaching Changes Prove It's GB's Time to Move On

[Patriotplayer90]

The Rams have completely turned around their offense and have made their QB look like a completely different QB in ONE offseason. With no first round pick.

Teams like Minnesota have brought in defensive coaches, and now have young talent all over the field, and all key players on the offense were acquired under his watch. Atlanta has a lot of young athletic defensive players which were good enough to shut down this offense and that of NE (until the OC hung them out to dry) without their starting CB, and offensive pieces and a system which we makes them one of the most dangerous in the league.

There is just no excuse for this group anymore. Not only have we acquired a fraction of the talent that these teams have within the same time span, but defenses are clearly wise to our act on offense. We can't run, Rodgers looks uncomfortable and without confidence most of the time because there seem to be 2 defenders around every single receiver, and also a QB spy to keep him contained. And defensively, it is a mess.

I don't know who is responsible, but the talent just isn't coming in, and we aren't utilizing that which we do have on offense. We need a guy with a plan and finds players from all means necessary, not just a FA acquisition every few years and a solid guy or two in the first 2 rounds, if we are lucky, and not much else.

If you are fine with a playoff participation trophy each year, you will obviously scoff at this. But this complacency within the organization is aggravating to watch.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think McCarthy is fine as the head coach, but I think it's unquestionable that Capers and/or Thompson need to at least be on the hot seat, pending this season's results. McCarthy's unit for the most part has been elite over the past several seasons when the team has fallen short of its ultimate goal.

But the talent level, or lack thereof, on defense is just unacceptable. I'm willing to let this season play out and see what happens. Thompson went out of his element a bit to acquire some veterans that will no doubt prove valuable, but I'm still skeptical about the cornerbacks group. If Kevin King cannot emerge as a bonafide difference maker by the time January gets here, it's very likely that we could be looking at another disappointing season in which the team loses in the playoffs with a more than capable, above average offense, but an under talented, mediocre secondary which more than likely will be our downfall.

I've said it many times. The absolute last thing I'm worried about for this team is the offense. It will come around and it will be somewhere between above average and elite. The defense still remains a question mark, as it's been quite some time since its been capable of containing an opposing elite offense.

 

[Dantés]

LOL

 

[Patriotplayer90]

LOL

A guy who inherited a losing team just a few years ago has beaten us 3 times in a row. But I guess that's all because of grass, right?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A guy who inherited a losing team just a few years ago has beaten us 3 times in a row. But I guess that's all because of grass, right?

Maybe if we all start smoking some, things would look brighter?

Oh wait, that is what got Guion, Allison, Shields....insert name here......in trouble.

 

[Dantés]

A guy who inherited a losing team just a few years ago has beaten us 3 times in a row. But I guess that's all because of grass, right?

Teams turnover staff to try and get to where the Packers currently are-- a consistently winning team who is in the SB mix each year. TT/MM are not perfect. We can all point to mistakes and weaknesses. But to blow up what GB has going is a silly impulses borne out of absurd expectations. I mean, you're comparing the Packers to the Rams and Vikings... they haven't even done anything! We're supposed to blow up a winning program because of the early results of regime changes in Minnesota and LA? Are you kidding me? Then what team shouldn't blow it up?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Teams turnover staff to try and get to where the Packers currently are-- a consistently winning team who is in the SB mix each year. TT/MM are not perfect. We can all point to mistakes and weaknesses. But to blow up what GB has going is a silly impulses borne out of absurd expectations. I mean, you're comparing the Packers to the Rams and Vikings... they haven't even done anything! We're supposed to blow up a winning program because of the early results of regime changes in Minnesota and LA? Are you kidding me? Then what team shouldn't blow it up?

Teams turnover staff to find a QB like Rodgers and have the passing attack that he can provide. Nobody turns over staff to have a bad defense and no running game.

 

[Dantés]

Teams turnover staff to find a QB like Rodgers and have the passing attack that he can provide. Nobody turns over staff to have a bad defense and no running game.

They're looking for wins, playoffs and a shot at a ring.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

They're looking for wins, playoffs and a shot at a ring.

We win enough games to make the first round of the playoffs, as does nearly 40% of the league. It only takes the QB who has the highest QB rating of all time to get there. Aren't we special!

 

[OldSchool101]

A guy who inherited a losing team just a few years ago has beaten us 3 times in a row. But I guess that's all because of grass, right?

That and... they also have tremendous pad level

 

[Dantés]

We win enough games to make the first round of the playoffs, as does nearly 40% of the league. It only takes the QB who has the highest QB rating of all time to get there. Aren't we special!

What a pile...

2nd most wins in the league over the past 10 years and a 10-8 record in the playoffs.

They haven't lost in the first round since 2013.

Clean house! Lol...

 

[PackAttack12]

What a pile...

2nd most wins in the league over the past 10 years and a 10-8 record in the playoffs.

They haven't lost in the first round since 2013.

Clean house! Lol...

I get what you mean, things could be much worse, but damn man. Our quarterback has better overall playoff numbers across the board (any statistical metric you'd like to use) than the greatest playoff quarterback who ever lived and yet we can only go to and win a single super bowl?

Not saying clean house, but damn give this man some help.

 

[Dantés]

I get what you mean, things could be much worse, but damn man. Our quarterback has better overall playoff numbers across the board (any statistical metric you'd like to use) than the greatest playoff quarterback who ever lived and yet we can only go to and win a single super bowl?

Not saying clean house, but damn give this man some help.

All for it. Seems like the Packers did a lot more of that this offseason compared to previous.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

All for it. Seems like the Packers did a lot more of that this offseason compared to previous.

Explain....

 

[Dantés]

Explain....

They were far more active in adding veteran help to the roster than what has been normal for them in years previous.

 

[Dblbogey]

A guy who inherited a losing team just a few years ago has beaten us 3 times in a row. But I guess that's all because of grass, right?

I think Capers should have been gone 4 years ago. McCarthy kept that incompetent special teams coach, Slocum, forever, he's kept Capers despite questionable competence and lousy results. McCarthy seems to be a slow learner. I'd fire Capers at year's end, nudge TT out after one more draft. Get the right guy at G.M. and then we can all start second guessing someone besides TT.

 

[AmishMafia]

What a pile...

2nd most wins in the league over the past 10 years and a 10-8 record in the playoffs.

They haven't lost in the first round since 2013.

Clean house! Lol...

2nd most wins. We should be first. Patriots lost, I'm sure Belicheck is on the hot seat as well. We can bring him in when he gets canned after his next loss.

Not sure who we will replace Belicheck once he loses a game . . .

 

[swhitset]

We win enough games to make the first round of the playoffs, as does nearly 40% of the league. It only takes the QB who has the highest QB rating of all time to get there. Aren't we special!

if I'm not mistaken they were one of 4 teams left last year .... my math says only 12.5% of the league made it that far. They did the same in 2014. While the losses in those Championship games were disappointing, I think you are exaggerating your case.

 

[armand34]

I totally get the impatience of the post, I reciprocate the need for change at some level. Our defense has improved at a Snail's pace from the debacle of a defense in 2011.

There's a clear difference in how fast the Broncos, Seattle, Ravens, Giants have built their defense compared to the Packers over that time (7 seasons!!!). Yea, let's just keep the snail's pace going, we're just happy to win a playoff game a year. That's all we want.

 

[swhitset]

if I'm not mistaken they were one of 4 teams left last year .... my math says only 12.5% of the league made it that far. They did the same in 2014. While the losses in those Championship games were disappointing, I think you are exaggerating your case.

lol pikebadger... what is optimistic about pointing out factual errors?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

2nd most wins. We should be first. Patriots lost, I'm sure Belicheck is on the hot seat as well. We can bring him in when he gets canned after his next loss.

Not sure who we will replace Belicheck once he loses a game . . .

2nd most wins, and how many SB appearances?

It is personal preference, but I think the goal should be having a team capable of beating the top dogs, instead of just beating up on mediocre to average competition throughout the year just to have an opportunity to get eliminated from the playoffs.

Most teams suck. We haven't because we've had Rodgers and an average team otherwise, which is good enough to have a winning record. But there are teams each year-Detroit, Miami, Houston, Washington, etc.-who clearly have no business being discussed as a SB contender, yet they get their shot in the playoffs. They need everything to go right for them and wrong for the other team to have a shot at getting to the SB, and that's kind of how it has been for us.

The fact that people are touting about Thompson finally getting veteran depth is ridiculous, since that is basically admitting that he hasn't been doing his job for the majority of this decade. He hasn't, and we have suffered for it by relying on his inexperienced, underwhelming draft picks when injuries have come up.

 

[Half Empty]

2nd most wins, and how many SB appearances?

It is personal preference, but I think the goal should be having a team capable of beating the top dogs, instead of just beating up on mediocre to average competition throughout the year just to have an opportunity to get eliminated from the playoffs.

Most teams suck. We haven't because we've had Rodgers and an average team otherwise, which is good enough to have a winning record. But there are teams each year-Detroit, Miami, Houston, Washington, etc.-who clearly have no business being discussed as a SB contender, yet they get their shot in the playoffs. They need everything to go right for them and wrong for the other team to have a shot at getting to the SB, and that's kind of how it has been for us.

The fact that people are touting about Thompson finally getting veteran depth is ridiculous, since that is basically admitting that he hasn't been doing his job for the majority of this decade. He hasn't, and we have suffered for it by relying on his inexperienced, underwhelming draft picks when injuries have come up.

I would first have throw a 'trying to' in there, but then I'd give TT props for giving it a shot. However, if we, I think reasonably, also add a subjective qualifier in there (i.e., just having veterans on the second or third tier of the depth chart doesn't count, they have to be competent), how many positions currently have veteran depth?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I would first have throw a 'trying to' in there, but then I'd give TT props for giving it a shot. However, if we, I think reasonably, also add a subjective qualifier in there (i.e., just having veterans on the second or third tier of the depth chart doesn't count, they have to be competent), how many positions currently have veteran depth?

Not many. But I give him a gold star for effort this off-season. McCarthy loves patting himself on the back and reassuring himself that he's special, and I'd presume Thompson is equally arrogant and stubborn judging by his actions, so I'm sure he can add it to the many gold stars he has awarded himself.

It was a decent effort this year. If he had been doing this say the last 4 years or so, we could have enough depth to this point to be more aggressive in the draft and go for some real game changers instead of making conservative draft choices who usually end up being depth. But we're trying to play catch-up and it's going to take more than that to compete for a SB.

 

[swhitset]

2nd most wins, and how many SB appearances?

It is personal preference, but I think the goal should be having a team capable of beating the top dogs, instead of just beating up on mediocre to average competition throughout the year just to have an opportunity to get eliminated from the playoffs.

Most teams suck. We haven't because we've had Rodgers and an average team otherwise, which is good enough to have a winning record. But there are teams each year-Detroit, Miami, Houston, Washington, etc.-who clearly have no business being discussed as a SB contender, yet they get their shot in the playoffs. They need everything to go right for them and wrong for the other team to have a shot at getting to the SB, and that's kind of how it has been for us.

The fact that people are touting about Thompson finally getting veteran depth is ridiculous, since that is basically admitting that he hasn't been doing his job for the majority of this decade. He hasn't, and we have suffered for it by relying on his inexperienced, underwhelming draft picks when injuries have come up.

Thompson is not a coach...I'm personally ready for a new Gm as well... however I'm not in favor of losing McCarthy....but... fire capers lol

 

[Dantés]

2nd most wins, and how many SB appearances?

It is personal preference, but I think the goal should be having a team capable of beating the top dogs, instead of just beating up on mediocre to average competition throughout the year just to have an opportunity to get eliminated from the playoffs.

Most teams suck. We haven't because we've had Rodgers and an average team otherwise, which is good enough to have a winning record. But there are teams each year-Detroit, Miami, Houston, Washington, etc.-who clearly have no business being discussed as a SB contender, yet they get their shot in the playoffs. They need everything to go right for them and wrong for the other team to have a shot at getting to the SB, and that's kind of how it has been for us.

The fact that people are touting about Thompson finally getting veteran depth is ridiculous, since that is basically admitting that he hasn't been doing his job for the majority of this decade. He hasn't, and we have suffered for it by relying on his inexperienced, underwhelming draft picks when injuries have come up.

It's a strawman to act like anyone is happy that they haven't won another ring to this point. But there's a whole spectrum of possible opinions between "clean house" and "totally satisfied." To pretend like it's binary is just to distract from the real discussion.

Green Bay is capable of beating top dogs. They do it every year. They just need to string together enough of those wins in a row to get back in the big game. They knock on that door every year. For many of us, it seems utterly foolish to get rid of the guys who have gotten them to this point. It's completely false that winning like this is automatic with Rodgers. Certainly he's the biggest piece of the puzzle though.

Thompson's job is to build the best roster he can. Philosophically, he believes in doing that via the draft more than just about anyone. Many fans, myself included, feel that he has needed to use FA more as a supplement for the sake of depth or plugging the odd hole here or there. But it's not like that's his whole job... to sign free agents. In fact, the GM's who act like that's their primary responsibility are some of the worst in the league.

He has done his job... to the tune of the 2nd most wins in the league, a winning record in the playoffs, and a championship. That's not perfect success, and he can do better in ways, but if you can't see that as a GM doing his job then you might be past reasoning with.