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<blockquote data-quote="Scotland Yard" data-source="post: 1010463" data-attributes="member: 5934"><p>Jones actually had 5.5 YPC in 2017 and 2018 under McCarthy. He's gotten that high once under LaFleur. I can't give LaFleur credit for Jones, he would have succeeded on any team.</p><p></p><p>I will certainly concede that LaFleur got a lot out of Rodgers/Adams and a veteran laden team in the regular season. But, his teams also collapsed in ugly ways in the playoffs, that is also a fact.</p><p></p><p>Convenient for you to just ignore rounds 3-through-7.</p><p></p><p>Just push aside:</p><p></p><p>2019 3rd round TE Sternberger</p><p>2020 3rd round TE Deguara</p><p>2020 6th round OL Runyan, Hanson, Stepaniak</p><p>2021 3rd round WR Rodgers</p><p>2021 4th round OL Newman</p><p>2021 6th round OL Van Lanen</p><p>2022 3th round OL Rhyan</p><p></p><p>Those are four misses in the 3rd round plus a 4th rounder on offense. This is why the offense is putrid now, too many washouts drafted on offense. If LaFleur could have found a way to coax something great out of just one or two of those six OL we're probably not having this conversation right here. Of course, maybe it's on Gute.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, Dillon is not getting better. Neither is Myers. Even UDFA OT Nijman is regressing. Is LaFleur coaching them up?</p><p></p><p>As for the spin about my emotional reaction or frustration, that is just your own egotism seeping out. You're saying my opinion of the current state of the Packers is emotional and therefore irrational. The inference being that you on the other hand are purely analytical and unemotional and therefore holding the more valid opinion. Hey, if you need to bring others down to build yourself up, who am I to argue. But, true emotionalism is hoping they way dedicated fans do no matter what. Perhaps such as yourself. Which is fine.</p><p></p><p>I simply say that youth alone is not good grounds for hope/optimism. And there are factors stated above pertaining to why they are so young, namely Gute/LaFleur failing to rear up previous players, that cause me to think there is a problem with drafting and growing NFL players in GB. Perhaps I am wrong, time will tell.</p><p></p><p>Finally, I expected this team to finish about 4-13 this season, so, frustration is not my mood, they are doing better than I expected.</p><p></p><p>I have no axe to grind and enjoyed the back and forth with everyone. Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scotland Yard, post: 1010463, member: 5934"] Jones actually had 5.5 YPC in 2017 and 2018 under McCarthy. He's gotten that high once under LaFleur. I can't give LaFleur credit for Jones, he would have succeeded on any team. I will certainly concede that LaFleur got a lot out of Rodgers/Adams and a veteran laden team in the regular season. But, his teams also collapsed in ugly ways in the playoffs, that is also a fact. Convenient for you to just ignore rounds 3-through-7. Just push aside: 2019 3rd round TE Sternberger 2020 3rd round TE Deguara 2020 6th round OL Runyan, Hanson, Stepaniak 2021 3rd round WR Rodgers 2021 4th round OL Newman 2021 6th round OL Van Lanen 2022 3th round OL Rhyan Those are four misses in the 3rd round plus a 4th rounder on offense. This is why the offense is putrid now, too many washouts drafted on offense. If LaFleur could have found a way to coax something great out of just one or two of those six OL we're probably not having this conversation right here. Of course, maybe it's on Gute. Anyway, Dillon is not getting better. Neither is Myers. Even UDFA OT Nijman is regressing. Is LaFleur coaching them up? As for the spin about my emotional reaction or frustration, that is just your own egotism seeping out. You're saying my opinion of the current state of the Packers is emotional and therefore irrational. The inference being that you on the other hand are purely analytical and unemotional and therefore holding the more valid opinion. Hey, if you need to bring others down to build yourself up, who am I to argue. But, true emotionalism is hoping they way dedicated fans do no matter what. Perhaps such as yourself. Which is fine. I simply say that youth alone is not good grounds for hope/optimism. And there are factors stated above pertaining to why they are so young, namely Gute/LaFleur failing to rear up previous players, that cause me to think there is a problem with drafting and growing NFL players in GB. Perhaps I am wrong, time will tell. Finally, I expected this team to finish about 4-13 this season, so, frustration is not my mood, they are doing better than I expected. I have no axe to grind and enjoyed the back and forth with everyone. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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