Prospects You Love

[Deleted member 6794]

at the 14 pick you have to go with an athletic big man....defense or even OL. big athletic guys are rare...they are gone half way through first round. i would never take a wideout...maybe j. jones thats about it. shoot for second round WR or CB.

I really like Arden key Edge has some injury concerns but if stay healthy could be good also like Joshua Jackson DB and I like queitin Nelson G for the packers first pick

With the Packers having a lot of needs at more important positions there's absolutely no need to spend their highest pick in nine years on an offensive lineman.

Of course not but it would be enough to move up in the first round to get a coveted player if need be. After seeing what Ryan Shazier did for Pittsburgh defense it might be worth it for the Packers to move up and secure Roquan Smith.

True, the Packers might be able to move up five spots in the first round by giving up their third, fourth and fifth rounders.

I read that every year, "we have to hit is big". A team is fooling themselves if they bank on that happening. It's great when it does, but even if it does, you probably won't see it for a few years.

The Saints had a monster draft in 2017 which paid dividends immediately.

 

[easyk83]

The Saints had a monster draft in 2017 which paid dividends immediately.

Well that it happens doesn't refute that one shouldn't expect a year like that. However Green Bay could could manage a significant improvement next year with a couple good picks and some found money from last year. Hopefully players like Jones and King make the same kind of second year jump that Clark made.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Saints had a monster draft in 2017 which paid dividends immediately.

I don't doubt that this is always a possibility, but the opposite has happened more often in Green Bay and I would guess for other teams, that being not seeing rookies making an immediate impact. All I said was that if the Packers are looking at 2018 as a year they want to compete for the Super Bowl, they shouldn't bank on improving the team immediately through the draft and should look to Free Agency to bolster those positions of greatest need.

 

[Dantés]

Jeremiah's Top 50 came out.

Some interesting takeaways:

• Tremaine Edmunds is his #3 ranked prospect, while Roquan Smith is #19.
• Denzel Ward, Ohio State, is by far the most highly ranked cornerback (#8).
• Marcus Davenport, EDGE, UTSA is a top 10 player for DJ.
• He rates four QB's in the top 14 picks (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen); Jackson is rated #43. If all five went in the top 13, that would be sweet.
• There are six running backs in the top 50: Barkley (#1), Jones (#12), Guice (#15), Michel (#28), Chubb (#49), and Johnson (#50).

I continue to hope that one out of Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Edmunds, Nelson, or Smith is there for the Packers at #14.

I'm really interested to watch more of Davenport and Ward.

 

[GleefulGary]

Jeremiah's Top 50 came out.

Some interesting takeaways:

• Tremaine Edmunds is his #3 ranked prospect, while Roquan Smith is #19.
• Denzel Ward, Ohio State, is by far the most highly ranked cornerback (#8).
• Marcus Davenport, EDGE, UTSA is a top 10 player for DJ.
• He rates four QB's in the top 14 picks (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen); Jackson is rated #43. If all five went in the top 13, that would be sweet.
• There are six running backs in the top 50: Barkley (#1), Jones (#12), Guice (#15), Michel (#28), Chubb (#49), and Johnson (#50).

I continue to hope that one out of Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Edmunds, Nelson, or Smith is there for the Packers at #14.

I'm really interested to watch more of Davenport and Ward.

I'm a huge Edmunds stan, but I gotta disagree on him over Smith.


I think there's a lot of good CB's in our range. Ward, Josh Jackson, Jaire Alexander to make a few. I would not be opposed to drafting one of them at 14. Pettine has shown he can get a pass rush from darn near anybody, but he's always had good CB's. Plus I think the Edge guys in the 2nd/3rd aren't that far down from what we'll have available at 14....unless Davenport is there.

I'm hoping for a Edmunds/Davenport/Jackson/Ward pick at 14. Maybe a guy like Leighton Vander Esch in the 2nd.

 

[GleefulGary]

Minkah Fitzpatrick is my favorite though. I hope through some miraculous way he drops enough for us to trade up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

• He rates four QB's in the top 14 picks (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen); Jackson is rated #43. If all five went in the top 13, that would be sweet.

It's going to be interesting to see how the QB's start dropping and IMO, this makes the Packers #14 pick even that much more valuable. We are sitting in a perfect position, one spot ahead of Arizona (#15), who quite possibly will be looking for a QB. If one of the QB's they covet is still on the board at #14, Gunt might be able to cash in on trading that pick to the highest bidder, who may very well even be Arizona. Even if that trade scenario doesn't happen, we may be looking at the highest rated player at his particular position still being on the board at #14, due to all the QB's being taken.

 

[Dantés]

It's going to be interesting to see how the QB's start dropping and IMO, this makes the Packers #14 pick even that much more valuable. We are sitting in a perfect position, one spot ahead of Arizona (#15), who quite possibly will be looking for a QB. If one of the QB's they covet is still on the board at #14, Gunt might be able to cash in on trading that pick to the highest bidder, who may very well even be Arizona. Even if that trade scenario doesn't happen, we may be looking at the highest rated player at his particular position still being on the board at #14, due to all the QB's being taken.

Yeah, I think I'd rather a blue chip prospect get pushed down to us at 14 because of the QB's going before them than trading down from there because a good QB is still on the board. I really want one of the impact players from the top of this class.

 

[brandon2348]

Minkah Fitzpatrick is my favorite though. I hope through some miraculous way he drops enough for us to trade up.

He is going top 5.

 

[GleefulGary]

He is going top 5.

Hence the miracle part.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah, I think I'd rather a blue chip prospect get pushed down to us at 14 because of the QB's going before them than trading down from there because a good QB is still on the board. I really want one of the impact players from the top of this class.

I agree, but if that QB is still on the board at #14 and Arizona and a few teams behind them really want that QB, the Packers could really make it worth trading back one or a few spots and still get that guy they would have taken at #14 along with another pick or two.

 

[Dantés]

I wonder if medicals will be a chance for Harold Landry to rise. My understanding is that he was playing through something in 2017, which would explain why his play tailed off (2016: 22 TFL, 16.5 Sacks, 7 FF; 2017: 8.5 TFL, 5 Sacks, 0 FF). If teams get an idea of what he was dealing with, but see that he's healthy moving forward (i.e. no degenerative or chronic issues), it could do a lot for him. Additionally, I'd expect him to test really well. I'd argue that the media sites that currently have him in the 2nd round or later are going to be singing a different tune after the combine.

 

[GleefulGary]

I wonder if medicals will be a chance for Harold Landry to rise. My understanding is that he was playing through something in 2017, which would explain why his play tailed off (2016: 22 TFL, 16.5 Sacks, 7 FF; 2017: 8.5 TFL, 5 Sacks, 0 FF). If teams get an idea of what he was dealing with, but see that he's healthy moving forward (i.e. no degenerative or chronic issues), it could do a lot for him. Additionally, I'd expect him to test really well. I'd argue that the media sites that currently have him in the 2nd round or later are going to be singing a different tune after the combine.

I know our boy Justis has him as #1 edge. My concern is him in the run game, but I'm probably overstating that. At this point, I think he's > than Davenport.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think right now, my top favorites at #14 in order are:

1) Tremaine Edmunds. We heard Pettine talk about how he loves versatile players because they create depth at multiple positions. Edmunds is the definition of versatile, is young, athletic, and skilled. He's my draft crush so far.
2) Denzel Ward: CB Ohio State: I think he's gonna be really, really good. Sticky player, good tackler, has good speed. Sign me up.
3) Josh Jackson: CB Iowa: Has amazing ball skills, but might be a touch slow. Not a good tackler. Probably the best pure cover corner in the draft. Wouldn't be unhappy with him at all.
4) Harold Landry: Edge Boston College: Had a rough SR year due to an ankle injury, but had a great JR year. Probably the best edge after Chubb, but it really isn't a great edge draft. I think there's edge depth in this draft, but no real stars. Next year however, there is some great, great edge players. So I like Landry, but talent wise, he's not my top here even though the positional need is high.

This is, of course, players I think will be available there. So I'm not gonna bother listing Roquan Smith or Quenton Nelson.

So then 2nd round, of course, this depends what we do in the 1st. For example, I like Leigton Vander Esch as an ILB, but if we draft Edmunds at #14, I'm not going to take Vander Esch. I might take him if draft a CB and haven't addressed ILB in FA. If we have addressed ILB in FA, then obviously you try to go BPA, but my positional needs would lean more towards CB/EDGE/WR. So guys like James Washington or DJ Moore are players I really like. Shorter guys that I think can still play on the outside and win. I would like to trade up into the late 2nd/early 3rd and try to pick up an OT like Alex Cappa/Tyrell Crosby.

Overall, this isn't a very strong draft. There is quite a bit of depth available, but as far as star power, meh.

 

[brandon2348]

No it's not a great draft which leaves for little margin for error so Packers better stick to the script and be willing to be aggressive and take a couple chances.

 

[Dantés]

I think right now, my top favorites at #14 in order are:

1) Tremaine Edmunds. We heard Pettine talk about how he loves versatile players because they create depth at multiple positions. Edmunds is the definition of versatile, is young, athletic, and skilled. He's my draft crush so far.
2) Denzel Ward: CB Ohio State: I think he's gonna be really, really good. Sticky player, good tackler, has good speed. Sign me up.
3) Josh Jackson: CB Iowa: Has amazing ball skills, but might be a touch slow. Not a good tackler. Probably the best pure cover corner in the draft. Wouldn't be unhappy with him at all.
4) Harold Landry: Edge Boston College: Had a rough SR year due to an ankle injury, but had a great JR year. Probably the best edge after Chubb, but it really isn't a great edge draft. I think there's edge depth in this draft, but no real stars. Next year however, there is some great, great edge players. So I like Landry, but talent wise, he's not my top here even though the positional need is high.

This is, of course, players I think will be available there. So I'm not gonna bother listing Roquan Smith or Quenton Nelson.

So then 2nd round, of course, this depends what we do in the 1st. For example, I like Leigton Vander Esch as an ILB, but if we draft Edmunds at #14, I'm not going to take Vander Esch. I might take him if draft a CB and haven't addressed ILB in FA. If we have addressed ILB in FA, then obviously you try to go BPA, but my positional needs would lean more towards CB/EDGE/WR. So guys like James Washington or DJ Moore are players I really like. Shorter guys that I think can still play on the outside and win. I would like to trade up into the late 2nd/early 3rd and try to pick up an OT like Alex Cappa/Tyrell Crosby.

Overall, this isn't a very strong draft. There is quite a bit of depth available, but as far as star power, meh.

It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out post-combine. Most GM's talk dismissively about "guys running around in shorts" but actions speak louder, and it's clear that some teams put a lot of weight in certain testing numbers that they really like. For example, BB's track record demonstrates a big affinity for guys with great 3 cone drill times. With good reason too-- the right numbers at the right positions have proven to be an important, predictive factor.

We're also going to see names "emerge" because the media (i.e. CBS) finds out that the NFL (or guys who know what they're doing like Jeremiah, Zierlein, and Mayock) are really high on them. You'll hear on espn that so-and-so is really "moving up teams' boards" when they've really been there all throughout the process. We've seen that with Edmunds already. CBS has had Edmunds at #40 in their rankings for a while, but the most recent couple mocks they've put out place them at 21 and 25. If you go back to the same guys' mocks two weeks ago, one didn't have Edmunds in his first round, and the other had him at #27. You go back to the editions before that and he didn't exist. I'm sure in the next iterations, he'll be considerably higher. Which is funny, because I don't believe he's playing any football right now.

It's amusing to me how many people read that site and treat it like the standard when it's so fluid based on what those guys hear throughout the process. I genuinely admire and appreciate how much information is on that site and reference it often, but some people treat those rankings like gospel... but a gospel that's changing dramatically pretty often apparently.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well that it happens doesn't refute that one shouldn't expect a year like that.

I agree that it shouldn't be expected to have a draft like the Saints did in 2017. I wouldn't complain about it happening for the Packers this year though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think there might be an outside chance that Bradley Chubb drops to #14 because of a lot of teams drafting quarterbacks early. The Packers selecting him would have me extremely excited.

 

[Sanguine camper]

While the overall depth in this draft clsss is weak, TE is one position thst has some excellent prospects. I'd like to see the Packers go after a TE in the third round. Gisecki of Penn State. Fumagali from the Badgers and Hurst from South Carolina are all projected third round picks. While I haven't seen
Hurst play, Gisecki is a beast and I'd be happy with Fumagali although I think he will struggle getting consistent separation. I also think Roquan Smith is overrated. He runs around blocks at the college level. In the NFL, if you can't beat a block you will make most of your tackles 7 yards downfield. Smith reminds me of the next A.J. Hawk.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think there might be an outside chance that Bradley Chubb drops to #14 because of a lot of teams drafting quarterbacks early. The Packers selecting him would have me extremely excited.

There is literally no chance he drops to 14.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There is literally no chance he drops to 14.

The same could be said about Fitzpatrick but yet you hope for a miracle to happen with him being available at #14.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is literally no chance he drops to 14.

Never say never with the NFL draft. It doesn't take much for a players stock to rise or tumble. We see it every year, hell we have a pretty good player on our team that many thought would be a #1 or #2 pick back in 2005.

 

[GleefulGary]

The same could be said about Fitzpatrick but yet you hope for a miracle to happen with him being available at #14.

Yes, hence the "miracle" part of it.

 

[GleefulGary]

Never say never with the NFL draft. It doesn't take much for a players stock to rise or tumble. We see it every year, hell we have a pretty good player on our team that many thought would be a #1 or #2 pick back in 2005.

He's easily the best edge in the draft. Unless if he has some unknown medical, or character issues, he's easy going top 10. Nowadays, the top edge will always go top 10.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yes, hence the "miracle" part of it.

I believe that if Chubb makes it past the Colts at #3 there's a small possibility he might fall to the 14th pick as teams picking ahead of the Packers aren't in dire need of a pass rusher but having other more pressing needs.