Post Your Top 50...Post Now, Reserve The Right To Complain Later

[tynimiller]

Countless number of fans every year bemoan a pick of the past or present like the GM has to be absolutely clueless...yet many of these are made AFTER things are learned OR years have past...

The thought process here is post your Top50 right now...post it that way you can back up your disdain for Gute's first pick with merit.

My goal is to have my Top 50 locked in by a week from now...but easily before the draft.

 

[Schultz]

I like this but I probably won't settle on a top 50 until the week of the draft. Question. We are doing this as our top 50 overall. Or our top 50 for the Pack, taking their perceived needs into consideration?

 

[tynimiller]

I like this but I probably won't settle on a top 50 until the week of the draft. Question. We are doing this as our top 50 overall. Or our top 50 for the Pack, taking their perceived needs into consideration?

That's a solid question...I'd say personal BUT would understand if someone wanted to post a more GB predictive one - just state such.

 

[tynimiller]

I've finally settled on a Top 100 which I'm likely 90-95% sure won't change. May be some sliding yet as I watch more, few more pro day testing results to occur as well....but this is where I'm at:

Overall	Name	Position	Pos. Rank
1	Abdul Carter	EDGE	1
2	Travis Hunter	CB/WR	1
3	Mason Graham	DL	1
4	Cam Ward	QB	1
5	Jahdae Barron	CB	1
6	Tyler Warren	TE	1
7	Jalon Walker	EDGE	2
8	Josh Conerly Jr.	OT	1
9	Armand Membou	OT	2
10	Will Campbell	OT	3
11	Shemar Stewart	EDGE	3
12	Nick Emmanwori	S	1
13	Will Johnson	CB	2
14	Tetairoa McMillan	WR	1
15	James Pearce Jr.	EDGE	4
16	Mike Green	EDGE	5
17	Walter Nolen	DL	2
18	Kenneth Grant	DL	3
19	Omarion Hampton	RB	1
20	Emeka Egbuka	WR	2
21	Donovan Ezeiruaku	EDGE	6
22	Mykel Williams	EDGE	7
23	Jihaad Campbell	LB	1
24	Colston Loveland	TE	2
25	Jayden Higgins	WR	3
26	Ashton Jeanty	RB	2
27	Kelvin Banks Jr.	OT	4
28	Derrick Harmon	DL	4
29	Nic Scourton	EDGE	8
30	Benjamin Morrison	CB	3
31	Azareye'h Thomas	CB	4
32	Tyleik Williams	DL	5
33	Luther Burden III	WR	4
34	Donovan Jackson	OG	1
35	Tyler Booker	OG	2
36	Malaki Starks	S	2
37	Alfred Collins	DL	6
38	Josh Simmons	OT	5
39	Landon Jackson	EDGE	9
40	Grey Zabel	OG	3
41	Mason Taylor	TE	3
42	Jack Sawyer	EDGE	10
43	TreVeyon Henderson	RB	3
44	Jalen Royals	WR	5
45	Shavon Revel Jr.	CB	5
46	Trey Amos	CB	6
47	Matthew Golden	WR	6
48	Shedeur Sanders	QB	2
49	Xavier Watts	S	3
50	Darius Alexander	DL	7
51	Elijah Arroyo	TE	4
52	Maxwell Hairston	CB	7
53	Marcus Mbow	OG	4
54	Princely Umanmielen	EDGE	10
55	Kaleb Johnson	RB	4
56	T.J. Sanders	DL	8
57	Aireontae Ersery	OT	6
58	Jonah Savaiinaea	OT	7
59	JT Tuimoloau	EDGE	11
60	Quincy Riley	CB	8
61	Tre Harris	WR	7
62	Carson Schwesinger	LB	2
63	Deone Walker	DL	9
64	Tate Ratledge	OG	5
65	Jaylin Noel	WR	8
66	Quinshon Judkins	RB	5
67	Cameron Williams	OT	8
68	Ty Robinson	DL	10
69	Danny Stutsman	LB	3
70	Jared Wilson	OC	1
71	Charles Grant	OT	9
72	Jackson Slater	OG	6
73	Wyatt Milum	OT	10
74	Harold Fannin Jr.	TE	5
75	RJ Harvey	RB	6
76	Anthony Belton	OT	11
77	Darien Porter	CB	9
78	Jack Bech	WR	9
79	Jordan Burch	EDGE	12
80	Cameron Skattebo	RB	7
81	Mac McWilliams	CB	10
82	Shemar Turner	DL	11
83	Kevin Winston Jr.	S	4
84	Demetrius Knight Jr.	LB	4
85	Jacob Parrish	CB	11
86	Gunnar Helm	TE	6
87	Bradyn Swinson	EDGE	13
88	Omarr Norman-Lott	DL	12
89	Ozzy Trapilo	OT	12
90	Savion Williams	WR	10
91	Barryn Sorrell	EDGE	14
92	Pat Bryant II	WR	11
93	Oluwafemi Oladejo	EDGE	15
94	Tyler Shough	QB	3
95	Joshua Farmer	DL	13
96	CJ West	DL	14
97	Ashton Gillotte	EDGE	16
98	Ahmed Hassanein	EDGE	17
99	Tai Felton	WR	12
100	Andrew Mukuba	S	5

 

[tynimiller]

Updated Top 100:

Rank	Prospect	Changed From Last
1	Abdul Carter
2	Travis Hunter
3	Cam Ward	1
4	Jahdae Barron	1
5	Mason Graham	-2
6	Jalon Walker	1
7	Josh Conerly	1
8	Armand Membou	1
9	Tyler Warren	-3
10	Will Campbell
11	Shemar Stewart
12	Will Johnson	1
13	Nick Emmanwori	-1
14	Kenneth Grant	4
15	Walter Nolen	2
16	James Pearce Jr	-1
17	Emeka Egbuka	3
18	Tetairoa McMillan	-4
19	Omarion Hampton
20	Donovan Ezeiruaku	1
21	Mike Green	-5
22	Jayden Higgins	3
23	Mykel Williams	-1
24	Jihaad Campbell	-1
25	Colston Loveland	-1
26	Derrick Harmon	2
27	Ashton Jeanty	-1
28	Azareye'h Thomas	3
29	Nic Scourton
30	Tyleik Williams	2
31	Donovan Jackson	3
32	Kelvin Banks Jr	-5
33	Luther Burden III
34	Landon Jackson	5
35	Malaki Starks	1
36	TreVeyon Henderson	7
37	Tyler Booker	-2
38	Josh Simmons
39	Shavon Revel Jr	6
40	Matthew Golden	7
41	Jalen Royals	3
42	Grey Zabel	-2
43	Shedeur Sanders	5
44	Trey Amos	2
45	Benjamin Morrison (medicals)	-15
46	Alfred Collins	-9
47	Mason Taylor	-6
48	Xavier Watts	1
49	Darius Alexander	1
50	JT Tuimoloau	8
51	Princely Umanmielen	3
52	Jack Sawyer	-10
53	Marcus Mbow
54	Elijah Arroyo	-3
55	Maxwell Hairston	-3
56	Jonah Savaiinaea	2
57	TJ Sanders	-1
58	Tate Ratledge	6
59	Kaleb Johnson	-4
60	Danny Stutsman	9
61	Aireontae Ersery	-4
62	Quincy Riley	-2
63	Jaylin Noel	2
64	Tre Harris	-3
65	Carson Schwesinger	-3
66	Jared Wilson	4
67	Jackson Slater	5
68	Charles Grant	3
69	Wyatt Milum	4
70	Jacob Parrish	15
71	Ty Robinson	-3
72	Cameron Williams	-5
73	Deone Walker	-10
74	Quinshon Judkins	-8
75	Barryn Sorrell	16
76	Ty Robinson	-8
77	Anthony Belton	-1
78	RJ Harvey	-3
79	Darien Porter	-2
80	Mac McWilliams	1
81	Jack Bech	-3
82	Kevin Winston Jr	1
83	Gunnar Helm	3
84	Harold Fannin Jr	-10
85	Jordan Burch	-6
86	Shemar Turner	-4
87	Savion Williams	3
88	Andrew Mukuba	12
89	Tai Felton	10
90	Oluwafemi Oladejo	3
91	Ozzy Trapilo	-2
92	Bradyn Swingson	-5
93	Pat Bryant	-1
94	Jackson Dart	N/A
95	Devin Neal	N/A
96	Tyler Shough	-2
97	Ashton Gillotte
98	Demetrius Knight	-14
99	Ahmed Hassanein	-1
100	Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins	N/A

 

[Heyjoe4]

Updated Top 100:

Rank	Prospect	Changed From Last
1	Abdul Carter
2	Travis Hunter
3	Cam Ward	1
4	Jahdae Barron	1
5	Mason Graham	-2
6	Jalon Walker	1
7	Josh Conerly	1
8	Armand Membou	1
9	Tyler Warren	-3
10	Will Campbell
11	Shemar Stewart
12	Will Johnson	1
13	Nick Emmanwori	-1
14	Kenneth Grant	4
15	Walter Nolen	2
16	James Pearce Jr	-1
17	Emeka Egbuka	3
18	Tetairoa McMillan	-4
19	Omarion Hampton
20	Donovan Ezeiruaku	1
21	Mike Green	-5
22	Jayden Higgins	3
23	Mykel Williams	-1
24	Jihaad Campbell	-1
25	Colston Loveland	-1
26	Derrick Harmon	2
27	Ashton Jeanty	-1
28	Azareye'h Thomas	3
29	Nic Scourton
30	Tyleik Williams	2
31	Donovan Jackson	3
32	Kelvin Banks Jr	-5
33	Luther Burden III
34	Landon Jackson	5
35	Malaki Starks	1
36	TreVeyon Henderson	7
37	Tyler Booker	-2
38	Josh Simmons
39	Shavon Revel Jr	6
40	Matthew Golden	7
41	Jalen Royals	3
42	Grey Zabel	-2
43	Shedeur Sanders	5
44	Trey Amos	2
45	Benjamin Morrison (medicals)	-15
46	Alfred Collins	-9
47	Mason Taylor	-6
48	Xavier Watts	1
49	Darius Alexander	1
50	JT Tuimoloau	8
51	Princely Umanmielen	3
52	Jack Sawyer	-10
53	Marcus Mbow
54	Elijah Arroyo	-3
55	Maxwell Hairston	-3
56	Jonah Savaiinaea	2
57	TJ Sanders	-1
58	Tate Ratledge	6
59	Kaleb Johnson	-4
60	Danny Stutsman	9
61	Aireontae Ersery	-4
62	Quincy Riley	-2
63	Jaylin Noel	2
64	Tre Harris	-3
65	Carson Schwesinger	-3
66	Jared Wilson	4
67	Jackson Slater	5
68	Charles Grant	3
69	Wyatt Milum	4
70	Jacob Parrish	15
71	Ty Robinson	-3
72	Cameron Williams	-5
73	Deone Walker	-10
74	Quinshon Judkins	-8
75	Barryn Sorrell	16
76	Ty Robinson	-8
77	Anthony Belton	-1
78	RJ Harvey	-3
79	Darien Porter	-2
80	Mac McWilliams	1
81	Jack Bech	-3
82	Kevin Winston Jr	1
83	Gunnar Helm	3
84	Harold Fannin Jr	-10
85	Jordan Burch	-6
86	Shemar Turner	-4
87	Savion Williams	3
88	Andrew Mukuba	12
89	Tai Felton	10
90	Oluwafemi Oladejo	3
91	Ozzy Trapilo	-2
92	Bradyn Swingson	-5
93	Pat Bryant	-1
94	Jackson Dart	N/A
95	Devin Neal	N/A
96	Tyler Shough	-2
97	Ashton Gillotte
98	Demetrius Knight	-14
99	Ahmed Hassanein	-1
100	Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins	N/A

Just to clarify, these are the top 100 players based on your evaluations and not necessarily how they will get drafted. Correct? For example, Tennessee will almost certainly take QB Cam Ward at #1, even though Abdul Carter is a better player.

Over 100 picks, this should average out. That is, a majority of these guys will be taken in the top 100, just not necessarily in this order.

It's an interesting exercise, but Im more interested in draft order predictions.

FWIW, I don't have a top 100, or a top 50, because I just don't know enough about these guys.

FWIW part 2 - I'm surprised you have Barron in the top 5. I've seen him mocked all over round 1, early round 2. Again, I'm not qualified to say that sounds right or wrong. This list is useful when evaluating the value of a pick.

 

[tynimiller]

Just to clarify, these are the top 100 players based on your evaluations and not necessarily how they will get drafted. Correct? For example, Tennessee will almost certainly take QB Cam Ward at #1, even though Abdul Carter is a better player.

Over 100 picks, this should average out. That is, a majority of these guys will be taken in the top 100, just not necessarily in this order.

It's an interesting exercise, but Im more interested in draft order predictions.

FWIW, I don't have a top 100, or a top 50, because I just don't know enough about these guys.

FWIW part 2 - I'm surprised you have Barron in the top 5. I've seen him mocked all over round 1, early round 2. Again, I'm not qualified to say that sounds right or wrong. This list is useful when evaluating the value of a pick.

This is my rankings of the prospects plain and simple.

QBs almost always as example get over drafted compared to my board and many folks actually in the scouting world or even the likes of McShay or Mayock, DJ or others.

Predictive rankings to me are kinda of dumb in the sense if you're going to do anything predicting where a guy is drafted numerically you really need to factor in the team at that pick and review player types of those teams, need and weight also expiring contracts or contract situations for that team inside that position group.

You had asked about Shavon - just because I have him at 39, wouldn't mean he is a dumb pick at #23...especially if your top 3 CBs (if your board was same as mine) are gone already and you perhaps see a rather big drop off at the position - the value of Shavon would easily fit. If I get verifiable medical intel on him he is likely going to be up in my top 30 but right now I'm gambling some with unknowns...Morrison is still recovering for sure and I worry about the timeline of his recovery hence why he dropped so much despite to me being if healthy CB3.

 

[Heyjoe4]

This is my rankings of the prospects plain and simple.

QBs almost always as example get over drafted compared to my board and many folks actually in the scouting world or even the likes of McShay or Mayock, DJ or others.

Predictive rankings to me are kinda of dumb in the sense if you're going to do anything predicting where a guy is drafted numerically you really need to factor in the team at that pick and review player types of those teams, need and weight also expiring contracts or contract situations for that team inside that position group.

You had asked about Shavon - just because I have him at 39, wouldn't mean he is a dumb pick at #23...especially if your top 3 CBs (if your board was same as mine) are gone already and you perhaps see a rather big drop off at the position - the value of Shavon would easily fit. If I get verifiable medical intel on him he is likely going to be up in my top 30 but right now I'm gambling some with unknowns...Morrison is still recovering for sure and I worry about the timeline of his recovery hence why he dropped so much despite to me being if healthy CB3.

I'm probably looking at this the wrong way. Mock drafts are useful imo because they give the fans of a team some idea of who may be drafted (even though they are rarely accurate). And yeah, there's a lot to consider in making those predictions, and that's why, outside the top 5 or 20, they aren't very accurate.

I'm just trying to understand how this ranked list of 100 prospects is useful. It's not clear at all, other than to compare it to other people making their own lists? I just don't know how many people know enough about all the prospects to put together a useful list.

Im sure you put a lot of effort into this.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm probably looking at this the wrong way. Mock drafts are useful imo because they give the fans of a team some idea of who may be drafted (even though they are rarely accurate). And yeah, there's a lot to consider in making those predictions, and that's why, outside the top 5 or 20, they aren't very accurate.

I'm just trying to understand how this ranked list of 100 prospects is useful. It's not clear at all, other than to compare it to other people making their own lists? I just don't know how many people know enough about all the prospects to put together a useful list.

Im sure you put a lot of effort into this.

Any scouting department is going to develop their boards or rankings - this is merely mine and I decided to essentially use the forum as the best spot to share it for historical referencing then in the future. I don't know if I'll flesh out all my 287 prospects I've graded out into a refined 1-287 ranked but if I do I'll share it. I do for sure currently have guys ranked out to 122 and then after that it is more buckets of remaining round grade thoughts.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Any scouting department is going to develop their boards or rankings - this is merely mine and I decided to essentially use the forum as the best spot to share it for historical referencing then in the future. I don't know if I'll flesh out all my 287 prospects I've graded out into a refined 1-287 ranked but if I do I'll share it. I do for sure currently have guys ranked out to 122 and then after that it is more buckets of remaining round grade thoughts.

Well it's a lot of work so you must enjoy it. It will be fun to check back against this list. What still amazes me is the number of "can't miss" guys in the upper ranks, who miss, and then the guys who come from the third day of the draft who find their way to the HOF.

I don't know why some guys just flourish in the NFL. And then there are the guys who live up to their high draft spot.