PFF positional rankings

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah but if only one of cook or adams steps up this is easily a top end group. If both do i think it is likely the best in football

True, but as I mentioned these are the question marks about the group some teams ranked ahead of the Packers currently don't face.

 

[thisisnate]

I think part of the Packers fan base doesn't realistically assess the team's receiving corps. There's no doubt Green Bay has an elite receiver in Nelson (who is coming of a torn ACL though) and one of the best slot WRs in the league. Other than that there are question marks about every other pass catcher on the team. As of right now I don't consider the unit one of the best three in the NFL and #8 seems close to being accurate.

I mean I don't think 8 is that far off. I'd go 5 or 6 personally. Just some of the teams ahead of us I don't agree are better. And Patriots at #1 seems crazy to me. Outside of Gronk, they're average or below average, imo. Jacksonville? Unprovens and a FA TE addition. Pitt doesn't even have Martavis Bryant for the year. *shrug*

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I mean I don't think 8 is that far off. I'd go 5 or 6 personally. Just some of the teams ahead of us I don't agree are better. And Patriots at #1 seems crazy to me. Outside of Gronk, they're average or below average, imo. Jacksonville? Unprovens and a FA TE addition. Pitt doesn't even have Martavis Bryant for the year. *shrug*

The Patriots added Martellus Bennett to a receiving corps which already included Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. In my opinion they deserve to be ranked #1.

Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns both had over 1,000 receiving yards and at least 10 touchdown catches last season. As long as Julius Thomas is able to stay healthy this is a pretty good group.

I agree there's reason to discuss about the Steelers being ranked ahead of the Packers but with Antonio Brown most likely being the best receiver in the league as well as adding a promising tight end in Ladarius Green I understand doing it.

 

[bigbubbatd]

True, but as I mentioned these are the question marks about the group some teams ranked ahead of the Packers currently don't face.

Really?

I think Washington has quite a few question mark.

I think NE outside Gronk and Edleman has a lot of questions.

The Steelers have questions everywhere but brown. Green has promise but isnt proven.

The Seahawks are not betrer than the packers.

Similiar i dont know who would take robinson and hurns over nelson and cobb at all. Thomas has a lot to prove but is better than Cook but i could easily make the argument for the packers there

Denver is debatable as well. No te. Thomas Sanders vs nelson cobb.

Maybe that is the reality that it is close. I would take the Packers but i could see anywhere from 2 to 6. Dont understand Seahawks and redskins at all

 

[thisisnate]

The Patriots added Martellus Bennett to a receiving corps which already included Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. In my opinion they deserve to be ranked #1.

Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns both had over 1,000 receiving yards and at least 10 touchdown catches last season. As long as Julius Thomas is able to stay healthy this is a pretty good group.

I agree there's reason to discuss about the Steelers being ranked ahead of the Packers but with Antonio Brown most likely being the best receiver in the league as well as adding a promising tight end in Ladarius Green I understand doing it.

Awww yeah, I forgot about Bennett. Their WR group I think is average, but you're right, that 2-headed monster at TE is very formidable.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

PFF has the Packers secondary ranked fifth in the league.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pr...ocial&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

 

[bigbubbatd]

That gives the Packers the best qb, oline, wide receiver group, and secondary in the division. Second in running back. Worst front 7.

I am surprised the vikings secondary is so high. Smith is great. Rhodes is up and down and was down for over half the season. Newman is average and Sendajo is below average. Odd that is a top 10 group

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe that is the reality that it is close. I would take the Packers but i could see anywhere from 2 to 6. Dont understand Seahawks and redskins at all

I agree that the differences between the top receiving corps in the league are marginal and could be ranked differently. The author of the article does a decent job of explaining the reasons for ranking Washington and the Seahawks ahead of the Packers. It's fine not agreeing with him though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That gives the Packers the best qb, oline, wide receiver group, and secondary in the division. Second in running back. Worst front 7.

An overall ranking of all position groups (32 points for the best unit down to one point for the worst) results in the Packers having the best roster in the league.

 

[PikeBadger]

An overall ranking of all position groups (32 points for the best unit down to one point for the worst) results in the Packers having the best roster in the league.

My suspicions about our roster talent confirmed.I'm so ready for pre-season games to start.

 

[sschind]

I think part of the Packers fan base doesn't realistically assess the team's receiving corps. There's no doubt Green Bay has an elite receiver in Nelson (who is coming of a torn ACL though) and one of the best slot WRs in the league. Other than that there are question marks about every other pass catcher on the team. As of right now I don't consider the unit one of the best three in the NFL and #8 seems close to being accurate.

I have no problem at all with the #8 ranking. If they are ranking the WR/TE position together it would seem to me that they they are putting equal weight on the positions which is why NE get ranked so high and it really helps with Washington as well and probably even Seattle's ranking even though their guy had a down year last year as well. IMO we have Nelson and Cobb who have proven themselves to be anything more than meh and certainly no one who has done it more than one year. I'm guessing that a veteran presence is one thing holding us back. Besides Nelson and Cobb none of our WRs have played more than 2 years and even then Adams is the only one who can be considered to have contributed more than spot duty. That may very well hold true for the other teams as well and I don't have time to go through and check but I think a team with a veteran #3 or even #4 is going to get a boost even if that veteran is on the downside of his career. I really like our group and I love the addition of Cook as well and like WIMM said in another post I see this group as a whole being top 5 and probably even higher than that by the end of 2016 but for now I think #8 is fine. I can also see where people would argue. I'm guessing that the fan glasses have a lot to do with it as it would on every other fan forum. Its hard to be 100% objective when comparing your team with someone who is close and the vast majority of time your team is going to come out ahead...in your mind.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

IMO we have Nelson and Cobb who have proven themselves to be anything more than meh and certainly no one who has done it more than one year. I'm guessing that a veteran presence is one thing holding us back. Besides Nelson and Cobb none of our WRs have played more than 2 years and even then Adams is the only one who can be considered to have contributed more than spot duty.

There's no doubt in my mind that aside of possibly Thomas and Sanders there aren't better top two receivers on another team than Nelson and Cobb. The Packers are missing a WR early in his pro career that has shown the potential to be a game changer as well as an impact tight end to be ranked higher though.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Packers defensive front seven ranked 18th in the league by PFF.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pr...ocial&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

18th seems low.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

The Patriots added Martellus Bennett to a receiving corps which already included Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. In my opinion they deserve to be ranked #1.

Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns both had over 1,000 receiving yards and at least 10 touchdown catches last season. As long as Julius Thomas is able to stay healthy this is a pretty good group.

I agree there's reason to discuss about the Steelers being ranked ahead of the Packers but with Antonio Brown most likely being the best receiver in the league as well as adding a promising tight end in Ladarius Green I understand doing it.

edelman and amendola never impressed me much. plus they have been hurt too much lately.

 

[TeamTundra]

Anybody else notice that PFF has Carolina's secondary ranked last?

Losing Josh Norman will hurt, but I didn't realize they lacked that
much talent. Their front seven will of course help offset some of
their secondary's shortcomings, but will make it difficult to repeat
as conference champs.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

18th seems low.

The defensive front seven is the Packers weakest position group and PFF's ranking of the unit seems about right.

edelman and amendola never impressed me much. plus they have been hurt too much lately.

Edelman, just like Cobb, is one of the best slot receivers in the league. I agree that Amendola hasn't lived up to expectations in New England but he performed better in 2015, finishing with 65 receptions while catching 74.7% of his targets.

Anybody else notice that PFF has Carolina's secondary ranked last?

Losing Josh Norman will hurt, but I didn't realize they lacked that
much talent. Their front seven will of course help offset some of
their secondary's shortcomings, but will make it difficult to repeat
as conference champs.

Yeah, I realized that as well. It isn't surprising though as the Panthers lost Josh Norman, Roman Harper, Charles Tillman and Courtland Finnegan this offseason. It seems the plan is to replace them with three cornerbacks drafted in James Bradberry (second round), Daryl Worley (3rd) and Zack Sanchez (5th) as well as a journeyman safety in Trenton Robinson who struggled mightily with Washington last season.

Overall the Panthers have an excellent teams but the shortcomings in the secondary could cost them a chance to repeat as NFC champions.

 

[Half Empty]

18th seems low.

Because....? That puts them pretty much in the middle, and I don't think they're better than that.

 

[sschind]

There's no doubt in my mind that aside of possibly Thomas and Sanders there aren't better top two receivers on another team than Nelson and Cobb. The Packers are missing a WR early in his pro career that has shown the potential to be a game changer as well as an impact tight end to be ranked higher though.

I could agree with that assessment although the Cardinals would have to be in consideration as well even though Fitz is getting a bit old. They would probably be my pick for third if you are just ranking the top 2 but I think their backups are just a tad more proven which IMO gives their overall group a higher rating.

The way I see it is when you have a great #1 and #2 WR it is difficult to justify that top pick on a WR and to give any rookies you do draft the opportunities to be a game changer early in their careers. Think of the top rookie WRs over the last few years and they were pretty much their team's go to guys or at least their #2 option right from the start. I realize they have not all been #1 picks but they were still counted on early. Its hard for a #3 guy to put up the numbers to get noticed. The Packers are drafting WRs with the hopes that they be solid contributors early on in their careers and not game changers. Not that they would mind a game changer obviously but with one of the best 1-2 guys its not such a big deal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The way I see it is when you have a great #1 and #2 WR it is difficult to justify that top pick on a WR and to give any rookies you do draft the opportunities to be a game changer early in their careers. Think of the top rookie WRs over the last few years and they were pretty much their team's go to guys or at least their #2 option right from the start. I realize they have not all been #1 picks but they were still counted on early. Its hard for a #3 guy to put up the numbers to get noticed. The Packers are drafting WRs with the hopes that they be solid contributors early on in their careers and not game changers. Not that they would mind a game changer obviously but with one of the best 1-2 guys its not such a big deal.

Overall I agree with your assessment and I wasn't advocating for the Packers to select a wide receiver early this draft like some other posters around here.

With Nelson missing the entire 2015 season Adams had a chance to shine though but didn't live up to expectations. That's especially disappointing when realizing that Allen Robinson was picked eight spots after the Packers selected Adams.

 

[adambr2]

And that's why I love it so much. I don't claim to know much about the Packers but I do know that the O-Line wasn't NEARLY as bad as some would have led you to believe.

I've come to conclude that many fans of any team with a star quarterback think their offensive line sucks, because they're going to see that star QB take many shots over the course of the season. It's a thankless position. Often you're unnoticed if you're doing your job while the skill players make the plays down the field, but if you're not, you'll be noticed immediately.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I've come to conclude that many fans of any team with a star quarterback think their offensive line sucks, because they're going to see that star QB take many shots over the course of the season. It's a thankless position. Often you're unnoticed if you're doing your job while the skill players make the plays down the field, but if you're not, you'll be noticed immediately.

That's especially true when blocking for a quarterback like Rodgers who occasionally holds on to the ball for an eternity to wait for a receiver to get open down the field.

 

[Ace]

edelman and amendola never impressed me much. plus they have been hurt too much lately.

I think you need to watch a little more Patriot football. Edelman is really good and yes he was hurt last year but had played in 30 games the previous 2 years. Amendola I would agree with, never understood why he got paid like he did or why they thought he would replace Welker.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I think you need to watch a little more Patriot football. Edelman is really good and yes he was hurt last year but had played in 30 games the previous 2 years. Amendola I would agree with, never understood why he got paid like he did or why they thought he would replace Welker.

I know Edelman is a quick shifty guy who can hurt you... But I give much of his production to Bradys masterful QB play... On another team he would fade away I bet...

 

[Ace]

I know Edelman is a quick shifty guy who can hurt you... But I give much of his production to Bradys masterful QB play... On another team he would fade away I bet...

Sure, having Tom Brady as a QB isn't going to hurt but he was Edelman's QB during the first few years of his career too and Edelman was a nobody. He's worked his way into being a very good WR in the NFL. He's not a top 10 WR but to say he isn't impressive is a little insulting IMO. Again, I agree with you on Amendola but we'll have to agree to disagree on Edelman.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Sure, having Tom Brady as a QB isn't going to hurt but he was Edelman's QB during the first few years of his career too and Edelman was a nobody. He's worked his way into being a very good WR in the NFL. He's not a top 10 WR but to say he isn't impressive is a little insulting IMO. Again, I agree with you on Amendola but we'll have to agree to disagree on Edelman.

Jennings is a perfect example. Favre and Rodgers made him look great at times. But how much of it was the chemistry, the QB, the system?
I will admit I don't rank him high, and he keeps slicing and dicing... But I think brady gets a top tier WR like Julio, or Thomas, and he is pushing 20TDs .......So who do you compare Edelman too? So I can understand better where you see him?