Packers to sign Adrian Amos

[bigbubbatd]

4 years 37 million on Amos with incentives. 14 million in year one, 21 million in first two years.

Love that deal compared to Collins! Makes the overpay of Z Smith a little better.

Capt any rough idea where we are at capwise if we release Perry?

 

[gbgary]

pff rating...82.7: good

 

[Do7]

Holy crap! 3 pages already? You guys are fast with these posts!

 

[sschind]

Holy crap! 3 pages already? You guys are fast with these posts!

No kidding, I'm never going to get anything done today at this rate.


Aw who am I kidding, I wasn't going to get anything done anyway and I can't think of a better way to waste time than reading about all these moves.

 

[PackAttack12]

Holy crap! 3 pages already? You guys are fast with these posts!

Get with the program.

 

[Do7]

Get with the program.

Dude my internet was down for like an hour and a half, only for me to come back on and see several threads being made. I feel like I missed out. XD

 

[PackAttack12]

Dude my internet was down for like an hour and a half, only for me to come back on and see several threads being made. I feel like I missed out. XD

You happy now that the Packers did what you were imploring them to do???

 

[Do7]

You happy now that the Packers did what you were imploring them to do???

Imploring them to do? I told you who I wanted.

I think you're confusing me with Brandon about me complaining about the FO not doing anything on the first day.

We'll see how these signing goes. For now I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Nice article on PFF declaring Amos to be the best value deal so far:

Basically, he's not as flashy as some but he doesn't make mistakes and can do a lot of things very well.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-adrian-amos-the-best-value-deal-of-free-agency-so-far

 

[Ace]

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1105530771530571776

Some details on Amos contract. Numbers don't add up to me but assuming the first year is right, looks like a $5M cap hit for 2019

 

[AmishMafia]

Good signing. But I place this caveat. I think he is a product of playing alongside Eddie Jackson as much as anything. He played worse when Jackson was injured. We need to pair him with another talented safety. I'm not sure that person is on the roster.

Surprised at the amount. Expected it to be another $2M per year or so.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

A+ move. I can't believe how good of a bargain we got with him. 4 years for less than 10 mil per year. I thought there was a possibility with the market he'd be landing Landon Collins money. I have a beef with the Za'Darius Smith move, but this move makes that one hurt less. Great job taking him away from the rival.

 

[Dantés]

Good signing. But I place this caveat. I think he is a product of playing alongside Eddie Jackson as much as anything. He played worse when Jackson was injured. We need to pair him with another talented safety. I'm not sure that person is on the roster.

Surprised at the amount. Expected it to be another $2M per year or so.

Certainly any player benefits from the players around him being better and not worse, but I think in general Jackson was more reliant on Amos than vice versa. Amos has been the reliable, assignment-sound player of the two, allowing Jackson more latitude to range and make plays.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Some more on Amos:

In Amos, the Packers are getting one of the NFL’s most reliable cover safeties while also filling a major need and weakening a division rival.

According to Pro Football Focus, Amos has ranked among the top 10 safeties in coverage grade each of the last two seasons. He was pegged as the No. 11 overall free agent available by the site.

Last season, Amos delivered 73 tackles, two interceptions and nine pass breakups for the Bears’ top defense.


https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/12/packers-agree-to-sign-former-bears-s-adrian-amos/

Eddie Jackson is a route jumper in the Bears zone-heavy D. Amos was the last line of defense. While that role largely describes "free safety", the question is whether additional backstopping of his partner in crime might have put a dent in his playmaking opportunities.

Regardless, Amos was #1 on my FA acquisition list so I have to give Gutekunst an A for this one. It's pretty evident the early safety signings drove up his price somewhat from early indications, but you get what you pay for.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Good signing. But I place this caveat. I think he is a product of playing alongside Eddie Jackson as much as anything. He played worse when Jackson was injured. We need to pair him with another talented safety. I'm not sure that person is on the roster.

Surprised at the amount. Expected it to be another $2M per year or so.

I linked to it above but PFF noted that he was actually a very safe, consistent safety with no real weakness; he just doesn't do anything flashy. In 2018 he was downgraded by PFF at the 3rd lowest rate of any starting safety and in 2017 he was downgraded at the 7th lowest rate. Over those two seasons he also has the 10th best missed tackle rate.

I think what Amos does for the Packers is just allow them to know that they'll actually have a safety who doesn't screw up (which will be a revelation compared to last year's safeties). So, basically he appears to be an upgraded version of Morgan Burnett.

 

[AmishMafia]

I linked to it above but PFF noted that he was actually a very safe, consistent safety with no real weakness; he just doesn't do anything flashy. In 2018 he was downgraded by PFF at the 3rd lowest rate of any starting safety and in 2017 he was downgraded at the 7th lowest rate. Over those two seasons he also has the 10th best missed tackle rate.

I think what Amos does for the Packers is just allow them to know that they'll actually have a safety who doesn't screw up (which will be a revelation compared to last year's safeties). So, basically he appears to be an upgraded version of Morgan Burnett.

Agree on the signing. Amos is a big improvement. I liked Haha, but he would screw up 3 or 4 times a game. Clean a few plays up, and he would have been really good. But ******** up 3 or 4 times cost us enough games to make your head hurt.

I think we may go safety early in the draft, like Abram, who may be a perfect very aggressive compliment to Amos. I'm not sure Brice is the guy. Jones IS the guy, at least on paper, but hasn't shown yet that he can step in there effectively.

We need to pair Amos of we want the most out of him.

 

[sschind]

A+ move. I can't believe how good of a bargain we got with him. 4 years for less than 10 mil per year. I thought there was a possibility with the market he'd be landing Landon Collins money. I have a beef with the Za'Darius Smith move, but this move makes that one hurt less. Great job taking him away from the rival.

My brother in law, who is a huge bears fan, (which right there limits his credibility I know) was more than happy to let Amos walk because he wanted 9 million a year and he said there was no way he was worth that much. I think its another prime example of fans underestimating the market. 5-7 million isn't going to get you much of anything under the age of 28 nowadays. It might buy you a aging vet who is refusing to hang up his cleats but young guys with talent are going to be pushing 10 million from now on.

Good signing. But I place this caveat. I think he is a product of playing alongside Eddie Jackson as much as anything. He played worse when Jackson was injured. We need to pair him with another talented safety. I'm not sure that person is on the roster.
Surprised at the amount. Expected it to be another $2M per year or so.

That is a legit concern but I wouldn't say he was a product of playing alongside Jackson. Like Dantes said, I think its more of a case of any player benefiting from having other talented players around him. I almost said more talented players but realized there is a difference. Jackson is a flashy player who makes big plays and excites guys like my brother in law. Amos is a steady player who doesn't make the flashy plays but he doesn't screw up either. Is one more talented than the other or are they just equally talented with different abilities. I'd probably say the latter and I think either would be good ones to have.

 

[Dantés]

Adrian Amos has 3 interceptions and 18 PBU's in 4 seasons (he was a starter in all of them). In four years at Penn State, he had 7 interceptions and 19 PBU's in 4 seasons. He isn't incapable of making plays on the ball, but his game also isn't marked by tons of ball production. His value lies chiefly in his reliability and consistency, both against the pass and the run. He's a very sound tackler and he is rarely out of position in coverage. He's going to bring stability to the back end.

 

[sschind]

Nice article on PFF declaring Amos to be the best value deal so far:

Basically, he's not as flashy as some but he doesn't make mistakes and can do a lot of things very well.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-adrian-amos-the-best-value-deal-of-free-agency-so-far

Some stuff in the article wasn't really explained but I guess if I were a PFF fan I would know what the hell they were talking about. I have no idea what downgraded is but I'm guessing being third lowest is a good thing.

All I really got out of it is he good.

 

[metallicblaze]

5m cap hit if I understand it right. How is that not a win?

 

[GleefulGary]

Crown Russ Ball you plebes.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I linked to it above but PFF noted that he was actually a very safe, consistent safety with no real weakness; he just doesn't do anything flashy. In 2018 he was downgraded by PFF at the 3rd lowest rate of any starting safety and in 2017 he was downgraded at the 7th lowest rate. Over those two seasons he also has the 10th best missed tackle rate.

I think what Amos does for the Packers is just allow them to know that they'll actually have a safety who doesn't screw up (which will be a revelation compared to last year's safeties). So, basically he appears to be an upgraded version of Morgan Burnett.

Well, you know what they say (or at least what I say ). Jobs #1 and #2 of a free safety are don't let them throw over the top and don't miss tackles, i.e., limit big plays. Amos scores well on both counts. That's a good start. A free safety can screw up a lot but if he takes down 6 picks he'll make the Pro Bowl which, along with $4, will get you a cup of Stabucks.

 

[pacmaniac]

LOL! Reports are that the Bears are bringing in Ha Ha for a visit.

 

[HardRightEdge]

LOL! Reports are that the Bears are bringing in Ha Ha for a visit.

He was never as good as generally believed in this Pro Bowl year, not as good as his high PFF grade at the time of his departure, nor as bad as many commentators here believed when he got the bums rush. He could be an adequate replacemnt for them if the price is right.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Some stuff in the article wasn't really explained but I guess if I were a PFF fan I would know what the hell they were talking about. I have no idea what downgraded is but I'm guessing being third lowest is a good thing.

All I really got out of it is he good.

PFF grades each play from -2 to +2 as many coaching staffs have traditionally done. -2 is a very bad play, maybe blowing an easy tackle or falling down resulting in an 80 yard play. A +2 might be a pick or forced fumble. A 0 grade is where the guy does what PFF perceives to be his assignment but the impact on the play is neither good nor bad.

When they say Player X was downgraded the 3rd. fewest times at his position, that means PFF gave him the third fewest -1 or -2 rated plays. I'd guess PFF is doing that on a percentage of snaps basis, but I couldn't be sure unless they say so explicitly. What that means is he does not make many mistakes.

Amos has not, on the other hand, been racking up a lot of +2 plays compared to others, typically measured by INTs, forced fumbles or pass breakups.

He's a steady Eddie, assignment-sure kind of guy. Balls don't get over his head and few tackles are missed. He's the kind of guy who might not get Pro Bowl attention for lack of picks, which always seems to be the guage together with reputation, but he's the kind of guy who should make his DB partners better.