Packers Hosting FA iDL Rodney Gunter

[Dantés]

Gunter is a 6'5" 305 lb defensive linemen who has been in the league for four seasons. He came out of Delaware State and caught on with the Cardinals.

He had 6 TFL and 3.5 sacks in his first three seasons combined, but seems to have had a mini breakout last year with 11 and 4.5 respectively in 2018.

His physical makeup profiles as a 5T/3T, similar to Wilkerson. He's 27 and could be a target as a young, cheaper alternative to the veteran.

 

[gbgary]

as long as he isn't a step backward in quality. it's about getting better. they weren't exactly great up the middle last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As long as they still draft Ed Oliver , I would take Gunter over Wilkerson. Younger, healthier and probably hungrier.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...339/Low-Hanging-Fruit-The-Rodney-Gunter-story

Ran a 4.95 at his Pro Day. Yikes

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Packers won't draft Oliver. Everyone on twitter says his arms are too short and that Pettine likes long arms only

I don't know what they could get Gunter for, but Wilkerson wouldn't cost a ton either. Last year he signed 1yr deal for 5 mill and it would be a lot less than that this year.

Just a visit for Gunter...who knows what will happen. He better have long *** arms though if we sign him

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers won't draft Oliver. Everyone on twitter says his arms are too short and that Pettine likes long arms only

I don't know what they could get Gunter for, but Wilkerson wouldn't cost a ton either. Last year he signed 1yr deal for 5 mill and it would be a lot less than that this year.

Just a visit for Gunter...who knows what will happen. He better have long *** arms though if we sign him

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[OldSchool101]

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Is that Dillard?
He’s got good pad level. I’m going to miss that kind of pad level

 

[C-Lee]

The name Gunter still triggers me.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Amazing how many recognizable names are still Free Agents.

http://nfltraderumors.co/2019-nfl-free-agents-list/

 

[OldSchool101]

The name Gunter still triggers me.

Sounds like someone’s dog. J/k. He’s probably a nice dog.. I mean.. guy

 

[tynimiller]

Younger, hungrier and could catch him on upswing....probably not expensive either...I approve.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Gunter is a 6'5" 305 lb defensive linemen who has been in the league for four seasons. He came out of Delaware State and caught on with the Cardinals.

He had 6 TFL and 3.5 sacks in his first three seasons combined, but seems to have had a mini breakout last year with 11 and 4.5 respectively in 2018.

His physical makeup profiles as a 5T/3T, similar to Wilkerson. He's 27 and could be a target as a young, cheaper alternative to the veteran.

Additional stats: 10 starts, 641 defensive snaps (57.5%), 9 QB hits, 2 forced fumbles, 44 tackles, 32 solo.

PFF grade: 70.1, a scooch into the "above average" range.

He didn't "catch on" with AZ. He was the #118 pick, 4th. round in 2015 by the Cardinals.

That's a pretty productive 2018 season. A lot more productive than Daniels even adjusting for Daniels 419 defensive snaps. Unless there's some character issue I'd take a wild guess that he's still a free agent because of the 2nd. contract money he's asking for.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Packers won't draft Oliver. Everyone on twitter says his arms are too short and that Pettine likes long arms only

I don't know what they could get Gunter for, but Wilkerson wouldn't cost a ton either. Last year he signed 1yr deal for 5 mill and it would be a lot less than that this year.

Just a visit for Gunter...who knows what will happen. He better have long *** arms though if we sign him

Gunter's arms measured 33 3/8" which is a tad on a the short side for 6'5" guy but certainly no deal breaker.

If arm length were that important to Pettine then Lowry would have been cut, not given 698 defensive snaps last season, up from 496 in 2017. How short are Lowry's arms? So short (31") we were calling him T. Rex when he was drafted.

Minimum measurable criteria may apply when projecting college players, and all college players require projection. It's a way to de-risk certain aspects of their makeup given so many unknowns with these guys. Once they are vets that stuff goes out the window. It's about NFL productivity and what the pro tape shows.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Gunter's arms measured 33 3/8" which is a tad on a the short side for 6'5" guy but certainly no deal breaker.

If arm length were that important to Pettine then Lowry would have been cut, not given 698 defensive snaps last season, up from 496 in 2017. How short are Lowry's arms? So short (31") we were calling him T. Rex when he was drafted.

Minimum measurable criteria may apply when projecting college players, and all college players require projection. It's a way to de-risk certain aspects of their makeup given so many unknowns with these guys. Once they are vets that stuff goes out the window. It's about NFL productivity and what the pro tape shows.

Tell the people on twitter not me.

I'm down with Oliver and his "alligator arms"

 

[Deleted member 6794]

In my opinion Gunter would be a decent acquisition.

 

[HardRightEdge]

In my opinion Gunter would be a decent acquisition.

I agree, but with opportunities come costs. Let's break this down.

• The Packers just signed OG Billy Turner to a $7 mil per year backloaded contract based on a 2018 second half "breakout". 27 years old, 6th. year player. There's probably some premium in that deal for OT projection as at least an injury backup or even as a possible Bulaga replacement.

• Gunter is a 27 year, 5th. year DE/DT also with a 2018 "breakout". He fits the Gutekunst profile for this offseason's free agents: go young or go home with guys with a multi-year runway. Second contract guys command a premium for that runway.

• While Gunter is not a $7 mil per year player, lets say $5 mil/year for the sake of argument. He must be asking for something substantial or he'd be signed by now.

• Gutekunst has shot the *** on backloaded deals resulting in cap space for 2020 getting pretty tight. If we put an $8 mil 5th. year option on Clark, current 2020 cap commitments are $168 mil for 31 players with some notable FAs to be re-signed or replaced.

• With that tight cap situation for 2020, it stands to reason any FA signing of note going forward needs to have a flattish spread of cap over the duration of the deal. $5 mil for Gunter in 2019 would take up all of the usable cap space for 2019 leaving only $2 mil for PUP/IR reserve and minimal or no cap carryover to 2020 barring any upcoming cap savings cuts. Those cuts are dependent on what the draft yields.

• It stands to reason that a Gunter signing to such a deal would necessitate a cut to clear cap space as an offset if for no other reason than the carryover will become an issue in the not too distant future.

Who might that cut be? I'd suggest the possibility that Turner is viewed as a possible upgrade over Daniels considering:

• Daniels productivity has been in decline since the second half of 2017. He'll be 30 years old in a few weeks and he's coming off an injury-plagued season. For many players, when injuries follow age more injuries follow. And age following age is immutable. He is a high risk at his cost.

• Over his 419 defensive snaps in 2018, his stat line looks like this: 10 games, 9 starts, 2 sacks, 5 QB hits, 1 pass defended, 0 forced fumbles, 1 tackle for loss, 18 tackles, 10 solo. Unimpactful.

• Of the free agents likely go unsigned in the 2020 offseason Daniels is high on the list. That makes him the equivalent of a one year rent-a-player. If he were a free agent this season the Packers would surely let him walk or take a sharp pay cut over the previous contract.

• He has a $10.7 mil cap number for 2019 with cap savings of $8.3 mil. Does forgoing that potential savings represent good value for an aging and declining rent-a-player coming off an IR foot injury? If we're to be honest with ourselves we would conclude "no". Would you sign him to a 1 year, $8.3 mil deal if he were somebody else's free agent? No, you would not.

• I remain bothered by reports following the 2017 season that the previous coaching regime, i.e. Capers, was not happy with Daniels' habit of freelancing. Is he on the "accountability" list? Or instead did Pettine rein him in to "do your job" resulting in declining production? It is a matter of speculation but nagging nonetheless.

The chief argument for retaining Daniels is the "who else ya got?" factor. I would posit the possibility that Gunter is being looked at as a possible answer to that question. I'm sure a Daniels-out / Gunter-in move would be shocking to many fans. But it would not be much more shocking than Nelson-out / Graham-in.

I leave the door open to this possibility from now until after the draft if Gunter is not signed elsewhere in the mean time.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Tell the people on twitter not me.

I'm down with Oliver and his "alligator arms"

I never tell anybody on Twitter anything since I don't have an account and have no intention of ever having one. That cesspool just gets deeper and deeper.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

I never tell anybody on Twitter anything since I don't have an account and have no intention of ever having one. That cesspool just gets deeper and deeper.

Yeah, you get some real prize people anywhere on the internet though.

I was enjoying the small arms talk about Oliver though. I'd take Oliver with no arms over a few DT's some have rated high in this draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I used to be "anti Twitter", thinking it was just useless garble of belly aching and socializing. However, I discovered if you pick the right people to follow, you can get up to the minute breaking information on things you are interested in. Seems reporters use Twitter and other Social media more frequently than the old system of writing an article and having it published/posted.

 

[Dantés]

I used to be "anti Twitter", thinking it was just useless garble of belly aching and socializing. However, I discovered if you pick the right people to follow, you can get up to the minute breaking information on things you are interested in. Seems reporters use Twitter and other Social media more frequently than the old system of writing an article and having it published/posted.

You have to treat it less like social media and more like a news outlet. Don't wrangle with people in comment sections-- just consume the content from good accounts. If you do it that way, it's a positive experience.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You have to treat it less like social media and more like a news outlet. Don't wrangle with people in comment sections-- just consume the content from good accounts. If you do it that way, it's a positive experience.

Agreed. Once in awhile I have some fun and make comments and banter back and forth. Have even made a few "friends" doing it. But for the most part its my source for up to the minute breaking news from sources I trust and interest me.

 

[Dantés]

Yeah, you get some real prize people anywhere on the internet though.

I was enjoying the small arms talk about Oliver though. I'd take Oliver with no arms over a few DT's some have rated high in this draft.

Some jokes write themselves.

 

[HardRightEdge]

However, I discovered if you pick the right people to follow, you can get up to the minute breaking information on things you are interested in.

I don't put a lot value on "up to the minute" information in 280 bytes or less.

I like my information more circumspect, seasoned, curated and considered at greater length than a sound bite.

But that's just me.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well there are also some entertaining Tweets too. I saw this one the other day, couldn't link it here, so found it and the full version on YouTube. Now the short Tweeted version has everyone thinking this kid was so sweet, handing the cute girl the ball. But as you see and hear on the long Youtube version, that kid is slicker than slick! Don't be surprised to see him on the Presidential Ballot in 40 years!

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[OldSchool101]

Well there are also some entertaining Tweets too. I saw this one the other day, couldn't link it here, so found it and the full version on YouTube. Now the Tweeted version has everyone thinking this kid was so sweet, handing the cute girl the ball. But as you see and hear on the Youtube version, that kid is slicker than slick! Don't be surprised to see him on the Presidential Ballot in 40 years!

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Lol. 40 years! Absolutely not. Election after Next. He doesn’t need to be 35! they can just hold out on the birth certificate a few years again with the modern technology. He’ll be fine.

 

[Shaggy]

The Cards need to resign him! They better!