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<blockquote data-quote="elcid" data-source="post: 805915" data-attributes="member: 12360"><p>Well, basically all the qualities that I listed in my post I see in Wilson, or Brees or Luck for that matter. I would like to see Aaron have those qualities. Luckily, these can be trained.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh it most certainly does serve a purpose, with the purpose being to explore all possible avenues as to why things aren't working as they are supposed to work. Instead of just blatantly being waved away as 'false news.'</p><p></p><p></p><p>So let me get this straight, you like that Aaron can be condescending towards his teammates and you like that he is thin skinned (which means what exactly, the fact that he seems to give up on a game or his teammates fast? That he is hard to please? Or that he can't take criticism?) ?Furthermore you are saying that since Manning, Roethlisberger and Brady also partake in finger pointing to any place but their own, its fine if Rodgers does?</p><p></p><p>I dont believe anyone here has said that we have been losing DUE TO Aaron's diva tendencies, and I definitely won't be the first. What I do however acknowledge is that these tendencies have not helped the Packers by any means this season, when we had a lot of games where, instead of being (comfortably) in front by half time, we were looking at deficits.</p><p></p><p>And while of course Rodgers has performed at an absurdly high level, by no means are these accolades indications for leadership. He is just a great QB is all, with very nice stats and multiple awards. The fact that any character flaws Aaron may have hasn't been brought up by an anonymous 'inside' teammate (which I think is a huge step for any player to take) doesn't say anything either. What kind of tyrant would Aaron have to be in order to make one of his teammates do this right? Can't imagine what the next practice would look like. Such an event is extremely unlikely to happen imo because of the following:</p><p></p><p>First and foremost, because Aaron is number 1, one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game and the face of the historic Green Bay Packers franchise. You'd be better off being in his favour obviously. Especially for all the young kids who are more likely to be awed, Im sure Aaron can be intimidating. Young kids of which, for the record, the Packers have a ton.</p><p>Second; Like you said PackAttack12, in general it has been fun and games in Packernation for the last 8 years. We've won a lot and Aaron has not had the chance to sulk this much before, fortunately. This also means that players could not have experienced Rodgers on his worse as much prior to this season.</p><p>And lastly, people tend to accept character flaws more if they are from successful individuals. Especially when they are on their side. I had a guy in my field hockey team who was an absolute ***hole. No one enjoyed him, both on and off the field. But he got the job done for us, which made us tolerate his abysmal behavior more.</p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, a QB is a team captain. Notice the word TEAM. I don't want my captain to bring uncertainty and fear in the minds of my team members, but belief and hope. Because believe me, that is precisely what he does if he rolls his eyes to a late round rookie WR, who is forced into the lineup due to multiple injuries. At already an uncharacteristically pivotal moment in the season due to a bad start. But sure, no pressure MVS and ESB.</p><p></p><p>I want my captain to accept the responsibility of his own failing, and not always make it either someone else's fault or the fault of 'the team as a whole,' yet never solely his own. But also, I want my captain to alleviate the blame that one player or positional group might have and carry it over to the team, or even himself, failing in general. I know, silly right? No, THAT is leadership.</p><p></p><p>Im all fine with my coach being a tough son of a gun for my players. The coach is the guy that rattles you in order to make you work your butt of in the fear of losing your starting position, or even your job. And even him I'd expect to be supportive and encouraging come gameday.</p><p></p><p>Taking all this into consideration and the fact that often Aaron either changes the play on the field or abandons a play completely in order to 'be the hero' and go for it all (which to me is another sign of him not having any faith in his coaches or teammates), I'd still have to objectively come to the conclusion that Aaron is somewhat of a diva. By no means do I want him traded as he is very irreplaceable for the Packers. And by no means was this the reason we flunked the season. But it definitely is a problem worth addressing going forward.</p><p></p><p>To all Rodgers' faithful, here a good read posted on the first page of this thread by adambr2 in case you missed it: <a href="https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb" target="_blank">https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elcid, post: 805915, member: 12360"] Well, basically all the qualities that I listed in my post I see in Wilson, or Brees or Luck for that matter. I would like to see Aaron have those qualities. Luckily, these can be trained. Oh it most certainly does serve a purpose, with the purpose being to explore all possible avenues as to why things aren't working as they are supposed to work. Instead of just blatantly being waved away as 'false news.' So let me get this straight, you like that Aaron can be condescending towards his teammates and you like that he is thin skinned (which means what exactly, the fact that he seems to give up on a game or his teammates fast? That he is hard to please? Or that he can't take criticism?) ?Furthermore you are saying that since Manning, Roethlisberger and Brady also partake in finger pointing to any place but their own, its fine if Rodgers does? I dont believe anyone here has said that we have been losing DUE TO Aaron's diva tendencies, and I definitely won't be the first. What I do however acknowledge is that these tendencies have not helped the Packers by any means this season, when we had a lot of games where, instead of being (comfortably) in front by half time, we were looking at deficits. And while of course Rodgers has performed at an absurdly high level, by no means are these accolades indications for leadership. He is just a great QB is all, with very nice stats and multiple awards. The fact that any character flaws Aaron may have hasn't been brought up by an anonymous 'inside' teammate (which I think is a huge step for any player to take) doesn't say anything either. What kind of tyrant would Aaron have to be in order to make one of his teammates do this right? Can't imagine what the next practice would look like. Such an event is extremely unlikely to happen imo because of the following: First and foremost, because Aaron is number 1, one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game and the face of the historic Green Bay Packers franchise. You'd be better off being in his favour obviously. Especially for all the young kids who are more likely to be awed, Im sure Aaron can be intimidating. Young kids of which, for the record, the Packers have a ton. Second; Like you said PackAttack12, in general it has been fun and games in Packernation for the last 8 years. We've won a lot and Aaron has not had the chance to sulk this much before, fortunately. This also means that players could not have experienced Rodgers on his worse as much prior to this season. And lastly, people tend to accept character flaws more if they are from successful individuals. Especially when they are on their side. I had a guy in my field hockey team who was an absolute ***hole. No one enjoyed him, both on and off the field. But he got the job done for us, which made us tolerate his abysmal behavior more. At the end of the day, a QB is a team captain. Notice the word TEAM. I don't want my captain to bring uncertainty and fear in the minds of my team members, but belief and hope. Because believe me, that is precisely what he does if he rolls his eyes to a late round rookie WR, who is forced into the lineup due to multiple injuries. At already an uncharacteristically pivotal moment in the season due to a bad start. But sure, no pressure MVS and ESB. I want my captain to accept the responsibility of his own failing, and not always make it either someone else's fault or the fault of 'the team as a whole,' yet never solely his own. But also, I want my captain to alleviate the blame that one player or positional group might have and carry it over to the team, or even himself, failing in general. I know, silly right? No, THAT is leadership. Im all fine with my coach being a tough son of a gun for my players. The coach is the guy that rattles you in order to make you work your butt of in the fear of losing your starting position, or even your job. And even him I'd expect to be supportive and encouraging come gameday. Taking all this into consideration and the fact that often Aaron either changes the play on the field or abandons a play completely in order to 'be the hero' and go for it all (which to me is another sign of him not having any faith in his coaches or teammates), I'd still have to objectively come to the conclusion that Aaron is somewhat of a diva. By no means do I want him traded as he is very irreplaceable for the Packers. And by no means was this the reason we flunked the season. But it definitely is a problem worth addressing going forward. To all Rodgers' faithful, here a good read posted on the first page of this thread by adambr2 in case you missed it: [URL]https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/green-bay-packers-offense-problems-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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