NFL's MVP Honor

[XPack]

Brees won more games. He has more input into what that offense does to win games than Mahomes.

Wins are not a direct correlation to QB performance. His QBR rating is at par with Brees even during that period.
As to second part, it is a arbitrary comment. That offence is tailored for Mahomes and he thrives in it. I don't think Brees was individually more influential than Mahomes.

 

[XPack]

Glad you said that and not that things were on the rise.

Well, at least things have perked up in this this thread recently. Am glad for that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The MVP award in every sport is flawed due to no concrete guidelines being outlined. Does MVP equate to...player with best stats, player with best stats on team with highest winning %, popular player (household name) with best stats, popular player with decent stats on team with highest winning %, popular player with a track record of insane stats who gets injured early in the season and cannot play the season while the team then becomes the worst in the league, etc, etc, etc?

MVP winner should absolutely not be reserved for a playoff/high seed team.

Agree and all I know is someday I want to hear "The Super Bowl MVP goes to MVS", just has a nice ring to it.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Something is wrong with the voting system if Patrick Mahomes doesn't get the reward.

 

[Do7]

Something is wrong with the voting system if Patrick Mahomes doesn't get the reward.

If they give it to Brees, it's a lifetime achievement award. Then again last year it should've been splitted between Brady and Wentz.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Wins are not a direct correlation to QB performance. His QBR rating is at par with Brees even during that period.
As to second part, it is a arbitrary comment. That offence is tailored for Mahomes and he thrives in it. I don't think Brees was individually more influential than Mahomes.

Andy Reed calls the plays and Mahomes runs them. The kid is super quick mentally and will eventually control more of the offense as accomplished vets like Brees do.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Something is wrong with the voting system if Patrick Mahomes doesn't get the reward.

Fantasy football is not actual football.

If they give it to Brees, it's a lifetime achievement award. Then again last year it should've been splitted between Brady and Wentz.

Brees has had a truly outstanding season, one of the best in the history of the game. No "lifetime achievement" award is necessary. That's silly.

 

[Do7]

Fantasy football is not actual football.

Brees has had a truly outstanding season, one of the best in the history of the game. No "lifetime achievement" award is necessary. That's silly.

My point being is that Mahomes is handsdown the MVP this year. If Brees wins it, it's simply b/c Brees never won it. I can't think of any reason as to why he'd win it this year over Mahomes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can't think of any reason as to why he'd win it this year over Mahomes.

Because he receives more votes?

Anytime people are voting on a subjective thing, you are going to get a wide range of opinions, depending on what is important to the voter. I really haven't followed either Mahomes or Brees close enough to tell you who I think ticks the most boxes for me, but just based on the little that I have read, both could be considered as deserving of it.

 

[HardRightEdge]

My point being is that Mahomes is handsdown the MVP this year. If Brees wins it, it's simply b/c Brees never won it. I can't think of any reason as to why he'd win it this year over Mahomes.

I already told you. Because real football is not fantasy football which is why I would vote Brees if I had a vote. We'll see how much fantasy has polluted how the game is viewed when this vote comes in. It's already pretty poluted as it is.

 

[gbgary]

Andy Reid late fade tradition, KC has dropped 4 of their last 6.

Brees won more games. He has more input into what that offense does to win games than Mahomes. The vote is not for who has the best fantasy stats, though it would not surprise me if that's how the vote comes down.

Mahomes is a terrific talent, no doubt about that, and I would regard him as the best offensive player in the league this year, but not the most valuable player.

wins/loses isn't a qb stat. kc's loses are on their d.

 

[HardRightEdge]

wins/loses isn't a qb stat..

It is certainly one of them.

 

[FarmerPackerFan]

wins/loses isn't a qb stat. kc's loses are on their d.

While wins/losses are not a qb stat, they do play into the mvp voting, for example a few years ago when Cam Newton won MVP while the Panthers went 15-1, his individual stat line wasn't great (59.8% completion percentage, 3837 yards, 35td, 10 int for a 99.4 QBR. He did also have 10 rushing td's which played into it definitely, but I don't believe he would have come close to winning MVP without the Panthers being 15-1.

 

[Do7]

I already told you. Because real football is not fantasy football which is why I would vote Brees if I had a vote. We'll see how much fantasy has polluted how the game is viewed when this vote comes in. It's already pretty poluted as it is.

Funny you bring up fantasy football and stats, as typically I could make the same argument regarding Brees.

 

[HardRightEdge]

wins/loses isn't a qb stat. kc's loses are on their d.

Actually, KC lost 3 of their last 5. That nobody corrected me on that says something about how much attention is being paid to KC as a team instead of the fantasy stats.

In the Rams shootout, KC had the ball last with 50 seconds, 85 yards to go, one timeout. Tough situation, but it ended in a deep throw pick.

In the Chargers game, with 3:49 on the clock and a 7 point lead, KC went 3-and-out from their own 11 while burning only a minute. The series ended on a 3rd. and 12 sack. I'd have to look at the tape to see if Mahomes was supposed to change the play and progression in his head to hit an open receiver. Not getting a first down left too much time on the clock and opened the door for Rivers to take them down for the TD in 8 plays followed by the winning 2 point conversion. Rivers--another guy who should get a top 5 consideration at least for MVP.

Then they lost to Seattle. A tight game KC was in while getting scores in the 4th. quarter. While they were mostly undone by a couple of fumbles, they did have three 3-and-outs in the first 3 quarters, the kind of thing that sets fans here to howling about Rodgers.

The fact KC lost to 3 playoff teams coming down the stretch does not speak well for the team and, like it or not, that reflects on the QB.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Funny you bring up fantasy football and stats, as typically I could make the same argument regarding Brees.

But we're not talking about "typically" where he was not named MVP despite the stats. We're talking about this season where the stats and the wins make the case.

 

[Do7]

But we're not talking about "typically" where he was not named MVP despite the stats. We're talking about this season where the stats and the wins make the case.

Same argument could be made for Mahomes. I don't see your point.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Same argument could be made for Mahomes. I don't see your point.

KC is fading.

 

[Do7]

KC is fading.

NO isn't looking that impressive either, especially considering how Pittsburgh shot themselves in the foot, as well as a few questionable calls for them to win.

 

[OldSchool101]

But we're not talking about "typically" where he was not named MVP despite the stats. We're talking about this season where the stats and the wins make the case.

Rodgers won the MVP in 2011 and 2014. Aaron has 39 and 33 net passing TDs respectively. Mahomes has 43 in 2018 (and he’s not done!) in comparison. Bree’s has 27.
Aaron lost miserably in the Divisional to the Giants (2011 season) and we played in the NFC Championship game during the 2014 post season. In the NFC Championship game he got smothered and that’s a fact.
AR went 1TD 2INT for 178 yards passing with 55% completions. That’s a miserable game for any QB. The award has nothing directly to do with playoff standings or he would’ve never achieved either one. It’s based mainly on regular season production.

Drew Brees is a fine QB. One of my favorites all time. This isn’t an “all time” award. This is 2018 and that’s it.
Mahomes is obliterating the TD stats as a novice NFL caliber QB, unseen since Peyton Manning in his prime. 50 all purpose TDS? The season isn’t even over yet. Drew Bree’s is has 36 all purpose TDs.

If we base an award on QB wins, it’s a team award because the Defense plays a vital role in that outcome. This isn’t a Defensive debate we’re talking QBs here. Unless you pick a Defensive player? it’s purely opinion. Opinions don’t win awards.. TDs and accrued yardage are 2 of the 3 most important aspects of determining the value at the QB position which is our debate specifically.
The players with the most TDs have the greatest impact because that is the entire goal of the game (no pun) So that being said, yes, we absolutely and unequivocally have to look at individual performance stats.

Bree’s isn’t even close other than TD/INT ratio. If a QB had 11 total TDs and zero INTs does that ratio make him a MVP? Absolutely not it’s a ways down the list of value. Blindly, I’ll take 48 TDs and 10 INT over 32 TDs and 5 INTs anytime any season. The net result is 38>27. to back it up? Bree’s is near 800 yards behind Mahomes.
I appreciate and value your opinion but Mahomes blew away even Drew Bree’s in 2018. There’s a new Sherriff in town and James Arness himself would agree.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The award has nothing directly to do with playoff standings or he would’ve never achieved either one. It’s based mainly on regular season production.

Actually the MVP award is solely based on the regular season as it is voted upon before the start of the playoffs.