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[Sunshinepacker]

I don’t think you get how good Stafford is.

Nope, I absolutely do. He's good but not elite without an all-time great receiver.

 

[Do7]

Rodgers overthrew MVS twice and Lazard dropped a pass that would've been huge. I hope you guys harp on Lazard as you have been with MVS.

 

[XPack]

Rodgers overthrew MVS twice and Lazard dropped a pass that would've been huge. I hope you guys harp on Lazard as you have been with MVS.

Why? Lazarus still has been more effective than him till now .

Edit: good effort in getting that 1st down just as I was typing this.

 

[Do7]

Why? Lazarus still has been more effective than him till now .

Edit: good effort in getting that 1st down just as I was typing this.

That is debatable. I like Lazard, but let's not pretend he's had some drops as well.

 

[XPack]

That is debatable. I like Lazard, but let's not pretend he's had some drops as well.

You compared him with MVS and I replied that he obviously was a better player in that comparison. He came up big in a crucial game where MVS didn't. It crazy to even argue Lazarus was the better player in this game.

If a player has a drop in an otherwise good performance, he doesn't get stick as much. Not the case with MVS. He has some big game and many worse (mistakes or just insignificant) games.

 

[GleefulGary]

lmao.... go ahead and start that pathetic argument again if you want

Huh?

Who’s saying it?

 

[GleefulGary]

Nope, I absolutely do. He's good but not elite without an all-time great receiver.

Shocking news, but most players aren’t elite.

 

[GleefulGary]

MVS had a good game.

Tough drop on a tough catch (it was high), but he also made a nice catch on a ball thrown behind him. Was wide open and Rodgers overthrew him.

Otherwise was rock solid and ran hard after the catch. Good game.

 

[Do7]

You compared him with MVS and I replied that he obviously was a better player in that comparison. He came up big in a crucial game where MVS didn't. It crazy to even argue Lazarus was the better player in this game.

If a player has a drop in an otherwise good performance, he doesn't get stick as much. Not the case with MVS. He has some big game and many worse (mistakes or just insignificant) games.

In THIS game he came up big at the end and had the better game, but MVS had some opportunities had Rodgers not overthrown him the ball. But my POINT is that how people forgave Lazard after scoring a TD when he dropped one earlier. It's kinda the reverse thing with MVS when he scored a 72 yard TD against Chi, but people harp on him for dropping the other one. That's my point.

 

[PackAttack12]

MVS had a good game.

Tough drop on a tough catch (it was high), but he also made a nice catch on a ball thrown behind him. Was wide open and Rodgers overthrew him.

Otherwise was rock solid and ran hard after the catch. Good game.

Yeah Rodgers definitely overthrew him at the goal line. But that catch he made behind him was highly impressive.

 

[swhitset]

In THIS game he came up big at the end and had the better game, but MVS had some opportunities had Rodgers not overthrown him the ball. But my POINT is that how people forgave Lazard after scoring a TD when he dropped one earlier. It's kinda the reverse thing with MVS when he scored a 72 yard TD against Chi, but people harp on him for dropping the other one. That's my point.

I get what you are saying here... but I don’t really think it’s completely accurate. Lazzard managed to build a reputation of being fairly reliable. It’s only natural that people are going to cut him some slack. MVS on the other hand has been up and down and frustrated a lot of people. Fair or not fans can be brutal.

 

[tynimiller]

It is insane how ignorant folks are coming after MVS after literally have an excellent game, arguably his best when it comes to receiving.

 

[PackAttack12]

It is insane how ignorant folks are coming after MVS after literally have an excellent game, arguably his best when it comes to receiving.

In fairness it's a very small number of people.

 

[swhitset]

It is insane how ignorant folks are coming after MVS after literally have an excellent game, arguably his best when it comes to receiving.

How many people are really going after him though?... He didn’t play a perfect game obviously.... but it was certainly a decent game for him or really any player.

 

[Do7]

How many people are really going after him though?... He didn’t play a perfect game obviously.... but it was certainly a decent game for him or really any player.

Right, but it's like you even said. People aren't being fair. MVS had a very good game against Chi and still people harped on him for missing a catch. He had a quiet game today though, but he had some clutch moments.

 

[swhitset]

Right, but it's like you even said. People aren't being fair. MVS had a very good game against Chi and still people harped on him for missing a catch. He had a quiet game today though, but he had some clutch moments.

As I said he had a decent game today... not sure why we are dredging up the past to emphasize a point that I really don’t see occurring today.

 

[tynimiller]

As I said he had a decent game today... not sure why we are dredging up the past to emphasize a point that I really don’t see occurring today.

Correct he played even more lights out today than that game even.

 

[swhitset]

Correct he played even more lights out today than that game even.

lol ....subtle

 

[sschind]

MVS had a good game.

Tough drop on a tough catch (it was high), but he also made a nice catch on a ball thrown behind him. Was wide open and Rodgers overthrew him.

Otherwise was rock solid and ran hard after the catch. Good game.

I wouldn't call that a drop.

 

[GleefulGary]

I wouldn't call that a drop.

I’m being generous to his plethora of haters.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Now where does he rank among receivers drafted after the top 100?

MVS ranks eighth among receivers drafted after the top 100 in receptions and fourth in yards.

Would Devon Funchess fit the bill? You recall, the guy penciled in as #2 before he did the Covid opt out thingy.

While Funchess wouldn't have been an ideal #2 receiver he would have made me feel more comfortable about the talent level at the position.

Decent LOL. The dude was a Day 3 pick...since 2015 let's talk about how many WRs have been drafted...and look at more than just targets, look at yards, yards per reception, catch %, snaps, games active and such. Even the one stat you listed doesn't illustrate decent, it illustrates well above decent - especially when weighed to a 5th round pick. 48 out of 197 drafted guys. That is just 48th when discussing targets, no receptions, not yards, not yards per catch or yards per target or anything but one small blip and even for a bottom of the 5th WR to be in the top 25% over a 5 year window is way more than someone should logically expect - the crazy thing is if he bumps his catching percentage up just 5% the dude would leap a ton more in many categories given the type of targets he typically receives.

First of all I was talking about receptions and not targets. In addition only 117 wide receivers were drafted from 2015 to '18. Among those MVS is ranked 30th in receptions, 22nd in yards, fifth in yards per reception and 76th in catch percentage. While that might account for something better than decent you shouldn't focus on the word I used to describe him but concentrate you my main point which is that he shouldn't be the #2 receiver on a Super Bowl contender.

The one thing is though, most that despise MVS or feel he is worthless do so baseless of facts.

Utterly worthless, should cut him before the game starts today.

Nobody has mentioned anything about MVS being worthless. You're just making that up.

Does anybody consider MVS in a class with those guys? Again, you’re making up an argument to fit what you want to hear.

You're hate towards our WR situation is shining through and clouding reason. Not a single person would ever place MVS in that discussion, not even close. Because he is a rare case of way over shooting your draft spot, doesn't mean others haven't done it even more so....smh

He’s not as good as some of the best wrs drafted in the later rounds ever! What a friggin bum!

If you don't agree with me categorizing MVS as a decent receiver who should I compare him to other than the best WRs being selected in the fifth round or later??? Otherwise it might be fair to call him decent.

Right, but it's like you even said. People aren't being fair. MVS had a very good game against Chi and still people harped on him for missing a catch.

MVS had a great catch vs. the Bears and a terrible drop. Overall it wasn't a very good game as aside of the long TD reception he only had another catch.

 

[longtimefan]

Right, but it's like you even said. People aren't being fair. MVS had a very good game against Chi and still people harped on him for missing a catch. He had a quiet game today though, but he had some clutch moments.

People only look at the surface. Forget they are graded by entire game..run blocking is included.

I have a sneaky feeling if coaches really thought mvs was as bad as people here do, he wouldnt get as many chances.

Kumerow..he didnt get as many chances and is gone..

His drops are more noticed because it SEEMS they could be td.

When Tae was dropping I dont believe it was for tds.

 

[GleefulGary]

If you don't agree with me categorizing MVS as a decent receiver who should I compare him to other than the best WRs being selected in the fifth round or later??? Otherwise it might be fair to call him decent.



MVS had a great catch vs. the Bears and a terrible drop. Overall it wasn't a very good game as aside of the long TD reception he only had another catch.

Except that’s not what you, or I, said Captain.


captainWIMM said: ↑
There's no doubt MVS has made a decent impact considering he was drafted in the fifth round. He shouldn't be the second best receiver on a team competing for a Super Bowl though.


I then responded that decent is an understatement considering where he was drafted. An bc the statement was about impact, I’m undoubtedly right.

As for the rest of your question, there is ground in between “decent” and “best”. I would suggest looking there.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Shocking news, but most players aren’t elite.

Insightful. I don't think spending a 1st round pick on Stafford to ride the bench for 3 years while the team is playing for Supper Bowls. I also think it's silly to pretend the Packers won't have any chances at decent prospects for 3 more years if they had waited.

 

[GleefulGary]

Insightful. I don't think spending a 1st round pick on Stafford to ride the bench for 3 years while the team is playing for Supper Bowls. I also think it's silly to pretend the Packers won't have any chances at decent prospects for 3 more years if they had waited.

Time will tell.

Finding a good QB is hard.