Letting go of Hayward and Hyde

[XPack]

Surely this must be the most stupidest decision in hindsight of recent history.

Hayward left us in after 2015 season and made probowl in 2017 and 2018
Hyde left us after 2016 season and made probowl in 2018

While we were 'developing' the likes of Randall and Rollins.

Had we retained them, we could better use the high draft picks for someone else and who knows how things would have turned out.

 

[Poppa San]

Hindsight is always perfect as are other what-if scenarios. Rollins don't get injured and actually continues to develop. Shields doesn't develop concussion syndrome. Sean Richardson doesn't have neck issues, Sam Barrington stays healthy.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah. That was the final nail in the coffin for Dom Capers. The probability of cutting 2 players and having them make 3 Probowl appearances out of 4 total possible is historic in nature. It showed the world that Dom Capers had clearly lost his mojo and it was time to move on from him.

 

[XPack]

Hindsight is always perfect as are other what-if scenarios. Rollins don't get injured and actually continues to develop. Shields doesn't develop concussion syndrome. Sean Richardson doesn't have neck issues, Sam Barrington stays healthy.

None of the others turned out as bad as those two. If we had retained one if not both, it'd really be 2 years saved....notwithstanding AR12 injury season.

I'd say that was the turning point from success to struggling...which we are still in process of recovery...3 years later.

 

[thequick12]

Randall is actually a pretty good free safety he's just a bit of a headcase. And Rollins may have been a good safety but he wasn't given the chance. Obviously now we'd all prefer the Packers had those 2 players but at the time I don't think many people thought it was worth the money to resign either. Yeah if you could of traded Dix and resigned Hyde instead a few years ago that would have been a much better move. But unfortunately the end who cares because what happened, happened and that what it is

 

[Do7]

Yeah. That was the final nail in the coffin for Dom Capers. The probability of cutting 2 players and having them make 3 Probowl appearances out of 4 total possible is historic in nature. It showed the world that Dom Capers had clearly lost his mojo and it was time to move on from him.

Was it Dom Capers that cut them or was it Ted Thompson?

During his time in Green Bay, we saw flashes of Hayward's potential, but with the addition of Randall, and Rollins who had pretty respectable rookie seasons, and I believe Hayward was coming off an injury, he kinda got lost in the shuffle. Then again based on how he emerged as arguably one of the best corners in the league after leaving Green Bay, you definitely have to ask the question if he was being utilized to his full potential.

As for Hyde, Idk what the heck they were thinking letting him go.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

2015 draft killed this team

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Hyde and Hayward have zero interceptions on the year. Without an elite pass rush, Hayward may have come down to earth. And Hyde had one tackle last week as they were blown out by the Bears. I'd rather have the players we have right now than two overpriced castaways.

 

[7thFloorRA]

I'd rather have a healthy Hayward but the Packers insist on employing the horse crap strength coach who has blown the hamstring and groin on just about every single wr, db and lb that has ever been on the team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Surely this must be the most stupidest decision in hindsight of recent history.

Hayward left us in after 2015 season and made probowl in 2017 and 2018
Hyde left us after 2016 season and made probowl in 2018

While we were 'developing' the likes of Randall and Rollins.

Had we retained them, we could better use the high draft picks for someone else and who knows how things would have turned out.

While it can be fun to talk hypotheticals, "nothing is absolute", epsecially when it comes to Football players. People like to point to what other players do elsewhere and hold it against the Packers. Are you 100% sure that those players would have had the same success in Green Bay? Too many factors that can influence it. Coaches, scheme, teammates, injuries, schedule, etc. Had Ron Wolf not traded with Atlanta for Brett Favre, would he have ended up being the great player that he turned out to be?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Surely this must be the most stupidest decision in hindsight of recent history.

Hayward left us in after 2015 season and made probowl in 2017 and 2018
Hyde left us after 2016 season and made probowl in 2018

While we were 'developing' the likes of Randall and Rollins.

Had we retained them, we could better use the high draft picks for someone else and who knows how things would have turned out.

Thompson didn't have the benefit of using hindsight to make a decision. It was the right decision to let both Hayward and Hyde walk away in free agency at that time though.

Yeah. That was the final nail in the coffin for Dom Capers. The probability of cutting 2 players and having them make 3 Probowl appearances out of 4 total possible is historic in nature. It showed the world that Dom Capers had clearly lost his mojo and it was time to move on from him.

It wasn't Capers making the decision not to re-sign Hayward and Hyde.

Hyde and Hayward have zero interceptions on the year. Without an elite pass rush, Hayward may have come down to earth. And Hyde had one tackle last week as they were blown out by the Bears. I'd rather have the players we have right now than two overpriced castaways.

While Hayward and Hyde currently don't perform at their elite level of last season they have been pretty good in 2018 as well.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Thompson didn't have the benefit of using hindsight to make a decision. It was the right decision to let both Hayward and Hyde walk away in free agency at that time though.



It wasn't Capers making the decision not to re-sign Hayward and Hyde.



While Hayward and Hyde currently don't perform at their elite level of last season they have been pretty good in 2018 as well.

I just can't agree with this at all. If we had just one second year player, I could understand. But Shields was missing games every single year, so we were all but assured to put the fate of the defense on 2 young players at some point. We paid Starks around $3M AFAIK; we couldn't have shelled out a little more for Hayward, who was the best CB that we had at the time? It is disgusting how much draft capital has gone into the secondary, and how little we have to show for it. The FO and coaching staff being unable to figure out that group has put this entire team in a hole.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I just can't agree with this at all. If we had just one second year player, I could understand. But Shields was missing games every single year, so we were all but assured to put the fate of the defense on 2 young players at some point. We paid Starks around $3M AFAIK; we couldn't have shelled out a little more for Hayward, who was the best CB that we had at the time? It is disgusting how much draft capital has gone into the secondary, and how little we have to show for it. The FO and coaching staff being unable to figure out that group has put this entire team in a hole.

The secondary was a perceived strength of the team entering the 2016 offseason. I don't remember any posters advocating to re-sign Hayward at that point. In hindsight it would have been the right move to bring him back, but once again, Thompson didn't have that benefit at the time he had to make a decision.

 

[gopkrs]

Thompson didn't have the benefit of using hindsight to make a decision. It was the right decision to let both Hayward and Hyde walk away in free agency at that time though.



It wasn't Capers making the decision not to re-sign Hayward and Hyde.



While Hayward and Hyde currently don't perform at their elite level of last season they have been pretty good in 2018 as well.

I cannot believe the GM makes these decisions totally on his own w/o input from the DC and the position coach. If they have strong feelings one way or the other and are willing to put themselves on the line (which they should); then... But we move forward and seem to be making some Gute decisions.

 

[swhitset]

The secondary was a perceived strength of the team entering the 2016 offseason. I don't remember any posters advocating to re-sign Hayward at that point. In hindsight it would have been the right move to bring him back, but once again, Thompson didn't have that benefit at the time he had to make a decision.

Agreed. This has been discussed ad nauseum ... i’m pretty sure there is nothing left of the horse to beat.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I cannot believe the GM makes these decisions totally on his own w/o input from the DC and the position coach. If they have strong feelings one way or the other and are willing to put themselves on the line (which they should); then.

While the coaching staff definitely had some input Thompson made it pretty clear on several occasions that he was the one making final decisions.