Letroy Guion expected to sign 1 yr deal with Pack

[AKCheese]

I don't understand people writing Raji off. He was a starter when he got hurt, he's not "old", if he's rehabbing and staying in shape I don't see why he doesn't have several good years left in the NFL, hopefully as a Packer!

 

[Mondio]

I"m skeptical on Raji. He came in and performed well early, then fell off and fell of a lot. I watched him and he was consistently getting blown off the ball and not because of double teams. He reportedly was playing better this year, but we never really got to see it before he was injured.

I questioned his commitment to the team and the effort he wanted to put forth. I'm not going to blame a person for putting an injury abovve the team, because it certainly isn't my place to make the decision, but a lot of other players have played a season with that injury and played at a very high level. more than a few have played multiple seasons with it, bcause if it's not surgically repaired quickly, there isn't anything more to do with it. He chose to collect his check again rather than prove anything to the team. I do question his motivation, because I haven't seen it in years and a lot of dollars have already flowed his way.

and that might sound catastrophic, but in reality, once the pain of the biceps tendon tear is gone, it's really a very adaptable injury and the brachialis easily picks up the slack. It's the primary mover of forearm flexion anyway. The bicep, for all it's glory, is a rather insignificant muscle in the grand scheme of things.

 

[adambr2]

I don't understand people writing Raji off. He was a starter when he got hurt, he's not "old", if he's rehabbing and staying in shape I don't see why he doesn't have several good years left in the NFL, hopefully as a Packer!

Raji was one of the worst 'starters' in the NFL in 2013. No exaggeration. He constantly failed to disengage blockers and no longer ever commanded double teams. The run D hasn't been good with Raji in the middle in a long, long time.

Also, we haven't seen anything from Raji his entire career to suggest that staying in shape is a priority to him.

 

[TeamTundra]

What do you guys think of the Cardinals NT Dan Williams? He is still relatively young, had
Played well the past few years and could probably be signed for around $4 million per
Year.

 

[AKCheese]

I"m skeptical on Raji. He came in and performed well early, then fell off and fell of a lot. I watched him and he was consistently getting blown off the ball and not because of double teams. He reportedly was playing better this year, but we never really got to see it before he was injured.

I questioned his commitment to the team and the effort he wanted to put forth. I'm not going to blame a person for putting an injury abovve the team, because it certainly isn't my place to make the decision, but a lot of other players have played a season with that injury and played at a very high level. more than a few have played multiple seasons with it, bcause if it's not surgically repaired quickly, there isn't anything more to do with it. He chose to collect his check again rather than prove anything to the team. I do question his motivation, because I haven't seen it in years and a lot of dollars have already flowed his way.

and that might sound catastrophic, but in reality, once the pain of the biceps tendon tear is gone, it's really a very adaptable injury and the brachialis easily picks up the slack. It's the primary mover of forearm flexion anyway. The bicep, for all it's glory, is a rather insignificant muscle in the grand scheme of things.

Not being a doctor specializing in that field AND be being privy to all the precise information regarding his exact injury I can't comment intelligently as to whether or not he could have played effectively or not, nor do I know whose decision it was to sit the year. The guy was seriously injured on the job

 

[AKCheese]

Raji was one of the worst 'starters' in the NFL in 2013. No exaggeration. He constantly failed to disengage blockers and no longer ever commanded double teams. The run D hasn't been good with Raji in the middle in a long, long time.

Also, we haven't seen anything from Raji his entire career to suggest that staying in shape is a priority to him.

Raji played outside most of the time in 2013....he was moving back to the middle this year and apparently the team was happy with his performance.

 

[Carl]

Raji was one of the worst 'starters' in the NFL in 2013. No exaggeration. He constantly failed to disengage blockers and no longer ever commanded double teams. The run D hasn't been good with Raji in the middle in a long, long time.

Also, we haven't seen anything from Raji his entire career to suggest that staying in shape is a priority to him.

Yeah, he's a big guy, but early in his career he was clearly in good enough shape to be good at his position.

 

[RepStar15]

Not being a doctor specializing in that field AND be being privy to all the precise information regarding his exact injury I can't comment intelligently as to whether or not he could have played effectively or not, nor do I know whose decision it was to sit the year. The guy was seriously injured on the job

I am an athletic trainer. A biceps tear is a pretty serious surgery that requires approximately 3-6 months recovery time and varies depending on whether or not the tear was at the origin of the bicep at the shoulder or insertion at the elbow. Typically, if it occurred at the shoulder, it would not require surgery. Given the circumstance of a professional athlete, they would and post-surgically would require about 2-3 months for full recovery. Most likely, it was a distal biceps tear at the elbow, which is a little more serious and could take up to 6 months to return to full throttle activity. My biggest concern health-wise as a result of the injury is weight. Being inactive for 3-6 months will result in massive muscle atrophy and weight gain. He was slow to begin with and if hes any slower it will not help improve the run stop the Packer's need. Unless they can get him for under 1 million, I do not think this would be a smart move for TT.

 

[adambr2]

Raji played outside most of the time in 2013....he was moving back to the middle this year and apparently the team was happy with his performance.

Yes I know he was outside in 2013. He was even worse there. I simply meant he hasn't been either inside, or effective, in years. I should have worded that better, but he wasn't effective against the run last time he played NT as a regular position in 2011.

I'm not sure what performance you're referring to that the team was happy with. His 2010 performance? Just because they signed him back on a 1 year prove it deal doesn't mean they were happy with his performance in 2013.

 

[Half Empty]

That's exactly my argument, pot is a plant, it occurs in nature, how do you make that illegal? Humans do some really stupid stuff

Must have been another forum, so if this is a repeat, please forgive, but are you saying that if it's natural, it's safe?

 

[AKCheese]

I am an athletic trainer. A biceps tear is a pretty serious surgery that requires approximately 3-6 months recovery time and varies depending on whether or not the tear was at the origin of the bicep at the shoulder or insertion at the elbow. Typically, if it occurred at the shoulder, it would not require surgery. Given the circumstance of a professional athlete, they would and post-surgically would require about 2-3 months for full recovery. Most likely, it was a distal biceps tear at the elbow, which is a little more serious and could take up to 6 months to return to full throttle activity. My biggest concern health-wise as a result of the injury is weight. Being inactive for 3-6 months will result in massive muscle atrophy and weight gain. He was slow to begin with and if hes any slower it will not help improve the run stop the Packer's need. Unless they can get him for under 1 million, I do not think this would be a smart move for TT.

As I said, we really have no idea what his specific medical situation is or was, and I'm sure there are medical doctors who specialize in exactly these kinds of injuries involved here. If you're an athletic trainer I'm sure you know there are a lot of things that can be done to not only rehab the injury, but also maintain the rest of the body. I agree if Raji is brought back it'll be for a one year low number deal. Lot of talent there that has performed at a very high level in the past.

 

[AKCheese]

Must have been another forum, so if this is a repeat, please forgive, but are you saying that if it's natural, it's safe?

There are a LOT of things that occur in nature that are not "safe" . Lots of plants out there will kill you if ingested.

 

[AKCheese]

Yes I know he was outside in 2013. He was even worse there. I simply meant he hasn't been either inside, or effective, in years. I should have worded that better, but he wasn't effective against the run last time he played NT as a regular position in 2011.

I'm not sure what performance you're referring to that the team was happy with. His 2010 performance? Just because they signed him back on a 1 year prove it deal doesn't mean they were happy with his performance in 2013.

Well he was on the roster and starting this year so I would say that means Green Bay was happy with what they were seeing out of him, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the roster much less starting.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Agreed on how crazy the draft is, but we all know TT and how safe he plays it, Shelton would have to slip way down and not cost the Packers much to trade up a few spots to grab him, I just don't see it happening. Some aren't sold on Shelton even being a first rounder, but his stock has gone up and for whatever reason, many scouts have pegged him in that top 10 area. Plus I think our greater need (depending on Raji and FA's) is ILB. IMO of course

Shelton's stock went up from a 20-ish pick to a 10-ish pick because his Senior Bowl week. He's out of reach. Carl Davis out of Iowa also improved his stock that week to low 1st. round to 2nd. round. In the game itself, Shelton made some nice plays; Davis not so much.

I was a lot more impressed with the O-Line talent than the D-Linemen or LBs in that game.

The QBs were so bad we did not get a good look at the receivers or DBs. It seems the QB talent for the pro-style game gets worse and worse every year as spread/option gets more entrenched at the college and high school level. Who can tell which guys will adapt to the speed of the NFL game and develop the timing to work a progression.

The guys who showed up for the game were the O-Linemen and running backs.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't understand people writing Raji off. He was a starter when he got hurt, he's not "old", if he's rehabbing and staying in shape I don't see why he doesn't have several good years left in the NFL, hopefully as a Packer!

I'm not keen on Raji coming back because he went 2 years with a sack despite playing around 70% of the snaps, and in 2013 he didn't get off any blocks. In short, he wasn't tackling anybody, which is kind of an issue.

 

[King of Jeans]

Maybe we could get a replacement for Raji / Letroy in the draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Letroy Guion's past may offer some context on present:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/291045971.html

 

[Mondio]

What if he was just being Sir-Smoke-A_LotClaus for his friends and family. He filled up his big sac full of weed and his playoff bonus money and was going to distribute bills and bags to everyone back home. I actually would buy that over him being a weed dealer. That just makes no sense with him about to cash in as a free agent. What is the street value of half a pound? 2k or so from what I googled. It just doesn't add up. I like my theory.

This is starting to look a little more plausible

Letroy Guion's past may offer some context on present:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/291045971.html

If the gun was newly bought and unfired and had no ammo, then why are they trying to paint a picture that isn't there? He may as well have had a Fishing rod that was a birthday present for someone, it has about the same relevance.

If it checks out with the money and cashing checks to give to family, good for him for taking care of family. To me it sounds more plausible than he's a drug dealer, as someone is not going to distribute 2 thousand dollars worth of dope with almost 200 thousand dollars in cash on them. and unless he was driving a SUV filled with dope and those were just the last 2 packages, he had left to sell, he didn't just make that cash selling dope either.

I'm going to hold off a while on making any final judgements. I suspect the Packers organization is too.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am an athletic trainer. A biceps tear is a pretty serious surgery that requires approximately 3-6 months recovery time and varies depending on whether or not the tear was at the origin of the bicep at the shoulder or insertion at the elbow. Typically, if it occurred at the shoulder, it would not require surgery. Given the circumstance of a professional athlete, they would and post-surgically would require about 2-3 months for full recovery. Most likely, it was a distal biceps tear at the elbow, which is a little more serious and could take up to 6 months to return to full throttle activity.

According to an article on the Press Gazette´s website Raji´s muscle had to be reattached to his elbow.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No matter what his intentions are/were, it still doesn't add up to a very bright move on his part. The 3 items as a whole add up to a big red flag, along with his behavior. I think one of the most telling things that happened and shows the mentality of some, was his yelling at the cop "Do you know who I am?" That may have worked in the 60's and 70's, but it doesn't matter who you are these days.

 

[adambr2]

Well he was on the roster and starting this year so I would say that means Green Bay was happy with what they were seeing out of him, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the roster much less starting.

How do we know if he would have made the roster, much less be starting? He didn't even make it out of training camp healthy.

I think he would have but it doesn't mean they were happy with his performance, just that they may have not had better options. They were just hoping he could rediscover his old form, but he certainly did nothing in 2013 to inspire confidence that he would.

 

[RepStar15]

We also can't forget about Khyri Thornton that was placed on IR a few days before the season began.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We also can't forget about Khyri Thornton that was placed on IR a few days before the season began.

Thornton was terrible in camp and his season ending injury probably saved him of being cut.

 

[RepStar15]

Thornton was terrible in camp and his season ending injury probably saved him of being cut.

Was he terrible because he had a hamstring strain that later turned into a complete tear? MM said he was fast for a big boy and just needed to learn the system. If he did the smart thing in his offseason, he studied Dom Caper's defense a little better. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

 

[Mondio]

Thornton was terrible in camp and his season ending injury probably saved him of being cut.

I think it's exactly why he was put on IR. They saw something in college, but he didn't show anything in camp. Maybe he was overwhelmed. Under prepared. Not ready physically, mentally, but something was missing. He was hurt, so they IR'd him and give him a year to get it right. But he showed nothing to even warrant a roster spot and I think he would have been cut if he could not have been put on IR.