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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 878875"><p>Here's a piece that hits on the key points from scouts's perspectives.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/24/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-2005-nfl-draft" target="_blank">https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/24/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-2005-nfl-draft</a></p><p></p><p>Arm strength was a <em><strong>perceived</strong></em> issue which in retrospect it was not. I don't think I've heard a scout or GM say, "this guy has all the tools except arm strength but but we can fix that." That's because it doesn't happen except at the margins with some mechanical adjustments. It is expected that what you buy is what you get.</p><p></p><p>I believe the key reasons scouts were put off by Rodgers were 1) he was thought to be merely a product of the Tedford system at Cal and (2) the unconventional QB mechanics that Tedford taught:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Lande: [Tedford] was just such a brilliant quarterback coach. He’s been able to mask flaws in other quarterbacks that failed in the NFL [<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2900" target="_blank">Trent Dilfer</a>, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4651" target="_blank">Akili Smith</a>, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5887" target="_blank">David Carr</a>, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5889" target="_blank">Joey Harrington</a>, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6355" target="_blank">Kyle Boller</a>], which is a red flag for NFL teams. Because of him playing in that system, you rarely saw Aaron have to manipulate the defense with his eyes. You rarely saw him have to move safeties, things like that. … [Other] scouts I talked to had concerns about arm strength, which was not something I was concerned with.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Lyman: People ripped on [Rodgers] for [holding] the ball too high. … [It] allowed him to have a quicker release, and to me [the criticism] did not make any sense."</li> </ul><p>The pros hate that ball position at the ear. You don't see any QBs in the pros who do that. Changing mechanics is a risky business and when mechanical flaws are detected a discount has to be applied to the prospect. There's actually a good reason for the pros hating that and why you don't see any pro QBs with that ball position. It's fine for standing in a clean pocket making short throws in a spread-like offense, but as soon as the QB has to move to throw it inhibits mobility and is unnatural. Try it. Do little jog around your den with both hands at your ear vs. chest or waist. Now do it imaging the ball is one hand.</p><p></p><p>So, who fixed Rodgers mechanics, a guy who throws from more platforms, arm angles and body positions than anybody you can think of? Maybe not quite as many as before the put that plate in his shoulder, but that's a topic for another time. Favre sure didn't "fix" him. Was it McCarthy? Nope.</p><p></p><p>Rodgers has said the mechanical transition was easy because he'd never used those Tedford mechanics until he got Cal. There is a reason to believe him. He went to the unfamiliar Tedford mechanics and made starter in the 5th. game of his first season at Cal. If that transition was fairly easy there's no reason to think swithching back to something familiar would be all that hard. Rodgers may have exaggerated a tad--he was still showing with some high ball postion in his first preseason but it evaporated pretty quickly. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Mayock: It’s a little bit similar to the conversations we have today about the quarterbacks coming out of spread offenses. We need “meaningful throws,” throws that aren’t bubble screens. I remember charting a lot of Aaron Rodgers’s throws, and a big percentage were within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, which is similar to today’s spread. And … there was some criticism of the Tedford quarterbacks. They were system quarterbacks."</li> </ul><p>The arm strength rap was a function of Rodgers not being called upon to use it. Here's the funny thing about all this--Smith who went #1 wasn't scouted to have a big arm and he played in short throw offense. That takes you full circle back to being Tedford system failures in the pros and the Tedford mechanics.</p><p></p><p>A couple of things not mentioned here that might have also factored into the thinking of some of the GMs that passed on Rodgers:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He's only 6'2". More so then than now, the picture of the elite QB prospect in the dictionary was 6'5", better to see and throw over the line. Brees had just come off his first good season in his 4th. year. He might have been perceived as a one-off or a guy without staying power. It wasn't until Wilson that the thinking on this started to bend in some quarters. Think about height on a spectrum of risks; 6'2" at that time would have to be discounted.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rodgers tends toward the introspective, inner-directed. He might not have impressed some GMs as sufficiently rah-rah, too laid back, lacking competitive fire. Note the Packers did not even interview him so "personality" that is explored in the interview process evidently did not factor in. </li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 878875"] Here's a piece that hits on the key points from scouts's perspectives. [URL]https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/24/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-2005-nfl-draft[/URL] Arm strength was a [I][B]perceived[/B][/I] issue which in retrospect it was not. I don't think I've heard a scout or GM say, "this guy has all the tools except arm strength but but we can fix that." That's because it doesn't happen except at the margins with some mechanical adjustments. It is expected that what you buy is what you get. I believe the key reasons scouts were put off by Rodgers were 1) he was thought to be merely a product of the Tedford system at Cal and (2) the unconventional QB mechanics that Tedford taught: [LIST] [*]"Lande: [Tedford] was just such a brilliant quarterback coach. He’s been able to mask flaws in other quarterbacks that failed in the NFL [[URL='http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2900']Trent Dilfer[/URL], [URL='http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4651']Akili Smith[/URL], [URL='http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5887']David Carr[/URL], [URL='http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5889']Joey Harrington[/URL], [URL='http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6355']Kyle Boller[/URL]], which is a red flag for NFL teams. Because of him playing in that system, you rarely saw Aaron have to manipulate the defense with his eyes. You rarely saw him have to move safeties, things like that. … [Other] scouts I talked to had concerns about arm strength, which was not something I was concerned with. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]"Lyman: People ripped on [Rodgers] for [holding] the ball too high. … [It] allowed him to have a quicker release, and to me [the criticism] did not make any sense." [/LIST] The pros hate that ball position at the ear. You don't see any QBs in the pros who do that. Changing mechanics is a risky business and when mechanical flaws are detected a discount has to be applied to the prospect. There's actually a good reason for the pros hating that and why you don't see any pro QBs with that ball position. It's fine for standing in a clean pocket making short throws in a spread-like offense, but as soon as the QB has to move to throw it inhibits mobility and is unnatural. Try it. Do little jog around your den with both hands at your ear vs. chest or waist. Now do it imaging the ball is one hand. So, who fixed Rodgers mechanics, a guy who throws from more platforms, arm angles and body positions than anybody you can think of? Maybe not quite as many as before the put that plate in his shoulder, but that's a topic for another time. Favre sure didn't "fix" him. Was it McCarthy? Nope. Rodgers has said the mechanical transition was easy because he'd never used those Tedford mechanics until he got Cal. There is a reason to believe him. He went to the unfamiliar Tedford mechanics and made starter in the 5th. game of his first season at Cal. If that transition was fairly easy there's no reason to think swithching back to something familiar would be all that hard. Rodgers may have exaggerated a tad--he was still showing with some high ball postion in his first preseason but it evaporated pretty quickly. [LIST] [*]"Mayock: It’s a little bit similar to the conversations we have today about the quarterbacks coming out of spread offenses. We need “meaningful throws,” throws that aren’t bubble screens. I remember charting a lot of Aaron Rodgers’s throws, and a big percentage were within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, which is similar to today’s spread. And … there was some criticism of the Tedford quarterbacks. They were system quarterbacks." [/LIST] The arm strength rap was a function of Rodgers not being called upon to use it. Here's the funny thing about all this--Smith who went #1 wasn't scouted to have a big arm and he played in short throw offense. That takes you full circle back to being Tedford system failures in the pros and the Tedford mechanics. A couple of things not mentioned here that might have also factored into the thinking of some of the GMs that passed on Rodgers: [LIST] [*]He's only 6'2". More so then than now, the picture of the elite QB prospect in the dictionary was 6'5", better to see and throw over the line. Brees had just come off his first good season in his 4th. year. He might have been perceived as a one-off or a guy without staying power. It wasn't until Wilson that the thinking on this started to bend in some quarters. Think about height on a spectrum of risks; 6'2" at that time would have to be discounted. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Rodgers tends toward the introspective, inner-directed. He might not have impressed some GMs as sufficiently rah-rah, too laid back, lacking competitive fire. Note the Packers did not even interview him so "personality" that is explored in the interview process evidently did not factor in. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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