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From Demovsky, 10/12/18:
"The Packers rank fourth on defense in total yards allowed, but even coordinator Mike Pettine thinks that's deceiving. However, he said, "we feel good about where we're headed." He thinks there should be something akin to passer rating for QBs to better judge a total defense. For example, they didn't give up a lot of yards in the loss at Detroit because the offensive turnovers led to short fields."
I agree that gross yards number is decieving. Points surrendered can be deceiving as well, which I'll get to in a bit. However, a defensive number does exist that equates to QB passer rating: passer rating against, which was 101.9 for the Lions.
That QB rating against is more relective of defensive performance than the gross yard total, but that's one game and is not the entire picture over 5 games. Passer rating agaisnt does not even qualify as an advanced analytic, nor any of the other data below, suggesting Pettine is an old school, eye test guy who may have a nascent interest in statistical analysis. Whether he should or shouldn't advance that interest is debateable, but it should not stop us from taking a statistical view of things.
The passer rating against taken together with a few others, can be revealing. The following data is from espn.com (except where noted) through week 5 (except gross numbers include Eagles/Giants through week 6):
Passer Rating Against: 89.3 - 12th.
Sacks: 16 - 4th. (Note: Sacks are not imbedded in the passer rating.)
Yards Per Carry Average: 4.2 - 20th.
Recovered Fumbles: 2 - tie 17th. (Note: INTs are imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
3rd. Down Coversions: 38.0% - 14th.
4th. Down Coversions: 0% - tie first (0 - 2)
Red Zone TD% Against: 62.5% - 21st. (from teamrankings.com)
Defensive Penalty Yards: 262- 12th.
Defensive Penalty First Downs: 14 - tie 27th.
Compared to 2017:
Passer Rating Against: 102.0 - 31st.
Sacks: 37 - tie 17th. (Note: Sacks are not imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
Yards Per Carry Against: 3.9 - tie 8th.
Recoverd Fumbles: 11 - tie 7th. (Note: INTs are imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
3rd. Down Coversions: 42.8% - 28th.
4th. Down Coversions: 80% - 30th. (8 - 10)
Red Zone TD % Against: 65.2% - 30th. (from teamrankings.com)
Defensive Penalty Yards: 789 - 25th.
Defensive Penalty First Downs: 25 - 8th.
Observations:
So, given how offensive and special teams preformance can affect a defense, how can we evaluate a defense independent of offensive and special teams performance?
The grade is based on the 3 key metrics in the above paragraph.
"The Packers rank fourth on defense in total yards allowed, but even coordinator Mike Pettine thinks that's deceiving. However, he said, "we feel good about where we're headed." He thinks there should be something akin to passer rating for QBs to better judge a total defense. For example, they didn't give up a lot of yards in the loss at Detroit because the offensive turnovers led to short fields."
I agree that gross yards number is decieving. Points surrendered can be deceiving as well, which I'll get to in a bit. However, a defensive number does exist that equates to QB passer rating: passer rating against, which was 101.9 for the Lions.
That QB rating against is more relective of defensive performance than the gross yard total, but that's one game and is not the entire picture over 5 games. Passer rating agaisnt does not even qualify as an advanced analytic, nor any of the other data below, suggesting Pettine is an old school, eye test guy who may have a nascent interest in statistical analysis. Whether he should or shouldn't advance that interest is debateable, but it should not stop us from taking a statistical view of things.
The passer rating against taken together with a few others, can be revealing. The following data is from espn.com (except where noted) through week 5 (except gross numbers include Eagles/Giants through week 6):
Passer Rating Against: 89.3 - 12th.
Sacks: 16 - 4th. (Note: Sacks are not imbedded in the passer rating.)
Yards Per Carry Average: 4.2 - 20th.
Recovered Fumbles: 2 - tie 17th. (Note: INTs are imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
3rd. Down Coversions: 38.0% - 14th.
4th. Down Coversions: 0% - tie first (0 - 2)
Red Zone TD% Against: 62.5% - 21st. (from teamrankings.com)
Defensive Penalty Yards: 262- 12th.
Defensive Penalty First Downs: 14 - tie 27th.
Compared to 2017:
Passer Rating Against: 102.0 - 31st.
Sacks: 37 - tie 17th. (Note: Sacks are not imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
Yards Per Carry Against: 3.9 - tie 8th.
Recoverd Fumbles: 11 - tie 7th. (Note: INTs are imbedded in the Passer Rating Against)
3rd. Down Coversions: 42.8% - 28th.
4th. Down Coversions: 80% - 30th. (8 - 10)
Red Zone TD % Against: 65.2% - 30th. (from teamrankings.com)
Defensive Penalty Yards: 789 - 25th.
Defensive Penalty First Downs: 25 - 8th.
Observations:
- I'm not a big fan of gross points against which I've omitted above. That number takes a lot of scrubbing to get to meaningful rankings which I'm not willing to do. First, TDs surrendered by the offense (pick 6, fumble TD returns) have to be excluded along with any surrendered by the special teams. You'd also want to account for events such as a return team fumble on the 1 yard line ). Then there's other affects of the offense on and special teams on ranking scoring against a defense. How do the relative offenses perform? Which offenses have turned the ball over in their own territory compared to others? Which stay on the field vs. those that get off quickly? Which offenses don't move the ball effectively surrendering poor field position? How about special teams providing advantage or disadvantage in field position? Lots of scrubbing required. Points against is likely meaningful at the top and bottom of the rankings. In the middle 20 or 25 the scrubbing of data could yield a significant shuffling of the rankings.
- One major quibble I have with commonly quoted yards-against numbers is they omit penalty yards surrendered. For example, the Packers 262 penalty yards surrendered is 50% of the yards surrendered on the ground, a non-trivial component. Or consider, for example, that the Packers have surrendered more defensive penalty yards than the Bears have surrendered on the ground (256)! And some of the factors noted above as to how an offense affects the defense apply here as well. If anything, yards per play (including penalty yards) is a better measure. That number would take a lot of work I'm again not willing to do. Conversely, and counter intuitively, a high powered offense that scores early and often, can impact defensive yards surrendered negatively. Teams playing catchup against a defense that rightly assumes a prevent posture to one degree or another are on balance going to run more plays by passing and gaining more yards.
- How meaningful is a 3.9 rushing average against (generally regarded as "good") vs. 4.2 (lower end of mediocre)? Trivial. If a team runs a ball 30 times, the difference in those averages is a scant 9 yards over a full game.
So, given how offensive and special teams preformance can affect a defense, how can we evaluate a defense independent of offensive and special teams performance?
- Given the emphasis on passing in the NFL which seems to grow year by year, the QB rating against is critical. If we drop QB runs from the run play total (mostly scrambles and kneel downs mixed in with a smattering of option and called runs), I'd guess the passing game is running meaningfully above 60% of snaps, though again that would take a lot of work to get a precise number. Taking Denver as an example, right in the middle of the pack in rushing attempts, you end up with 205 pass plays vs. 120 non-QB runs (Keenum's had only 3 runs), for a 63% vs. 37% split after making the above adjustments. Percentage yards and TDs passing vs. rushing are more stark.
- As a reminder, the passer rating is calculated by a formula that uses 4 basic stats: completion percentage, yards per attempts, TDs as a % of passes, INTs as a percent of passes. It works pretty well. I have one quibble. Strip sack lost fumbles should be included, with a "QB turnovers" stat taking the place of INTs in the formula. No matter how good or bad an offensive line might be, a player is always to be held accountable for ball security. Thats a side quibble that would require a ton of work to suss out.
- Next, how quickly does a defense get off the field with the least amount of damage? "Stops" are an excellent measure: 3rd. down, 4th. down and red zone performance forcing change of possession and forcing FGs instead of surrendering TDs is an efficiency complement to QB passer rating. The affect of sacks and penalties are imbedded in "stops".
- In comparing 5 games in 2018 to 2017's full season, it is best to look at rankings rather than percentages or 2018 gross numbers extrapolated to a full 16 games. Typically, offenses run ahead of defenses in the early season. As the weather starts turning sour and defenses adjust to new offensive wrinkles, offensive production typically ticks down. This year is probably no different with offensive productivity running hot so far. For example, I seriously doubt 11 QBs will end the season with a 100+ passer rating as is the case now.
- In summation, if we take QB rating against together with "stop" performance along with fumble recoveries (INTs already imbedded in the passer rating), you get a fairly representative quick-and-dirty picture of defensive performance independent of the offense and special teams.
- Let's not grade on a curve. I woud divide league rankings into approximate quintiles with the following grades: 1st. -6th. = A; 7-13 = B; 14-19 = C,; 20-26 = D,; 27-32 = F, based on the metrics in the above paragraph.
The grade is based on the 3 key metrics in the above paragraph.
- I give Pettine an overall C+.
- That grade does not reflect improvement over a dismal 2017, which is considerable, so overall performace should be considered a solid B or maybe better.
- The passer rating against and 3rd. and 4th. down stops taken together earn a net B- grade; the red zone TD% drags down the overall grade. Two fumble recoveries is middle of the league pack.
- Obvious areas for improvement are are red zone defense and penalty reduction as penalties bleed into stop stats.
- I give this dismal performance an F+.
- The QB rating against reflects the fact that this defense turned the league's QBs, in the aggretate, into Hall of Famers. If one was impressed with Kizer's performace against the Packers (sans the picks) as evidence of potential, consider the opposition.
- The performance in stopping opponents on 3rd. down, 4th. down, and in preventing TDs in the red zone was nothing short of abysmal.
- The fumble recoveries were a very good B level number, but not enough to earn more than a + tacked on to the F in light of the terrible 28st. -31st. rankings in the other critical categories.
- "Fire Capers"? Indeed, and long overdue if you ask me. Petine is on the road to recovery.
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