Un4 - while I admire the way you have hung in there you are wasting your time. The majority of the people on this board believe that if you criticize A-Rod in any way, shape or form, you are simply a Favre lover and not a Packer fan. That being said, I have been rather critical of A-Rod myself, to the point that some posters have blocked me after flat out accusing me of being a Favre lover. I mention this simply because I want to be clear that I am a guy who has been critical of Rodgers yet I am bit perplexed by some of the things you are saying. So let's start with this:
I won't even comment to this, honestly I'm done with this conversation but if you think Rodgers is the "reason" the packers won that game you should go back and watch it.
And another quote in reference to whether Rodgers won the game
I am saying that he didn't... I don't know how you even put 2 and 2 together on that one? lol
While I think I understand that you are saying Rodgers did not win the game by himself, that is not the way you are coming across as you seem to want to give credit to everyone but Rodgers for winning that game. Winning that game was a team effort:
1. It required the defense playing outstanding over the last 3 quarters
2. It required some lucky bounces combined with awareness by Cobb to win that game
3. It required the strip-sack fumble by peppers to win that game
4. It required Adams making a great catch on a perfectly thrown ball by Rodgers to win that game
5. It required a spark from Crockett to win that game
6. It required an 11 play, 84 yard drive culminating with a 17 yard TD run by Rodgers to win that game
7. It required Rodgers being just elusive enough to drawn an inadvertent facemask penalty with no time on the clock
8. It required Rodgers escaping pressure (on a 3 man rush which is completely ridiculous) to even make the final heave
And contrary to your belief:
I think incredible is a stretch, probably won't be in his top 50 throws at the end of his career for difficulty. But the fact RR caught it, made the "moment" special that's for sure.
9. It required and absolutely incredible throw (and everyone on the planet except you and probably Skip Bayless knows this) to win that game. It was the longest game winning, hail mary pass in NFL history. If you don't view that as incredible, I think you are seriously jaded. Do you realize most QB's making that throw, throw it as a line drive or throw it in the back of the endzone, or throw it to close to the sideline, or throw it more in the middle of the field all of which would lead to an incompletion. To throw the ball 60 yards, with great trajectory, in the perfect spot, is not something to scoff at. Did the completion of the pass require some luck? Sure, but it required an incredible amount of skill on the part of Rodgers. I think you really have a serious lack of appreciation of how difficult of a throw that is to make, you seem to believe that all it required was to have the ball thrown 60 yards and that simply is not the case.
10. It required absolutely putrid defense by the Lions on that final play to win that game
11. And finally it required amazing awareness and effort by RR on that final play to win that game.
I could put in another 30 individual plays that helped us win that game and Rodgers name would pop up in a 1/3 of them.
The point being you really are downplaying his role in winning that game, he was huge part of the team's success in that game and without him (along with the rest of the team), we simply do not win the game.
And since I rambled on way to long on that point, just to touch on leadership quickly. I totally understand what you are saying and seeing with Rodgers on the sideline, but the problem with that is that is entirely to easy to confuse what TV people think is good TV with lack of leadership. Here are some things that TV people thing are good TV:
1. Tom Brady yelling and screaming and dropping F-Bombs every other word on TV
2. Mike McCarthy standing on the sideline with his ***** look of bewilderment and disbelief when things go wrong
3. Teammates fighting on the sideline
4. Jay Cutler sitting by himself pouting on the sideline
5. Aaron Rodgers looking disinterested on the sideline
6. Squirrels running in the field of play
Here are some thing that TV people don't consider good TV
1. Rodgers on the sideline reviewing every play after every drive
2. Rodgers on the sideline being stoic and unrattled
3. Rodgers on the sideline quietly telling his teammates "we got this"
4. Rodgers and McCarthy quietly discussing what is happening on the sideline
5. Rodgers and McCarthy quietly talking about the new Star Wars trailer on the sideline
now granted that last one is just silly but the point of all of this is there are different types of leaders, Tom Brady is a very vocal, demonstrative, flat our ******** of a leader, and I am certain his teammates consider him a great leader but that does not mean that is what you have to do to be a leader.
Rodgers is a quiet (most of the time), do your job, lead by example by staying cool, calm and collected leader. To even remotely suggest that Rodgers is not a leader is bewildering as the plain simple fact is, in the NFL huddle filled with grown men who are prime specimens of testosterone filled athletes with a multitude of different personalities, if you are not a leader at the QB position, you will lose your teammates very quickly and it will show by the team's performance.
Ask the Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, NY Jets, Houston Texans and other teams if they would take the leadership qualities of Aaron Rodgers.
In closing, I honestly have no clue if Aaron Rodgers is a good leader or not and the reason being is I would never be so presumptive to believe I could make that statement based on whether or not TV people think what is happening on the sidelines is good TV or not.
Okay, in the name of all that is holy, if anybody actually bothers to read that diatribe on my part, you get a cookie, or something.
