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Yeah, my general sense/vibe that I get is that this draft is just not a particularly strong one, and definitely not a very top-heavy one.

I think conventional wisdom would tell you that the "average" draft class probably has about 15 prospects with a "true" first round grade. Of course you're going to have 32 first-round picks, but I don't think there's EVER a class that comes out with 32 "first round grades". A really strong/deep class might have 18, 20, maybe touching into the 20s for first-round graded players.

This year, the buzz I'm hearing is that for most teams it's more like 10-12 guys with a "first round grade" and the rest is kind of up in the air. In fact I have seen a couple of draft analysts saying it's got one of the lowest number of first-round graded prospects (if not THE lowest number) on record and/or in recent history.

Now you could make a case that it is also a "deep" draft, in the sense that there seems to be a lot of parity and/or not a ton of discrepancy between some of the rounds.

Take for instance the WR position and look at NFL.com's prospect grading. Now I am not saying theirs is the best/most accurate or anything like that, but it is one of the most accessible and covers a big swath of players. By their standard, an 8.0 grade is a "perfect prospect". From the 6.7-6.9 range is a player who projects to be an instant year 1 starter, and 7.0 and above is going to be Pro Bowl or All-Pro type talents.

This year Travis Hunter is far and away graded the best WR prospect at 6.89, but I don't know how much of that is influenced by his CB play too. It seems like many project him as a primary CB with reps worked in at WR, but who knows.
Either way, after that there is a noticeable drop and their next highest graded WR is Luther Burden III at 6.43, which is "Will become a good starter within two years". And the rest of the early prospects are all right in that range:
Matthew Golden - 6.42
Tet McMillan - 6.40
Emeka Egbuka - 6.37 ("Will eventually be plus starter")
Jack Bech - 6.34
Jayden Higgins - 6.33
Jalen Royals - 6.32
(And then you have guys like Ayomanor and Horton at 6.19, Badger and D!ke at 6+, etc)

Like I said, not a perfect metric, but point is that I think there is just not a huge gap between the "top prospects" or "first round grades" and the guys who will be available outside of the first round. So it would not surprise me to see some guys fall , while at the same time see some “reaches” for players who are in reality not that far off in grading from some of the guys projected ahead of them…
 
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I am leaning towards DT Derrick Harmon at this point. He is very good both against the run and pass rush. I think it is what this defense could really use. Clark had a down year and Wyatt is good at pass rush but is a liability in the run game. This is the best year to add a DT in some time and we should take advantage.

I think if OT Simmons checks out medically then he is going much earlier.

I think the top 3 CBs will be gone by 23.

So the greatest value to add is at DT. I think Grant will also be gone.

So the pick is Harmon.

Amen.
DL is also a position of need and availability in depth in the draft.
We could justify a successor for Kenny Clark and a replacement for TJ. This draft offers good options for both types
 

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I think Will Johnson has to be in the discussion at #23 now, with his possible drop down the board. If Hairston is a possibility, then he should be also.
 

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I think Will Johnson has to be in the discussion at #23 now, with his possible drop down the board. If Hairston is a possibility, then he should be also.

What I've read/heard many times is that if Packers' doctors fail a guy, medically, the FO takes him off the board.

So guys that are projected to go lower than expected because of medicals, like Harmon or Johnson, could end being totally ignored by the Packers.

Or there could be real concerns, but not enough for them to be "failed" medically.

Personally, Johnson scares me. It doesn't seem that he was right at any point in 2024 and he wasn't capable of really working out during the entire process.
 
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What I've read/heard many times is that if Packers' doctors fail a guy, medically, the FO takes him off the board.

So guys that are projected to go lower than expected because of medicals, like Harmon or Johnson, could end being totally ignored by the Packers.

Or there could be real concerns, but not enough for them to be "failed" medically.

Personally, Johnson scares me. It doesn't seem that he was right at any point in 2024 and he wasn't capable of really working out during the entire process.

Will Johnson and Benjamin Morrison both could EASILY be All Pros or out of the league by their third or second season due to medical issues....which is CRAZY gamble.
 

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Will Johnson and Benjamin Morrison both could EASILY be All Pros or out of the league by their third or second season due to medical issues....which is CRAZY gamble.
Johnson's big injury last year was Turf Toe, which can take a long time to heal. He is a boom or bust guy, but being a Michigan fan, and watching them play every week, he always seemed to make that big play when they needed one.
 

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Johnson's big injury last year was Turf Toe, which can take a long time to heal. He is a boom or bust guy, but being a Michigan fan, and watching them play every week, he always seemed to make that big play when they needed one.

What's being reported is that he has more medical red flags than the toe.
 

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Both things would make it all right for us to wait until the 7th
I honestly think he's going in the 1st Rd, just not in the 1st half of this draft, like he was projected early in the process. If he somehow doesn't, he will be one of the 1st picks on day two tomorrow.
 

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