despite weapons, offense needs another piece

[OldSchool101]

TT/MM should have had a plan for when they would lose three OT's at once.

He does. He tried to explain it to the referees and they flagged him for being overbearing!

 

[OldSchool101]

Wait, didn't the Packers need "one more weapon" last year? And the year before? And the year before that? Amazing how bad the offense can look when your starting tackles are out of the lineup. Pretty sure we saw that last year somewhere.

2013 Atlanta Falcons had an injury at nearly every position at some point during the season. I can't remember if both Tackles were out simultaneously though but it did have an obvious effect on their 4 win season

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Is anyone else pretty underwhelmed by Davante Adams? Besides some garbage time production against Atlanta, he's essentially been a role player in the offense. 3 catches in each of our 2 wins. In a game such as the last one, I would have expected him to be the one to take over with Cobb out, instead of a second year undrafted WR.

Nelson is still good, but I'm not sure he can be the bona fide #1 guy, and he hasn't been yet this season. With Cobb simply being an efficient slot, Adams having some flashy skills but looking like a pretty basic #2 otherwise, and Bennett looking like Richard Rodgers with better blocking skills and brick hands, I'm not too excited about this either group now or in the future.

 

[Dantés]

The entire offense has yet to find its rhythm. The offensive line and its injuries has been a major factor. I'm not worried about Adams' touchdown production in light of that. When things get back on track, I suspect his scoring will increase.

That said, he's on pace for 1,100 yards. What more are we to expect given all the mouths to feed?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

The entire offense has yet to find its rhythm. The offensive line and its injuries has been a major factor. I'm not worried about Adams' touchdown production in light of that. When things get back on track, I suspect his scoring will increase.

That said, he's on pace for 1,100 yards. What more are we to expect given all the mouths to feed?

Hence, why I mentioned all of the garbage time stats vs. Atlanta. And are there really that many mouths to feed? I think you overrate this WR corp.

 

[Dantés]

Hence, why I mentioned all of the garbage time stats vs. Atlanta. And are there really that many mouths to feed? I think you overrate this WR corp.

When they're healthy, Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Bennett, Kendricks, and Montgomery all merit targets.

 

[Half Empty]

Hopefully, you can throw this back after tonight, but, at the moment...Bennett?

 

[Dantés]

Hopefully, you can throw this back after tonight, but, at the moment...Bennett?

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to his years of production. At this point, at the very least, he merits targets just to see if they can get him going.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Hopefully, you can throw this back after tonight, but, at the moment...Bennett?

While it's definitely disappointing Bennett has had way too many drops another reason his numbers are below expectations is that he has been asked to help in pass protection a lot.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

When they're healthy, Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Bennett, Kendricks, and Montgomery all merit targets.

I think you're really reaching. The first three, sure, but on how many offenses would Allison and Kendricks be considered essential mouths to feed? They are basically your standard WR4/TE2. McCarthy isn't creative enough to use Montgomery in a different manner than a coach would use any generic RB in the passing game. And let's not mention Bennett until he becomes anything other than a liability.

You'd think with all of these mouths to feed, it would be tough to cover them all, but it ain't. Minnesota has fewer "mouths to feed", yet Theilan and Diggs are performing at a much higher level than any of our WRs. With a first year makeshift OL and Case Keenum as the QB for most of the year. Seeing anything wrong with this picture?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think you're really reaching. The first three, sure, but on how many offenses would Allison and Kendricks be considered essential mouths to feed? They are basically your standard WR4/TE2. McCarthy isn't creative enough to use Montgomery in a different manner than a coach would use any generic RB in the passing game. And let's not mention Bennett until he becomes anything other than a liability.

It seems you completely missed the second half vs. the Bengals when Kendricks kickstarted the offense with a 51-yard catch as well as Allison making several impressive catches to complete the comeback.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think you're really reaching. The first three, sure, but on how many offenses would Allison and Kendricks be considered essential mouths to feed? They are basically your standard WR4/TE2. McCarthy isn't creative enough to use Montgomery in a different manner than a coach would use any generic RB in the passing game. And let's not mention Bennett until he becomes anything other than a liability.

You'd think with all of these mouths to feed, it would be tough to cover them all, but it ain't. Minnesota has fewer "mouths to feed", yet Theilan and Diggs are performing at a much higher level than any of our WRs. With a first year makeshift OL and Case Keenum as the QB for most of the year. Seeing anything wrong with this picture?

Bennett and/or Kendricks will be vital to the success of the Packers offense this season. Having the threat of a pass catching TE really opened the offense back up last year with Cook on the field. They will continue to get targets.

Just in the last game Montgomery caught 8 balls. He leads the team in receptions. He's going to continue getting targets.

Whether or not we agree with the targets they're getting is irrelevant. They will continue to be relied upon in this offense. I would address Allison but it looks like captain's already done so.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Bennett and/or Kendricks will be vital to the success of the Packers offense this season. Having the threat of a pass catching TE really opened the offense back up last year with Cook on the field. They will continue to get targets.

Just in the last game Montgomery caught 8 balls. He leads the team in receptions. He's going to continue getting targets.

Kendricks seems to be the tight end capable of filling the role Cook played last season though while there's currently no reason to believe Bennett might stretch the defense. To be fair, Montgomery's yards per catch is dreadful though.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

It seems you completely missed the second half vs. the Bengals when Kendricks kickstarted the offense with a 51-yard catch as well as Allison making several impressive catches to complete the comeback.

I did see that, but what say you of the completely groundbreaking Janis performance in the playoffs? Is he a mouth to feed now? Guys have good games, especially with Rodgers at QB. When I think of having a dilemma with the number of mouths to feed, I'm thinking of a superstar WR group, not a fairly typical one.

 

[PackAttack12]

I did see that, but what say you of the completely groundbreaking Janis performance in the playoffs? Is he a mouth to feed now? Guys have good games, especially with Rodgers at QB. When I think of having a dilemma with the number of mouths to feed, I'm thinking of a superstar WR group, not a fairly typical one.

Janis was a last resort option in that playoff game. Allison absolutely earned his spot with consistent production to end the year last year, came up big in the playoffs especially with Jordy out, and he's continuing to show why he will be an asset moving forward.

Of course Janis doesn't deserve additional opportunities. He's proven that time and time again.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Janis was a last resort option in that playoff game. Allison absolutely earned his spot with consistent production to end the year last year, came up big in the playoffs especially with Jordy out, and he's continuing to show why he will be an asset moving forward.

Of course Janis doesn't deserve additional opportunities. He's proven that time and time again.

I think you are wearing Rose colored glasses about this. He had two good games at the end of the season, both 4 catch affairs, and 5 catches for 65 yards throughout the entirety of the playoffs. Janis more than doubled that in one game with even more WRs out, and you are completely dismissing his performance while praising Allison's.

I'm sorry, but given the hype we've endured for years, Adams should be a #1, high target guy by now. He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as a second year undrafted WR as being a mouth to feed.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think you are wearing Rose colored glasses about this. He had two good games at the end of the season, both 4 catch affairs, and 5 catches for 65 yards throughout the entirety of the playoffs. Janis more than doubled that in one game with even more WRs out, and you are completely dismissing his performance while praising Allison's.

I'm sorry, but given the hype we've endured for years, Adams should be a #1, high target guy by now. He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as a second year undrafted WR as being a mouth to feed.

So why is Allison ahead of Janis on the depth chart?

Rodgers had no one to throw the ball to in that game against the Cardinals. A dude wearing a hoodie, and two guys that weren't in the regular rotation all year long. No Nelson, no Cobb, no Adams. Allison has worked his way into getting more snaps by competing with guys ahead of him on the depth chart. And every single time Janis has gotten opportunities with Rodgers outside of the Arizona game, he's done absolutely nothing with it on a consistent basis.

"mouths to feed" doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of the targets are on a level playing field. Allison plays when we are in 4 WR sets, and when there are injuries. He clearly doesn't have the same role as our top three guys, but he's vital nevertheless. Bennett and/or Kendricks will be getting touches to keep defenses from neglecting the middle of the field. Doesn't mean they are the same level of player as Nelson or Adams. I think your definition of mouths to feed is the one that's foggy. JMO.

Again, regardless of what you think, Rodgers is going to continue distributing the ball between Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Montgomery, Bennett, and Kendricks. I think that's his mindset, and I think that's McCarthy's mindset. Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

So why is Allison ahead of Janis on the depth chart?

Rodgers had no one to throw the ball to in that game against the Cardinals. A dude wearing a hoodie, and two guys that weren't in the regular rotation all year long. No Nelson, no Cobb, no Adams. Allison has worked his way into getting more snaps by competing with guys ahead of him on the depth chart. And every single time Janis has gotten opportunities with Rodgers outside of the Arizona game, he's done absolutely nothing with it on a consistent basis.

"mouths to feed" doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of the targets are on a level playing field. Allison plays when we are in 4 WR sets, and when there are injuries. He clearly doesn't have the same role as our top three guys, but he's vital nevertheless. Bennett and/or Kendricks will be getting touches to keep defenses from neglecting the middle of the field. Doesn't mean they are the same level of player as Nelson or Adams. I think your definition of mouths to feed is the one that's foggy. JMO.

Again, regardless of what you think, Rodgers is going to continue distributing the ball between Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison, Montgomery, Bennett, and Kendricks. I think that's his mindset, and I think that's McCarthy's mindset. Your opinion doesn't change the reality of the situation.

My argument wasn't pro-Janis, just that a good performance doesn't define a player.

Clearly, we do have different definitions of that phrase. By yours, every team in the league has a ton of mouths to feed. That doesn't mean a guy can't establish himself as the top dog. Two close games this year, 3 catches a piece in each for Adams. I just find that underwhelming for a guy many on here think so highly of.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I did see that, but what say you of the completely groundbreaking Janis performance in the playoffs? Is he a mouth to feed now? Guys have good games, especially with Rodgers at QB. When I think of having a dilemma with the number of mouths to feed, I'm thinking of a superstar WR group, not a fairly typical one.

The Packers definitely don't have a plethora of elite pass catchers on the roster but in my opinion an above average receiving corps that is capable of putting up a ton of points with Rodgers throwing the ball.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Clearly, we do have different definitions of that phrase. By yours, every team in the league has a ton of mouths to feed. That doesn't mean a guy can't establish himself as the top dog. Two close games this year, 3 catches a piece in each for Adams. I just find that underwhelming for a guy many on here think so highly of.

I don't understand the reasoning behind excluding Adams performance against the Falcons as well as him being on pace for 1,100 receiving yards this season.

 

[swhitset]

While it's definitely disappointing Bennett has had way too many drops another reason his numbers are below expectations is that he has been asked to help in pass protection a lot.

Personally... I haven't even considered his overall numbers... just the drops. Several of them have ended drives.

 

[PackAttack12]

My argument wasn't pro-Janis, just that a good performance doesn't define a player.

Clearly, we do have different definitions of that phrase. By yours, every team in the league has a ton of mouths to feed. That doesn't mean a guy can't establish himself as the top dog. Two close games this year, 3 catches a piece in each for Adams. I just find that underwhelming for a guy many on here think so highly of.

Allison's had more than one good performance and he's come up with some pretty timely catches for this team. I'll never forget what Janis provided in the Arizona game, but again, Allison is ahead of Janis on the depth chart for a reason.

Someone could always establish themselves as a top dog, but there isn't a top dog on this team. There isn't a single receiver that you can continually go to like a Julio, OBJ, AB, Green, etc. We don't have the luxury of having a guy like that. So you're going to see an offense in Green Bay that shares the football among multiple targets. Force feeding any receiver isn't going to help this offense be potent.

There isn't a single guy on the roster separating himself right now.

Montgomery - 18 catches, 129 yards, 1 TD
Cobb - 15 catches, 145 yards, 0 TD
Adams - 14 catches, 206 yards, 1 TD
Nelson - 13 catches, 131 yards, 3 TD
Bennett - 11 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD
Allison - 9 catches, 146 yards, 0 TD
Kendricks - 4 catches, 70 yards, 1 TD (he'll get more opportunities in the coming weeks)

When you look at the targets, it suggests even more balance, or "mouths to feed". These are our top 3 receivers, top back, and top TE:

23, 21, 23, 21, 17.

Mouths to feed for me mean that we have to exhibit balance among the team for the offense to operate on the highest level.

You can talk about garbage time all you want, but you can't just throw out certain areas of the season to prove your point about a particular player. Lets also consider that Rodgers hasn't even been playing his best ball right now. We won't see an accurate reflection of what this offense is until midseason.

What will the narrative be if Adams goes for 115 and two TD's tonight in a close game? Does that change your opinion? Are we totally neglecting what he did for us last season? It's still veeeeery early in the season.

 

[Dantés]

I think you're really reaching. The first three, sure, but on how many offenses would Allison and Kendricks be considered essential mouths to feed? They are basically your standard WR4/TE2. McCarthy isn't creative enough to use Montgomery in a different manner than a coach would use any generic RB in the passing game. And let's not mention Bennett until he becomes anything other than a liability.

You'd think with all of these mouths to feed, it would be tough to cover them all, but it ain't. Minnesota has fewer "mouths to feed", yet Theilan and Diggs are performing at a much higher level than any of our WRs. With a first year makeshift OL and Case Keenum as the QB for most of the year. Seeing anything wrong with this picture?

Yes, I do. I see a slow start to the offense. However, I attribute some of that to the bizarre rash of injuries at OT and trust that things will get back on track in due time.

Since 2008, the Packers' scoring offense has ranked 5th, 3rd, 10th, 1st, 5th, 8th, 1st, 15th, and 4th. I don't see reason to think that they won't get back into the top 5-10 range with time and health.

To address your first point-- no I don't think I'm reaching. Based on what I've seen this season, Allison and Kendricks both merit some targets in this offense. That is not to say that they're focal points, but they're good enough that they should see the ball now and then.

In any case, my point remains the same: the offense as a whole isn't performing, due at least in part to the OL struggles. When the passing game is working, there are a lot of possible worthy targets for Rodgers to choose from-- more than most teams. Adams is fine. As things get back on track, that will become obvious.

 

[Dantés]

I think you are wearing Rose colored glasses about this. He had two good games at the end of the season, both 4 catch affairs, and 5 catches for 65 yards throughout the entirety of the playoffs. Janis more than doubled that in one game with even more WRs out, and you are completely dismissing his performance while praising Allison's.

I'm sorry, but given the hype we've endured for years, Adams should be a #1, high target guy by now. He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as a second year undrafted WR as being a mouth to feed.

You're putting words in at least most of our mouths when you say that Adams should be or is viewed as a #1 guy. Most everyone, even proponents of giving him a long term deal, have said he's a good #2 receiver.

But I am sorry that positive reports about Packers players are so hard for you to endure.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yeah I didn't even mention the issues with the o-line which are no doubt effecting some WR production.