But Seriously...Holy F'N S#$% Rodgers...

[Tacklynn]

The talking heads said that last year too...yet there they were...playing for a trip to the NFCCG again. Hey, we had them on the ropes and weren't supposed to be there because of the blowout 38-8 loss earlier. They'll recover fine. Question is, how will the fan base fare?

I think the fan base is a For Better or Worse bunch and will remain unfazed in their support, though their criticisms may become sharper. If so we'll read about it here.

 

[Daryl Muellenberg]

Truth be told, all it takes is for one play to open up everything to scrutiny. The D gave up a 75 yd broken pass play due to sending the house. Palmer moved pretty well that play, surprisingly, and the rest is in the books. Look no further than that. That is how close it was. Surrounding Rodgers with talent is now paramount, as the D is doing enough to win.

It wasn't due to 'sending the house'. We only blitzed 1 extra player (rushing 5 instead of 4) on that play. It was due to broken coverage and poor tackling.

 

[easyk83]

I look at the underachievement of the team from the 2011-2013 seasons as being about the decline and loss of key players from the Super Bowl teams. Cats like Jenkins Collins and Woodson were not replaced by players of similar talent or even comparable talent. Nor was their loss picked up by improvement in other positions. In addition we had a draft slump from 2011 to 2013 that saw us underperform in talent acquisition, at least when compared to the drafts leading up to our Super Bowl campaign.

Thoughts? The guys who helped us win a Super Bowl are getting a little long in the tooth, thankfully the GB front office seems to have returned to form with the 2014 and 2015 drafts.

But remember, Nelson Matthews and Sitton are all on the wrong side of 30 as of next season.

 

[TJV]

Yep. Another precious year of Rodgers' prime gone. I fear he will end up like Favre, with just the on Super Bowl at the beginning of his career and spend the rest of his career trying and failing to get a second one.

IMO this is the first year Rodgers bears some responsibility for “wasting” a season. And I think it's worth remembering unlike Rodgers, Favre was responsible for wasting several chances in the playoffs: Remember the 6 INT game? That was “exciting” wasn’t it? How about the 2003 season playoff game at Philly? The Packers had a fantastic running game that season and the D finished 11th in scoring D. Even with Sherman’s mistakes in that game, Favre trotted out onto the field in overtime with decent field position only needing to get into field goal range to continue the playoff run. Instead he threw up a punt-like pass unworthy of a rookie QB. The stupid carelessness of that “pass” at that critical time still dumbfounds me. The next year ended when the Packers hosted the Vikings in the playoffs and Favre responded by throwing 4 INTs. Finally after playing well in 2007, in the NFCCG at Lambeau he again trotted out onto the field in overtime with decent field position needing only a FG to earn a trip to the Super Bowl. With Ryan Grant wide open in the middle of the field, Favre "gun-slinged" another "amazing" pass and another playoff run ended. No one player is responsible for winning or losing a game, but Favre bore a great deal of the responsibility for those playoff losses. Unlike Rodgers. (On the plus side, Favre ruined the Vikings chances to get to a Super Bowl too. )

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

TJV, why do you have to bring back painful memories. I had all but forgotten those games ( not necessarily by choice, due to my advanced age). And now the 08 game vs the Giants has come back to haunt me. Thanks.

 

[Quientus]

IMO this is the first year Rodgers bears some responsibility for “wasting” a season. And I think it's worth remembering unlike Rodgers, Favre was responsible for wasting several chances in the playoffs: Remember the 6 INT game? That was “exciting” wasn’t it? How about the 2003 season playoff game at Philly? The Packers had a fantastic running game that season and the D finished 11th in scoring D. Even with Sherman’s mistakes in that game, Favre trotted out onto the field in overtime with decent field position only needing to get into field goal range to continue the playoff run. Instead he threw up a punt-like pass unworthy of a rookie QB. The stupid carelessness of that “pass” at that critical time still dumbfounds me. The next year ended when the Packers hosted the Vikings in the playoffs and Favre responded by throwing 4 INTs. Finally after playing well in 2007, in the NFCCG at Lambeau he again trotted out onto the field in overtime with decent field position needing only a FG to earn a trip to the Super Bowl. With Ryan Grant wide open in the middle of the field, Favre "gun-slinged" another "amazing" pass and another playoff run ended. No one player is responsible for winning or losing a game, but Favre bore a great deal of the responsibility for those playoff losses. Unlike Rodgers. (On the plus side, Favre ruined the Vikings chances to get to a Super Bowl too. )

I'm sorry, but that response is filled with too much bias and bears the mark of someone who has been drinking way too much of ARod-kool-aid ...

 

[TJV]

I'm sorry, but that response is filled with too much bias and bears the mark of someone who has been drinking way too much of ARod-kool-aid ...

Then point out the factual errors in that post.

 

[Carl]

Then point out the factual errors in that post.

Well, Rodgers hasn't played up to his ability in a few playoff loses before this season. It hasn't all been the team around him come playoff time.

 

[ExpatPacker]

I'm sorry, but that response is filled with too much bias and bears the mark of someone who has been drinking way too much of ARod-kool-aid ...

Well, TJV was pointing out that Rodgers has to shoulder some of the blame for wasting a season, i.e. not going to the SB, so I'm not sure where your comment comes from.

One thing that further disappoints me about Rodgers this year: his so-called "trust" of receivers, which is really a distrust. Janis and Abby were open several times last game and Rodgers did not throw there although overall he did because with Cobb and Adams out, he had no choice. There were many times this season where I didn't get the feeling that Rodgers was "checking down" at all. He'd zeroed in on one guy and didn't look anywhere else. There were many reasons why Rodgers was not good this year, some understandable, others due to his own mentality.

This recurrent tendency on Rodgers' part to pass up receivers was really noticeable. Guys were open for shorter gains often enough but Rodgers wouldn't throw. Too often he seemed to be looking for the big play. The difference between him and Brady this season in that regard is night and day. Brady throws short, short, short, waits for the right moment to throw medium or long.

And another thing, even though it's for a separate thread, I know: if TT doesn't go out there and seriously try and land 1, even 2 impact FAs--I mean guys that can make a difference, like a Ladarius Green at TE, for example--then I will expect another "wasted" season next year, another close but no cigar.

 

[Quientus]

Then point out the factual errors in that post.

There are several ...
For one you point out Favre was The reason The Pack list several play off ganes ..., yet in The same breath you defend Rodgers explaining it's The "first" time Rodgers bears "some" responsibility ..., however there are some of us, who have been saying for years, Rodgers, while being incredibly gifted and a tremendous player, lack one very important part ... Distinct leadership in demeanor and behaviour ..., we saw a glimpse of it during the Skins game, however it's not something that it inherent ... My grandfather used to tell me there are 3 types of leaders; those who are born to lead (Favre, Brady) those who *can* become good leaders, but never great, and finally, those who never will ...

Rodgers is a "2" imho and while there are glimpses of leadership, Way too often there isn't ... Especially when things dont go as planned ...

Another example, which was mentioned in above posts, is Rodgers inability or rather unwillingness to **** and dunk when needed ... Again there are several of us (older posters) who have brought this up ad naseum years ago, but we were then as we probably Will be now, "labelled" as "haters" ...

There are several games this season including The cards game, were Rodgers didnt utilize his check downs, but wanting/looking for The medium to long play instead ...

As for Favre ..., Well you Seem to (conviently) "forget" what game situations actually brought fourth, needing Old Greybeard to "throw it up" to give his receivers a chance to make plays ... Favre May not have trusted All his receivers during The years, but you seldom Saw him "ignore" receivers The same Way Rodgers some time does ...

I'm not saying Favre didnt make mistakes, because he did and he did cause The Pack to lose some also, however, to say this is The first season we've Seem this from Rodgers is biased and not true ...

 

[TJV]

So Favre "had to" throw INTs? That's funny. Why did he "have to" throw the one that ended the playoff game in Philly? Go back and look at that play, it was embarrassingly stupid. They had a great running game that season and averaged more than 5.6 yards/rush that playoff game. On their first play on offense in OT from their own 32-yard line, somehow he had to throw up a "punt" for the D to intercept. Why did he have to throw the one that ended the NFCCG vs. the Giants? You're talking about Rodgers passing up receivers on shorter routes, go back and look at that play. The Packers had a great chance to advance in the playoffs in the 2003 season and of course would have played in the Super Bowl except for yet another Favre brain fart. You think I'm biased because of your vantage point as a Favre-first fan.

 

[Quientus]

So Favre "had to" throw INTs? That's funny. Why did he "have to" throw the one that ended the playoff game in Philly? Go back and look at that play, it was embarrassingly stupid. They had a great running game that season and averaged more than 5.6 yards/rush that playoff game. On their first play on offense in OT from their own 32-yard line, somehow he had to throw up a "punt" for the D to intercept. Why did he have to throw the one that ended the NFCCG vs. the Giants? You're talking about Rodgers passing up receivers on shorter routes, go back and look at that play. The Packers had a great chance to advance in the playoffs in the 2003 season and of course would have played in the Super Bowl except for yet another Favre brain fart. You think I'm biased because of your vantage point as a Favre-first fan.

I've never said Favre didnt make mistakes ... Quite the contrary ..., however, you were the one saying Rodgers being without fault, except for this season, being the first were he was partly to blame ...

Both The games you mention, Philly and Giants, you must obviously not have Seen either, since you choose to only mention The seasonal stat Line ... In both games The Pack were outplayed and outcoached ... But I digress, those games have been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and Can be found in archives, so I see no point in repeating it All over again ...

We Can agree to disagree Then

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Well, TJV was pointing out that Rodgers has to shoulder some of the blame for wasting a season, i.e. not going to the SB, so I'm not sure where your comment comes from.

One thing that further disappoints me about Rodgers this year: his so-called "trust" of receivers, which is really a distrust. Janis and Abby were open several times last game and Rodgers did not throw there although overall he did because with Cobb and Adams out, he had no choice. There were many times this season where I didn't get the feeling that Rodgers was "checking down" at all. He'd zeroed in on one guy and didn't look anywhere else. There were many reasons why Rodgers was not good this year, some understandable, others due to his own mentality.

This recurrent tendency on Rodgers' part to pass up receivers was really noticeable. Guys were open for shorter gains often enough but Rodgers wouldn't throw. Too often he seemed to be looking for the big play. The difference between him and Brady this season in that regard is night and day. Brady throws short, short, short, waits for the right moment to throw medium or long.

And another thing, even though it's for a separate thread, I know: if TT doesn't go out there and seriously try and land 1, even 2 impact FAs--I mean guys that can make a difference, like a Ladarius Green at TE, for example--then I will expect another "wasted" season next year, another close but no cigar.

NE's system is completely different than GB. They have short routes that are creative and actually get people open, while McCarthy wants to throw screens to Rodgers every game.

 

[TJV]

Both The games you mention, Philly and Giants, you must obviously not have Seen either, since you choose to only mention The seasonal stat Line ... In both games The Pack were outplayed and outcoached ...

The 5.6+ yards per rush was not seasonal - that was the game stat: The Packers rushed 37 times for 210 yards in that game. And in both games no matter what happened previously, Favre trotted out onto the field in OT with decent field position (their 32 yard line and 26 yard line). And in both cases he pissed the Packers playoff chances away with INTs.

We Can agree to disagree Then

That I do agree with.

 

[Mondio]

I can halfway forgive that Giants game, I think there were better options, but the choice wasn't terrible, but considering the circumstances with weather and everything it affected the throw and it ended up very bad. But the Philly game? Oh man, he threow up a punt, he just went back and tossed it right up there for any defender that wanted it. Completely ridiculous.