Browns Shopping Around Haden

[Mike McCarthy]

So do you think Hayden will be able to recover from his below average season this year?

The forum is full of guys believing Matthews will, so that being said why can't Haden return to glory?

 

[AmishMafia]

I'm more disappointed at the OLB position and the way it has been virtually ignored, besides the resigning of Perry of course.

Hmmm, I think you are forgetting . . .

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[AmishMafia]

Two guys that struggled when they were on the field last season.

A draft pick that will need time to become a pro and help out the team in a meaningful way.

Not only do we not have a true number 1 corner, we do not have much in the way of a true number 2. We have a bunch of borderline starters and I do not want to see what happened last season happen again this season. Rodgers is not getting any younger.

You can also look at my history, I am far from a TT basher.

Perhaps my "whatever it takes" line is not helpful, but I believe the situation to be desperate enough to take a significant chance.

Time will tell if the moves work. I would just challenge your assertion that TT did nothing. What I see is that we will have 3 different starters than we ended the season with last year. And all 3, IMHO, are better than the 3 we ended the season with.

 

[Mondio]

I'm not terribly worried about our DB's. The only way they're as bad as last year is if we suffer the same weekly rotation of injured players in and out of the game quarter to quarter. If this guy has something and is cheap, sign him up. otherwise i don't care. and I think you lost credibility when you suggested giving up a 2nd rounder for a guy who was going to be cut.

 

[VersusTheMoose]

I was excited, but yes, that does not reflect all that well now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Whoever signs Haden, will get him without spending a draft pick and probably on a cheaper 1 year prove it deal. These are the bargains you look for this time of year, but I don't see Haden even on TT's radar due to the current roster and draft resources already spent on the CB position.

 

[AmishMafia]

I was excited, but yes, that does not reflect all that well now.

I actually really like Haden. I think he will get a bunch of interest and sign for more than he is worth. He has missed 14 games of the last 2 years and only played all 16 in one season. We just don't need another CB with injury risk.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Say what you want, no Team spends a 2nd Round Pick on a QB just for that player to be their long term backup.

If anything, Kizer starting all 16 games will determine if next year's likely Top 5 Pick will be used on another QB, or a WR/RB to give Kizer another weapon to work with or boost an already overachieving defense.

I don't look at that way at all. A college QB comes along every once in a while where you can say, "If that guy isn't a franchise QB I'll be surprised." Luck was the last of those guys.

Everybody else is a kind of lottery ticket where the chance of success has longish odds but there is no other option. Many of these guy have never taken a snap from behind center into a 5 or 7 step drop when they come into the league. It's like training a guy for a position change.

Kizer starting may say more about Osweiler than it does about Kizer.

 

[gbgary]

I'm not terribly worried about our DB's.

until i see that they are much better than last year...i'm worried.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Haden is going to land in Pittsburgh or Dallas.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

Are we really considering the guy who helped ruin the Prequels?

 

[PackAttack12]

Holy guacamole......

The Steelers are signing CB Joe Haden to a 3-year, $27M contract, source said. $7M guaranteed in year 1. - Rapaport.

The Browns offered to cut CB Joe Haden's pay from $11M to $7M, source said. He ends up making exactly that with the Steelers in year 1.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Holy guacamole......

The Steelers are signing CB Joe Haden to a 3-year, $27M contract, source said. $7M guaranteed in year 1. - Rapaport.

Saw that and my first thoughts were......The Ham sandwich TT was offering Haden fell short.

 

[Carl]

Holy guacamole......

The Steelers are signing CB Joe Haden to a 3-year, $27M contract, source said. $7M guaranteed in year 1. - Rapaport.

The Browns offered to cut CB Joe Haden's pay from $11M to $7M, source said. He ends up making exactly that with the Steelers in year 1.

Wow. I'm betting he does not live up to that.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Holy guacamole......

The Steelers are signing CB Joe Haden to a 3-year, $27M contract, source said. $7M guaranteed in year 1. - Rapaport.

The Browns offered to cut CB Joe Haden's pay from $11M to $7M, source said. He ends up making exactly that with the Steelers in year 1.

Either way, you just don't pay that kind of money for a CB to ride the bench. With that being said, the Steelers are pretty much the Packers in a slightly larger market. They don't chase FAs often, and to spend that type of money, I don't think they doubt Haden's health at all. We might've missed the second coming of Woodson guys.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Either way, you just don't pay that kind of money for a CB to ride the bench. With that being said, the Steelers are pretty much the Packers in a slightly larger market. They don't chase FAs often, and to spend that type of money, I don't think they doubt Haden's health at all. We might've missed the second coming of Woodson guys.

I think this place would have blown a gasket if the Packers had paid that kind of money for Haden. The concussion history, as well as his complete dropoff in production due to injuries since 2014 would have me question that kind of deal, especially a 3 year. As much as I want to see improved CB play, not sure Haden at that price would have been worth the risk.

 

[Mondio]

For that money I'm happy he's somewhere else

 

[VersusTheMoose]

I actually really like Haden. I think he will get a bunch of interest and sign for more than he is worth. He has missed 14 games of the last 2 years and only played all 16 in one season. We just don't need another CB with injury risk.

Considering the state of the CB play we had on display last year: I disagree.

Holy guacamole......

The Steelers are signing CB Joe Haden to a 3-year, $27M contract, source said. $7M guaranteed in year 1. - Rapaport.

The Browns offered to cut CB Joe Haden's pay from $11M to $7M, source said. He ends up making exactly that with the Steelers in year 1.

Dang.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This kind of reminds me how I felt when Josh Sitton was cut and signed by the Bears.....Browns fans must be seeing this news and feeling a bit the same.....

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[PikeBadger]

Unless it is Brian Brohm and you already have Aaron Rodgers.

Brian Brohm was drafted before Aaron Rodgers first game as a starting QB. There was absolutely no way to tell he would become better than Favre at that time.

 

[PikeBadger]

Wow. I'm betting he does not live up to that.

Safe bet. Most free agents that sign big contracts don't make it worthy to the team imo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Say what you want, no Team spends a 2nd Round Pick on a QB just for that player to be their long term backup.

Brian Brohm was drafted before Aaron Rodgers first game as a starting QB. There was absolutely no way to tell he would become better than Favre at that time.

So the Packers spent a first round on Rodgers and 3 years later a second round on Brohm...because they were unsure whether Rodgers was going to be their starter? Yet one of them was going to be a back-up right?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Saw that and my first thoughts were......The Ham sandwich TT was offering Haden fell short.

Don't sell Thompson short. It was a brat AND a side of cheese curds.

 

[PikeBadger]

So the Packers spent a first round on Rodgers and 3 years later a second round on Brohm...because they were unsure whether Rodgers was going to be their starter? Yet one of them was going to be a back-up right?

They knew he was going to be the 2008 starter, they didn't know he was going to be great and an absolute lock to be as good or better than Favre much less as reliable and able to play through just about every season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They knew he was going to be the 2008 starter, they didn't know he was going to be great and an absolute lock to be as good or better than Favre much less as reliable and able to play through just about every season.

I get that part, but the OP said "Say what you want, no Team spends a 2nd Round Pick on a QB just for that player to be their long term backup". Sure looks like either Brahm was going to back up Rodgers or the Packers really wasted a first round pick on Rodgers and he was backing up Brahm? Given how well Rodgers played the season after drafting Brahm and every season after, I guess they were only wrong on Brahm.

And in hindsight, the OP was correct, Brahm never did turn out to be that long term backup to Rodgers.

My response to the poster was basically tongue and cheek and for him to say "no team" opened the door for it. Interrupt it anyway you want and run with it.