Brandon McManus

[milani]

Can you unpack that first part? I'm not following this.

That cap savings would be around $6.7M if we traded, cut/released. I'm not a proponent of that just adding a figure to what it would look like.

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While he is going to his us for $25M, a team acquiring him isn't on the hook for that $30M guaranteed through bonus and he would hit them for less than $20M which truly isn't a bad deal for a team CB hungry and thinks a new scene may do Jaire good and they know when healthy he's a top tier CB still.

We have taken a lot of dead cap money hits in the last several seasons. Bahk, Rodgers.

 

[Pkrjones]

Honestly, yes. He is without a doubt our best CB and when he's played our defense is different.

His '25 cap# is $25.377mil. If cut or traded carries $18mil dead cap hit, but GB is out of his deal & save $7mil on the cap. Save $7mil & use his roster spot on a CB who may be available for 20 games OR spend $25mil & hope they can get 7+ games out of him. I would choose plan A, you can have plan B if you desire.

 

[tynimiller]

His '25 cap# is $25.377mil. If cut or traded carries $18mil dead cap hit, but GB is out of his deal & save $7mil on the cap. Save $7mil & use his roster spot on a CB who may be available for 20 games OR spend $25mil & hope they can get 7+ games out of him. I would choose plan A, you can have plan B if you desire.

I didn't state what I did as a defense to liking it or even preferring it - fact is he is absolutely worth top CB money when in there and the defense as a whole is a LOT better with him in there.

I've long said I sense a departure incoming and feel a trade similar to Preston is potentially on the horizon in the off season; granted we will get more than what we got for Preston IMO given the position and the fact his level of play when in hasn't really dropped.

 

[OldSchool101]

I would add a DL to that list. The Packers will have to decide on Devonte Wyatt's 5th year option this off season. If they decline to exercise it, 2025 could be his last year in GB. Kenny Clark isn't living up to his big contract IMO. His contract is probably to big of a dead cap to get out of in 2025, but 2026 might be that year. I didn't realize that his "per game bonus" is $1M. I honestly prefer that type of incentive and payment in a contract. Since it probably isn't guaranteed.\

Anyway, while I like Wyatt, Slaton and Wooden for backups, a real game wrecker next to Kenny Clarke could really improve the Packers defense.

Agreed. If we had a quality 310-320lb
Day1 DT who can get interior push added inside I think it would really help our DE situation.

 

[Magooch]

This situation with Jaire is starting to feel more and more reminiscent of Bakhtiari....the way LaFleur talks about it is almost exactly the same honestly.

It really makes me wonder if for some reason the team doesn't have a bit of a tendency to under-report or minimize player injury reports. Both with Bakh and now Jaire they've exceeded their typical "timetable" in such a way that tends to make fans think "Well, I guess they just don't want to play". And I guess that is possible, but TBH I think it's equally likely (if not more so) that these guys have simply had injuries that are more severe than we might realize or are willing to admit and we were overly-optimistic on their return timeline in the first place.

 

[gopkrs]

Jaire is our new version of Bakhtiari. A very talented player at their position, gets a huge contract and then is unavailable for a large portion of it. At least with Bahk, he didn't waste a roster spot while injured.

This is absolutely why I hate big guaranteed contracts. Nothing guarantees that the player will be able to play and actually earn the money he is paid.

Jaire situation not half as bad as Bahktiari imo

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jaire situation not half as bad as Bahktiari imo

Yes and No.

Less money tied up in Jaire as there was in Bahk, but not a whole lot less.

Bahk at least was IR'd and the Packers used the roster spot for another player. That isn't the case with Jaire. Not only does JA take up a roster spot, but how many games this season has he had a status of "We will see how he is on Sunday and go from there." He even suited up against the Bears and played only 10 snaps.

So yeah, Bahk's injury wasted a ton of his contract time and money. JA might be paid a bit less, has played a bit more, but he's still being paid a hell of a lot of money for not playing.

 

[gopkrs]

Yes and No.

Less money tied up in Jaire as there was in Bahk, but not a whole lot less.

Bahk at least was IR'd and the Packers used the roster spot for another player. That isn't the case with Jaire. Not only does JA take up a roster spot, but how many games this season has he had a status of "We will see how he is on Sunday and go from there." He even suited up against the Bears and played only 10 snaps.

So yeah, Bahk's injury wasted a ton of his contract time and money. JA might be paid a bit less, has played a bit more, but he's still being paid a hell of a lot of money for not playing.

Not to mention Jaire still might play. And a whole offseason could fix his knee. Still need another corner though. Not that into crying about it

 

[Pkrjones]

I would add a DL to that list. The Packers will have to decide on Devonte Wyatt's 5th year option this off season. If they decline to exercise it, 2025 could be his last year in GB...

Anyway, while I like Wyatt, Slaton and Wooden for backups, a real game wrecker next to Kenny Clarke could really improve the Packers defense.

Devonte Wyatt had a PFF rating, yesterday against the Vikes, of 91.8. 4 pressures on 10 pass rushes before leaving with concussion. He had 3 pressures against NO last week. Still a bit inconsistent as he was a 54.9 rating against 9'ers in week 12. I like him, would try to extend @ moderate price for a year or 2 rather than 5th year him.

 

[DoURant]

I know this is way off the beaten path for this thread, but.... How awesome is Brandon McManus!!!!

No really! He has made 46 of 47 kicks since joining the Packers.

 

[milani]

I know this is way off the beaten path for this thread, but.... How awesome is Brandon McManus!!!!

No really! He has made 46 of 47 kicks since joining the Packers.

If we had him last season our fate may have been better.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jaire is our new version of Bakhtiari. A very talented player at their position, gets a huge contract and then is unavailable for a large portion of it. At least with Bahk, he didn't waste a roster spot while injured.

This is absolutely why I hate big guaranteed contracts. Nothing guarantees that the player will be able to play and actually earn the money he is paid.

I don't like these big deals with guaranteed money either. It's the cost of doing business in the NFL.

The NBA and MLB do it as well, but guys are less likely to get seriously injured, as in season ending. It happens, just not as much as the NFL, or so it seems.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Devonte Wyatt had a PFF rating, yesterday against the Vikes, of 91.8. 4 pressures on 10 pass rushes before leaving with concussion. He had 3 pressures against NO last week. Still a bit inconsistent as he was a 54.9 rating against 9'ers in week 12. I like him, would try to extend @ moderate price for a year or 2 rather than 5th year him.

Agreed. What you suggest is actually best for the Packers and Wyatt. The Packers keep him for a year, maybe two, at a reasonable price. He has the chance to earn a bigger contract, and the Packers benefit from a guy who may be turning a corner.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I know this is way off the beaten path for this thread, but.... How awesome is Brandon McManus!!!!

No really! He has made 46 of 47 kicks since joining the Packers.

Wow I didn't know that. And the one miss was a 46 yarder, I think, with rain pouring down at Lambeau against the Lions. Turned out to be a big miss, but damn the degree of difficulty on that was high.

He's been a great acquisition by Gluten.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn't state what I did as a defense to liking it or even preferring it - fact is he is absolutely worth top CB money when in there and the defense as a whole is a LOT better with him in there.

I've long said I sense a departure incoming and feel a trade similar to Preston is potentially on the horizon in the off season; granted we will get more than what we got for Preston IMO given the position and the fact his level of play when in hasn't really dropped.

Given the money and JA's iffy health, I'm not sure how much they could get in a trade. I think in P. Smith's case the Steelers absorbed his remaining salary and cap hit, and gave GB a 7th rounder. That seemed fair.

If they could get a similar deal for JA, along with a 3rd round pick, hmmm, I still don't know. You're right, he is a great CB when healthy and improves the play of those around him. Hopefully we get to see him in the playoffs before having to make a decision. I'd rather keep him.