Aaron Rodgers has Covid

[Pokerbrat2000]

I understand either choice, however, it is literally never going away, no point in living in fear

Yes, but there is a difference between allowing it to spread unabated and taking measures to stop the spread. Also, there are measures to decrease yours and others risk, if you are infected.

Wild fires will never go away, but that doesn't mean you dump 5 gallons of gas in a dry forest and set it on fire to prove your point.

Finally, why are people saying "living in fear?" I don't live in fear, but I make wise choices. If anything, those declaring it won't ever go away and nothing we do will stop it, have succumbed already to their own fears or naiveite.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Ok, first off I want to say this: that's fine. I like interacting on this forum. I'm not trying to dunk on you or make you look like a fool. If you want to just move on, we can do that.

But here's my question if you want to answer it:

Do you believe that we could have eradicated covid? And if so, what do you base that on, given that every single other similar virus is now just a seasonal reality that we all live with?

I honestly thank you for being ao polite but yes, I think if everybody had followed the advice of thier governments from the beginning, I include MY country in that by the way, we would have made progress to at least bring it under more control. It`s still killing people.

 

[red4tribe]

When I heard he was vaccinated earlier in the season, I was a little surprised. I remember listening to an interview he did a number of years ago (2014 I think) where he explained that he didn't believe in vaccines, etc., and didn't like putting anything "unnatural' into his body. So, this whole story doesn't exactly shock me. He was talking about the flu shot at the time, but obviously he doesn't like vaccines across the board.

 

[Dantés]

Imagine 200x 9/11/2001s happening and scoffing. Because that's how many have died from COVID

There's a difference between scoffing at the virus itself and at the irrational hysteria around interventions that don't really make a difference.

I know covid is very dangerous for certain demographics. But ruining people's lives or the economy with mitigation attempts that don't actually work doesn't make sense.

My main problem is that any time people advocate for doing something irrational and harmful by way of mitigation, they point at death statistics as if that justifies any dumb idea.

For instance, refusing to recognize the validity of natural immunity because it doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[mradtke66]

name your cited source, NBC via Dan Patrick has cited it.

Aaron Rodgers was secretly unvaccinated

In the preseason, some quarterbacks made no bones about their unvaccinated status.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers tests positive for COVID-19, will not play in Week 9 vs. Chiefs

Aaron Rodgers has tested positive for COVID-19 and will not play against the Chiefs in Week 9, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Wednesday.

www.nfl.com

Source: Pack's Rodgers tests positive for COVID

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers has tested positive for COVID-19, a source confirmed to ESPN, and Jordan Love will make his first career start against Kansas City on Sunday.

www.espn.com

Heh, you seem to think I'm ignoring stuff. I'm just super cautious after this summer's will he/won't he.

I full admit he may not be vaccinated. I'm want something concrete. The links above are still circular. Specifically they seem to be coming back to/citing Ian Rapoport/Mike Garafolo.

Both of these men could be correct and I do not want to presume they are lying. I want to understand where their information is coming from.

 

[Dantés]

I honestly thank you for being ao polite but yes, I think if everybody had followed the advice of thier governments from the beginning, I include MY country in that by the way, we would have made progress to at least bring it under more control. It`s still killing people.

Ok, well we do disagree. I don't believe there is any evidence or precedence for using mitigation to get rid of this type of virus. And we have several comp's to look at.

It's not harmless-- that's not what I'm saying. But it isn't going away and it never was, just like every other seasonal coronavirus.

 

[Ogsponge]

Yes, but there is a difference between allowing it to spread unabated and taking measures to stop the spread. Also, there are measures to decrease yours and others risk, if you are infected.

Wild fires will never go away, but that doesn't mean you dump 5 gallons of gas in a dry forest and set it on fire to prove your point.

Finally, why are people saying "living in fear?" I don't live in fear, but I make wise choices. If anything, those declaring it won't ever go away and nothing we do will stop it, have succumbed already to their own fears or naiveite.

I agree with everything you said but it does not change anything I said.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Thought this thread could use a little levity:

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Heh, you seem to think I'm ignoring stuff. I'm just super cautious after this summer's will he/won't he.

I full admit he may not be vaccinated. I'm want something concrete. The links above are still circular. Specifically they seem to be coming back to/citing Ian Rapoport/Mike Garafolo.

Both of these men could be correct and I do not want to presume they are lying. I want to understand where their information is coming from.

As others are pointing out. Do the math. IF...Rodgers was vaccinated, he wouldn't be in the protocol he is being put into.

 

[mradtke66]

Ok, well we do disagree. I don't believe there is any evidence or precedence for using mitigation to get rid of this type of virus. And we have several comp's to look at.

It's splitting hairs, but I don't believe the intent was to ever get rid of COVID-19.

At the onset, it was serious. We had no treatment, no vaccine, and people were dying--and while it was mostly the old who are at risk for most types of flu-death, the wasn't a perfect pattern. We couldn't reliably define at-risk populations.

Almost worse, and this is the sneaky part, it was overwhelming hospitals. The United States doesn't have a ton of hospital beds. The "worst" states have 1.7 beds per 1000, the "best" have 4.8 per 1000 (https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...-by-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population-2.html)

Fast forward to now: We have a vaccine, but (afaik) the other issues persist. Still fatal for some people, a large enough outbreak can overwhelm hospital, and we don't have a good treatment plan. We don't have to shutdown the world anymore, but should pay attention to what is going on and attempt to limit transmission.

 

[Krabs]

Man, there's a lot to take in here. Not that what any of us say makes a difference, particularly my opinion. However, I will say it anyway.

I got the Covid. I was diligent about wearing my mask and was about to get vaccinated when I caught it. I was also under lockdown from work, aka quarantining and working from home. I know exactly who I got it from and they were masking and social distancing as well. Guys, you can mitigate as much as you want, but an air born virus doesn't care. It's going to spread. It's going to get you. Old people, young people, masked, unmasked, vaccinated, unvaccinated, in shape, out of shape, social distancing, hugging, it doesn't care. Him not being vaccinated is his choice. From my experience, I just don't care about that anymore. I'm over it.

He can't play due to being positive with Covid. Time to move on folks. Next man up. Here's to hoping it doesn't spread like wild fire through the rest of the team this week.

 

[mradtke66]

As others are pointing out. Do the math. IF...Rodgers was vaccinated, he wouldn't be in the protocol he is being put into.

This is the strongest argument that he is indeed not vaccinated. It is also possible that he is vaccinated while showing symptoms AND has a positive test.

I'm not defending him. If it turns out he is not, I'll call him a ******* for hurting the team.

 

[swhitset]

My understanding, and I am not 100% on this so don't hear me declaring the absolute truth here, is that vaccines are more effective at decreasing severity and keeping people from getting seriously sick than they are at preventing someone from carrying a viral load that could be detected by a test.

And that would make sense. Because any sort of immunity, vaccinated or natural, doesn't somehow create a forcefield that keeps the virus out of your body. It allows your body to efficiently produce the antibodies necessary to fight the virus effectively if and when it does infect you. So you don't get sick at all, or you get less severe symptoms.

So it would only make sense that a vaccinated person could still carry and spread the virus, though not a virulently if they aren't manifesting serious symptoms (e.g. lots of coughing and sneezing) which tend to force the spread further.

But the league treating vaccination as far safer than natural immunity is incoherent. It's just politically driven nonsense.

A lot of that makes sense… however one thing i’ve noticed from people I know that claim… “oh I’ve had it so I don’t need the vaccine” is that they assume that since they had it a year ago …. they are assuming they are still protecited. This does not appear to be the case. Boosters are out there for the vaccines for that exact reason…. the antibodies do not appear to stay in your system forever. Personally… I‘ve had Covid… I’ve also been vaccinated… and I got the booster last week. I don’t understand all the people that are so stubborn that they think hedging your bets everywhere you can is a bad idea.

 

[red4tribe]

If Rodgers truly isn't vaccinated, it's not out of the question that he could miss the game against Seattle too. This could really derail our season.

 

[Dantés]

It's splitting hairs, but I don't believe the intent was to ever get rid of COVID-19.

At the onset, it was serious. We had no treatment, no vaccine, and people were dying--and while it was mostly the old who are at risk for most types of flu-death, the wasn't a perfect pattern. We couldn't reliably define at-risk populations.

Almost worse, and this is the sneaky part, it was overwhelming hospitals. The United States doesn't have a ton of hospital beds. The "worst" states have 1.7 beds per 1000, the "best" have 4.8 per 1000 (https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...-by-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population-2.html)

Fast forward to now: We have a vaccine, but (afaik) the other issues persist. Still fatal for some people, a large enough outbreak can overwhelm hospital, and we don't have a good treatment plan. We don't have to shutdown the world anymore, but should pay attention to what is going on and attempt to limit transmission.

I think we have better treatment plans than what most realize. Many effective interventions have been derided in the media for political purposes.

But I agree with the basic point you’re making. We have to learn to live with it intelligently. But we may disagree over what that looks like.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Some media stories report Rodgers lied about being vaccinated in presesson which I doubt since any competent team would ask for proof. Nevertheless, it appears he put his own interests above the team. At the very least, he shouldn't get paid for his time away from the team due to his reckless behavior. It's no different than if he went skijumping and broke his leg. He could have drastically minimized his chances of missing games if he had been vaccinated. I would like to see even more severe disciplinary measures against him. You don't put yourself above the team. What a terrible position for the front office. Rodgers deserves retribution but doing so jeopardizes the season. When players put thenselves above the team, it turns into a cancer.

 

[Dantés]

A lot of that makes sense… however one thing i’ve noticed from people I know that claim… “oh I’ve had so I don’t need the vaccine” is that they assume that since they had it a year ago …. they are assuming they are still protecited. This does not appear to be the case. Boosters are out there for the vaccines for that exact reason…. the antibodies do not appear to stay in your system forever. Personally… I‘ve had Covid… I’ve also been vaccinated… and I got the booster last week. I don’t understand all the people that are so stubborn that they think hedging your bets everywhere you can is a bad idea.

I don’t understand those people either. I’m not anti vaccine. I just want people to realize and admit that there is another effective form of immunity AND that the effectiveness of the vaccine means that a vaccinated person doesn’t need to mandate vaccination on others.

But I will add that the absence of antibodies means nothing. If you have the T cells to produce them when they’re needed, you are protected. If the virus hasn’t been in your system for a long time then of course the antibodies won’t be either.

 

[Dantés]

Some media stories report Rodgers lied about being vaccinated in presesson which I doubt since any competent team would ask for proof. Nevertheless, it appears he put his own interests above the team. At the very least, he shouldn't get paid for his time away from the team due to his reckless behavior. It's no different than if he went skijumping and broke his leg. He could have drastically minimized his chances of missing games if he had been vaccinated. I would like to see even more severe disciplinary measures against him. You don't put yourself above the team. What a terrible position for the front office. Rodgers deserves retribution but doing so jeopardizes the season. When players put thenselves above the team, it turns into a cancer.

Let’s just execute him! That’ll teach him!!

 

[AGreen2AJones]

Let’s just execute him! That’ll teach him!!

You don't like masks mandates either, but why should we have to be mandated to wear any clothes anywhere

 

[Dantés]

You don't like masks mandates either, but why should we have to be mandated to wear any clothes anywhere

Because clothes mandates effectively prevent me and my children from seeing people’s junk.

Mask mandates don’t effectively prevent covid spread.

 

[jetfixer]

I think I like Rodgers even more now

 

[mradtke66]

Many effective interventions have been derided in the media for political purposes.

I have my doubts about this. I am reminded of an old quote/joke...

“You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine.”

If a researcher/doctor/grad student had an effective treatment plan for COVID, he or she would be world famous in about 12 hours. Partially because that'd truly useful. Partially because, afaik, we have never been able to cure a virus.

We treat the symptoms and hope you make it until the virus runs its course. This ranges from the common cold, to ******, to HIV.

But I agree with the basic point you’re making. We have to learn to live with it intelligently. But we may disagree over what that looks like.

 

[Pugger]

What is so difficult to understand ? If he tested positive, he might feel fine but could spread it to others who might not be so fine.

I am fully vaccinated but if I have no symptoms I could be unknowingly spreading it to others too. I know of some folks who don't like shots of any kind are resisting this vaccination because they believe it doesn't work. Perhaps AR feels the same way? And all this angst against Rodgers - I don't recall folks getting upset with Lazard. He isn't the QB but his contributions were noticeably absent and missed last Thursday night. He is one of our better blockers out there doing the "dirty work" so others can succeed. Thankfully KC's defense isn't all that great so we should be okay. Instead of blasting AR we should all be hoping Love doesn't come down with it or we'd be in a real pickle!

 

[PikeBadger]

Imagine 200x 9/11/2001s happening and scoffing. Because that's how many have died from COVID

How do you know how many have died from Covid?

 

[Dantés]

I have my doubts about this. I am reminded of an old quote/joke...

“You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine.”

If a researcher/doctor/grad student had an effective treatment plan for COVID, he or she would be world famous in about 12 hours. Partially because that'd truly useful. Partially because, afaik, we have never been able to cure a virus.

We treat the symptoms and hope you make it until the virus runs its course. This ranges from the common cold, to ******, to HIV.

I don’t think that’s true. Ivermectin has been effective. CNN has half the country calling it “horse dewormer.” Their own in house MD, Sanjay Gupta, has said that was a false characterization. They don’t care. People who don’t like masks and vaccines like it so it must be bad.

It’s been prescribed to hundreds of members of congress, btw.

It is exactly the same as when super right wing people say that vaccines are bad because people on the political left strongly advocate for them. Inane.