5 Moves for Every NFC North Team over the Offseason

[GreenBaySlacker]

It is a absolutely beyond my understanding why any Packers fan would suggest to offer Lacy a deal like that after he wasn't able to stay in shape in a contract year.

Because i dont think he was out of shape. I think he hurt his ankle and needed surgery...
In 2015 he hurt his ankle too if i remember right. That and the whole oline and wr groups were BARELY able to put together a starting line up... Even rodgers looked average. So i have a hard time judging lacys 2015 as lazy or in decline. He only looked about as bad as rodgers, bahk, adams and cobb. And better than nelson....

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Because i dont think he was out of shape. I think he hurt his ankle and needed surgery...

There's no reason to further discuss about Lacy if you can't even admit that he was out of shape for the last two seasons.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There's no reason to further discuss about Lacy if you can't even admit that he was out of shape for the last two seasons.

Lacy was certainly out-of-shape the season before last year, I think that's obvious. Last year, I'm less certain. He's always going to be a big guy, much like Jerome Bettis was, so it's hard to say for sure he's actually overweight based on seeing him on TV. I would think the trainers and coaches would be in a better position to know, and unlike the previous season, they weren't complaining a great deal.

 

[Mondio]

They weren't complaining, it's rare for them to do so. We'll find out their true feelings when we see what kind of offer he gets and from who.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Lacy was certainly out-of-shape the season before last year, I think that's obvious. Last year, I'm less certain. He's always going to be a big guy, much like Jerome Bettis was, so it's hard to say for sure he's actually overweight based on seeing him on TV. I would think the trainers and coaches would be in a better position to know, and unlike the previous season, they weren't complaining a great deal.

There's absolutely no doubt that Lacy will always be a big running back but he for sure played overweight last season as well.

McCarthy only criticized him once for being out of shape and that happened in his season ending press conference after the Packers lost in the playoffs at Arizona in 2015.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There's absolutely no doubt that Lacy will always be a big running back but he for sure played overweight last season as well.

Other than simply saying it, what evidence do you have to support your conclusion?

 

[Dantés]

Other than simply saying it, what evidence do you have to support your conclusion?

Besides basically everyone who covers the NFL and the Packers mentioning that Lacy has had ongoing weight problems, being able to actually see that he's way too big, and indications that we got up as high as 260 lbs, the Packers actually fined him for his weight.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Besides basically everyone who covers the NFL and the Packers mentioning that Lacy has had ongoing weight problems, being able to actually see that he's way too big, and indications that we got up as high as 260 lbs, the Packers actually fined him for his weight.

That was two seasons ago. I'm talking about last year.

 

[Half Empty]

Other than simply saying it, what evidence do you have to support your conclusion?

Are you talking about him always being a big running back? If so, how do you define big running back? If not, then it has to be overweight last year. In that case, it's whom do you trust, but http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/20/report-eddie-lacy-back-up-to-255-265-pounds/ seems like a reasonable source.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Are you talking about him always being a big running back? If so, how do you define big running back? If not, then it has to be overweight last year. In that case, it's whom do you trust, but http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/20/report-eddie-lacy-back-up-to-255-265-pounds/ seems like a reasonable source.

Jerome Bettis was a big running back, but I don't know that he was out-of-shape. Lacy was out of shape the year before last, as indicated by the Coach, but as far as I know, no one in the Packer organization complained about Lacy being overweight in 2016-17. If there's evidence to support that, I'll gladly look at it, but as of now, all I've seen here is people saying they believe it with nothing to back it up.

 

[Mondio]

I have nothing to back it up other than he looked better in pads in training camp than he did by the time he was injured. He was running hard, but he looked 30lbs heavier than he did in July. And guys get rotated in and out all the time. Most get roatated back in. Lacy seemed to hit his 3-4 carry limit and wouldn't see the field until the next drive.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I have nothing to back it up other than he looked better in pads in training camp than he did by the time he was injured. He was running hard, but he looked 30lbs heavier than he did in July. And guys get rotated in and out all the time. Most get roatated back in. Lacy seemed to hit his 3-4 carry limit and wouldn't see the field until the next drive.

Fair enough.

 

[Dantés]

That was two seasons ago. I'm talking about last year.

No, the reporting on the fines and weight issues are not necessarily restricted to previous seasons. I recommend scrolling through his newsfeed on Rotoworld. Here is a relevant tidbit:

The Green Bay Press-Gazette reports free agent Eddie Lacy was "fined for not making weight over the last couple of seasons."
Per reporter Pete Dougherty, "it’s unclear how often or how much." As Dougherty points out, it clearly didn't work. Lacy lost weight to much fanfare last offseason, but Dougherty reports he gradually gained it back, and may have even been a few pounds up in January. Dougherty guesses Lacy could be limited to offers of $2 million plus incentives because of his weight and ankle issues. He'll be a fascinating case on the open market. Feb 16 - 1:10 PM

The bold is my own.

It's cool if you want to see the reports to back up the weight issues, but it really isn't hard to find evidence that this is a real problem and was an issue as recently as the 2016 season. It isn't a conspiracy theory. At this point, with how well documented the problem is, I would argue that the burden of proof is really on those who want to say that weight isn't an issue.

 

[Half Empty]

Jerome Bettis was a big running back, but I don't know that he was out-of-shape. Lacy was out of shape the year before last, as indicated by the Coach, but as far as I know, no one in the Packer organization complained about Lacy being overweight in 2016-17. If there's evidence to support that, I'll gladly look at it, but as of now, all I've seen here is people saying they believe it with nothing to back it up.

Are we limiting his being overweight/out-of-shape to public comments by Packer personnel? If so, I'll dig a little deeper. If not, what's wrong with my reference and the one that followed from Dantes?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The good/bad news for the Packers.....

Bad News: Lacy has a well documented weight and conditioning problem.

Good News: It's known and his reported $2M offer reflects it. How much would that offer be if Lacy stayed at 235 his 4 years in Green Bay?

So the Packers have to decide if the risk of signing Lacy is worth the potential gain. My opinion still is yes, as long as its not a guaranteed contract and TT and the Packers have a contingency plan built around having to possibly cut Lacy before the season starts. I would be more than happy with 5-10 carries/game each from Lacy and Monty and slowly work a rookie into the mix, versus going into 2017 with Monty, a rookie and possibly Crockett or an UDFA.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

There's no reason to further discuss about Lacy if you can't even admit that he was out of shape for the last two seasons.

5.1 yards per carry doesnt translate to out of shape. Discuss that again.
And i gave a legit fact stating the entire offense looked deucy in 2015. Why do you single out lacy?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

People come in all shapes and sizes. Im not going to judge and ridicule lacy for being 260, if it helps him feel like a 8# hammer instead of a 5#er.

Another thing i seen from lacy in his 2nd year was that he came into the year kinda timid. I thought maybe the beating his body took his rookie year made a couple mental blocks he had to overcome. By year three, i just figured the weight gain was by design. The whole offense stunk that year. Oline decimated by injuries. Wrs nd rodgers were beat up and injured. But still we single out lacy. Even after he comes back with a 5.1 ypc while the offense struggled around him. He looked great right up until the injury. Imho

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The good/bad news for the Packers.....

Bad News: Lacy has a well documented weight and conditioning problem.

Good News: It's known and his reported $2M offer reflects it. How much would that offer be if Lacy stayed at 235 his 4 years in Green Bay?

So the Packers have to decide if the risk of signing Lacy is worth the potential gain. My opinion still is yes, as long as its not a guaranteed contract and TT and the Packers have a contingency plan built around having to possibly cut Lacy before the season starts. I would be more than happy with 5-10 carries/game each from Lacy and Monty and slowly work a rookie into the mix, versus going into 2017 with Monty, a rookie and possibly Crockett or an UDFA.

Lacy isn't effective when getting only 10 carries a game as he averages only 3.5 yards per attempt in those contests. Unfortunately he has to stay in shape to be able to get more involved in the offense.

5.1 yards per carry doesnt translate to out of shape. Discuss that again.
And i gave a legit fact stating the entire offense looked deucy in 2015. Why do you single out lacy?

There's no doubt Lacy performed on a high level early in the 2016 season but I'm absolutely convinced him being overweight significantly contributed to his season ending injury. I don't expect him to stay fully healthy for an entire year playing over 240 pounds.

 

[Mondio]

5.1 yards per carry doesnt translate to out of shape. Discuss that again.
And i gave a legit fact stating the entire offense looked deucy in 2015. Why do you single out lacy?

How many TD's did he have? a guy that unstoppable should be unstoppable, but a few things went into his 5.1 yards per carry. Yes he was running hard. I loved the way he runs, but defenses also learned that giving Eddie some yards between the 20's was easy. He was never going to finish a drive. he'd get his 3 maybe 4 carries in in a drive and take himself out for a breather until the next drive. He couldn't be relied upon and he's being singled out because he's one of the only ones i've seen on this team not committed to himself and keeping his body in the condition it needs to be in to play football. He needs to be 240, not 260+. Period.

he has all the talent in the world to be great, I'm wondering if he'll ever realize it. I know he won't at 260+

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Lacy isn't effective when getting only 10 carries a game as he averages only 3.5 yards per attempt in those contests. Unfortunately he has to stay in shape to be able to get more involved in the offense.

You do realize the sample size you are taking that average from? 5 Games out of the 58 games that Eddie has played in he has had less than 10 carries. Given a few of those were games he was probably playing injured and the small sample size, I think its a bit of a stretch to conclude that Eddie is not a good runner in games he has 10 or less carries.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Are we limiting his being overweight/out-of-shape to public comments by Packer personnel? If so, I'll dig a little deeper. If not, what's wrong with my reference and the one that followed from Dantes?

I'm not limiting anything. I'm simply asking if there is more evidence for Lacy being out-of-shape last season other than someone saying based on their observations from afar. Is that unreasonable?

 

[Curly Calhoun]

5.1 yards per carry doesnt translate to out of shape. Discuss that again.
And i gave a legit fact stating the entire offense looked deucy in 2015. Why do you single out lacy?

5.1 yards a carry is also, I believe, Lacy's career best. So, there's that.

 

[Dantés]

5.1 yards a carry is also, I believe, Lacy's career best. So, there's that.

What the reports indicate is that Lacy came into the season in better shape and then added weight back as the year wore on. Then he got hurt. I think most recognize that he can be pretty effective when he's heavier than ideal (though in 2015 he was even pushing those bounds), but it would seem that staying healthy while that big is another story.

I'm not limiting anything. I'm simply asking if there is more evidence for Lacy being out-of-shape last season other than someone saying based on their observations from afar. Is that unreasonable?

Yes, it's reasonable. So were the links and reports provided not satisfactory?

 

[Half Empty]

I'm not limiting anything. I'm simply asking if there is more evidence for Lacy being out-of-shape last season other than someone saying based on their observations from afar. Is that unreasonable?

If, as you mentioned previously, you're looking for Packer personnel to publicly proclaim he was out of shape, then the discussion is probably over, reasonable or not.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You do realize the sample size you are taking that average from? 5 Games out of the 58 games that Eddie has played in he has had less than 10 carries. Given a few of those were games he was probably playing injured and the small sample size, I think its a bit of a stretch to conclude that Eddie is not a good runner in games he has 10 or less carries.

Lacy has had 10 or less carries in eight out of 51 regular season games. While it's a small sample size there's no doubt in my mind he's at his best when wearing defenses down.