2025 Draft Prospects for Packers

[OldSchool101]

Yeah Savage was a rare Gluten miss, although I recall Savage having a decent rookie year.

I don't know when to call a guy a bust. It's subjective and we all have different views. Savage is a bust to me because he never came close to plying like a 1st round pick, over the length of his rookie deal. It's a big investment in draft capital and time waiting to see if the guy shapes up. Savage never lived up to the minimum standard for JAG.

Yeah I think everyone has a slight variation from each other on what a “bust” is.
For myself it’s more value driven.
If you look at a draftek draft value chart. That #1 or #2, #3 selection is worth several later Day 1’s. Those guys better be animals and have a lengthy career. By the time we get to #21 overall group. Call it Savage or Haha Clinton Dix? I don’t weight those guys nearly as heavily. Both of those Safeties were over drafted a little, but both weren’t busts either. I’d put their actual production fitting into what I’d expect from that Rd2-3 (Top 50-75) selections.

I think people in general are too harsh as soon as the “1st Round” terminology comes into play. Yet a #32 overall pick holds 590 points and a #1 overall holds 3,000 points. Big Difference of 2,410 variance.

A top 50 selection is 500 draft points.
A top 100 selection is 100 points
A much more reasonable disparity of value.
That’s why I always point out that we’ve typically drafted in the later 80’s 90’s in Round 3. A Packers #92 overall (132 points) is 1/2 as likely to succeed as a #65 overall pick (265 points) by Chicago etc. both are Round 3 but it’s 1/2 the player success rates by historical evidence.

 

[PikeBadger]

Savage if he were a third rounder would be graded at worst a B+ pick now able to properly grade him as a pro. Stokes is that C but with an asterisk because of injury and I concur on Walker. If walker were a third he’d be an A+ but since he’s a first rounder and we are three years in I currently still see a lot of potential movement up or down by him but he’s level pick for me. It is not easy being a starter day one and while he has straight up sucked at times, he’s still done it.

I just don't think that Stokes has ever had any natural ball instincts or is a playmaker which is why I think guys like that should not be picked in the 1st round. Just a guy you get in the 4th or 5th round. Never a difference maker.

 

[tynimiller]

I just don't think that Stokes has ever had any natural ball instincts or is a playmaker which is why I think guys like that should not be picked in the 1st round. Just a guy you get in the 4th or 5th round. Never a difference maker.

It’s fair to say he isn’t a playmaker because he doesn’t make interceptions, he’s played very well of late. Not to the degree of his rookie year end performances but better.

I think we have at minimum one incoming FA minimum and I outside chance could say Gute might try swinging for two high picks. Maybe not two day 1s but with GB hosting and some awesome CBs, DLs and Edges in this draft if he can even at cost of next year draft get us to two in top 40 or so it would be a blast in GB

 

[DoURant]

I just don't think that Stokes has ever had any natural ball instincts or is a playmaker which is why I think guys like that should not be picked in the 1st round. Just a guy you get in the 4th or 5th round. Never a difference maker.

Spot on Pike, he hasn't had a pass breakup this year. No ball awareness whatsoever

 

[Heyjoe4]

It’s fair to say he isn’t a playmaker because he doesn’t make interceptions, he’s played very well of late. Not to the degree of his rookie year end performances but better.

I think we have at minimum one incoming FA minimum and I outside chance could say Gute might try swinging for two high picks. Maybe not two day 1s but with GB hosting and some awesome CBs, DLs and Edges in this draft if he can even at cost of next year draft get us to two in top 40 or so it would be a blast in GB

I agree Gluten should try and get a solid CB in FA, much as he did with McKinney last year at safety. They have the cap room.

It might be a good idea to get a WR as well. If Watson tore his ACL yesterday his 2025 season is mostly done. Tyreek Hill wants out of Miami but imo it would be a mistake to go after him. Too expensive and too old. Still a very good WR, but not at his current price.

 

[tynimiller]

I agree Gluten should try and get a solid CB in FA, much as he did with McKinney last year at safety. They have the cap room.

It might be a good idea to get a WR as well. If Watson tore his ACL yesterday his 2025 season is mostly done. Tyreek Hill wants out of Miami but imo it would be a mistake to go after him. Too expensive and too old. Still a very good WR, but not at his current price.

Our WR room is sufficient to handle if Watson is gone for a while BUT I do think a toss at a WR pick in the draft is likely where this last year I felt was borderline guaranteed to not happen. Wouldn’t be shocked if we add one

 

[Heyjoe4]

Our WR room is sufficient to handle if Watson is gone for a while BUT I do think a toss at a WR pick in the draft is likely where this last year I felt was borderline guaranteed to not happen. Wouldn’t be shocked if we add one

Yeah the greater need is certainly at CB. I don't know what the FA market looks like for WR. We'll also have to wait and see the nature of Watson's injury. It reminded me of the time Jordy Nelson blew his ACL out in a preseason game, non-contact. Hope it's not that.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah the greater need is certainly at CB. I don't know what the FA market looks like for WR. We'll also have to wait and see the nature of Watson's injury. It reminded me of the time Jordy Nelson blew his ACL out in a preseason game, non-contact. Hope it's not that.

In truth the only veteran type WR I would listen to adding is a role type guy. I’ll get hung for saying this but MVS is a FA and if Watson is truly down adding back MVS to compliment Doubs, Reed, Kraft and Wicks.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In truth the only veteran type WR I would listen to adding is a role type guy. I’ll get hung for saying this but MVS is a FA and if Watson is truly down adding back MVS to compliment Doubs, Reed, Kraft and Wicks.

That's not a bad idea. MVS wouldn't cost much, he's still pretty fast, and the Packers still have a lot of good receivers.

I don't think lack of talent is a problem in GB. This team is more talented than last year's team. The problem is something deeper. In the last two games, the Packers just looked like they'd rather be somewhere else. I don't get it - both were important games.

So my expectations are pretty low for the game in Philly. I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just don't think that Stokes has ever had any natural ball instincts or is a playmaker which is why I think guys like that should not be picked in the 1st round. Just a guy you get in the 4th or 5th round. Never a difference maker.

I think this is the risk you take when you use a high pick on a guy that played in a very successful college program. Sometimes the players/coaches/opponents around you, make you look better than you actually are.

Now I know, scouts probably take that into account and you probably aren't going to use a high pick on a D3 standout, but I think individual players can be over-valued when they are surrounded by a ton of talent.

The Packers have 4 players that played on a very successful Georgia Bulldog team. All 4 are defensive players and 3 were 1st round picks, with Bullard being a 2nd rounder.

Stokes (29th pick)

Walker (22nd pick)

Wyatt (28th pick)

Bullard (58th pick)

 

[DoURant]

It reminded me of the time Jordy Nelson blew his ACL out in a preseason game, non-contact. Hope it's not that.

Jordy was the first thing I thought of, when they showed it on replay.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jordy was the first thing I thought of, when they showed it on replay.

Yeah and at least Jordy was playing on artificial turf, well I think so. I remember Rodgers was irate for risking his favorite target in a preseason game. He had a point.

My guess is that Watson is done in GB. I haven't heard anything definitive, but it's easy to see that this was an ACL injury. He was running straight and then buckled. He must have been planting his foot and his cleats dug in. Tragic stuff really. I like the guy and he's been plagued with injuries.

But best case would have him ready to play late October, and that's just not gonna work. I like the talent of the receiver group. Still, they need a true #1 WR. Just my opinion.

 

[PikeBadger]

It’s fair to say he isn’t a playmaker because he doesn’t make interceptions, he’s played very well of late. Not to the degree of his rookie year end performances but better.

I think we have at minimum one incoming FA minimum and I outside chance could say Gute might try swinging for two high picks. Maybe not two day 1s but with GB hosting and some awesome CBs, DLs and Edges in this draft if he can even at cost of next year draft get us to two in top 40 or so it would be a blast in GB

Playmaking also includes tackles for loss, forced fumbles, pbu's, blitzing, contribute on specials. Stokes checks none of those boxes. Ever. Both Nixon and Valentine do. Both bring far more value to the team than Stokes. He can adequately be replaced by just about anyone.

 

[PikeBadger]

I think this is the risk you take when you use a high pick on a guy that played in a very successful college program. Sometimes the players/coaches/opponents around you, make you look better than you actually are.

Now I know, scouts probably take that into account and you probably aren't going to use a high pick on a D3 standout, but I think individual players can be over-valued when they are surrounded by a ton of talent.

The Packers have 4 players that played on a very successful Georgia Bulldog team. All 4 are defensive players and 3 were 1st round picks, with Bullard being a 2nd rounder.

Stokes (29th pick)

Walker (22nd pick)

Wyatt (28th pick)

Bullard (58th pick)

Totally agree. I've always been very suspicious of Alabama and Georgia players. Most of them top out in college. Only the really big stars on those teams are worthy of taking a hard look at imo. They carry the rest of the team.

 

[tynimiller]

Playmaking also includes tackles for loss, forced fumbles, pbu's, blitzing, contribute on specials. Stokes checks none of those boxes. Ever. Both Nixon and Valentine do. Both bring far more value to the team than Stokes. He can adequately be replaced by just about anyone.

Eh likely any veteran that isn’t a Corey Ballantine or equivalent guy on rosters all over…Stokes is likely replaceable but I would never say by anyone especially how he’s been in coverage of late.

I actually wonder if Stokes won’t have a market and stays one year very low cost deal while GB also brings in two or three via FA and draft and if that pushes Stokes out so be it.

 

[milani]

I agree Gluten should try and get a solid CB in FA, much as he did with McKinney last year at safety. They have the cap room.

It might be a good idea to get a WR as well. If Watson tore his ACL yesterday his 2025 season is mostly done. Tyreek Hill wants out of Miami but imo it would be a mistake to go after him. Too expensive and too old. Still a very good WR, but not at his current price.

Hill would want to be the go to guy. Cannot blame him but the Packers appear to have a different culture now than in the Rodgers era.

 

[OldSchool101]

In truth the only veteran type WR I would listen to adding is a role type guy. I’ll get hung for saying this but MVS is a FA and if Watson is truly down adding back MVS to compliment Doubs, Reed, Kraft and Wicks.

Exactly what I was thinking. 3 Things. He’s acquainted with our System, he’s still playing at a high level and he recently signed a very reasonable contract (1X 1.1M). If he came back for anything under $2-3m I’d be elated.
The Packers still need a Bonafide #1. MVS and Watson play a specific role, but neither are that true #1. The frugal thing to do would be draft someone that’s not our usual project. I think you could find one at #22 or #54 overall etc in some capacity. I’ve always loved the slight move back such as #22 sliding back to #24-27 area which is gaining an extra pick in that later 3rd round neighborhood early 4th rounder. Then using a 3rd or 4th or 5th paired with a #54 (just projecting) in a slight trade up in RD2 if a WR we like falls outside a Top 40 overall selection.