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None of those guys they signed - Brown, Hopkins, JuJu are 1s at all...Chiefs are blessed that their leading receiver by design isn't a WR but a TE.

Worthy and Kelce are the only guys on KC's roster at both WR and TE that I personally feel is an upgrade vs our best four or five catchers (Kraft, Reed, Watson, Doubs, Wicks).
My point was, it worked for them. Pretty much a whole new WR corp. and none breaking the bank. Kelce wasn't that much more to the offense than Tucker Kraft was to the Packers. I think everyone equates having a great #1 WR with having a great offense. I just don't think that is true. Yes, the Packers don't have a Pro Bowl WR, but they also don't have a Pro Bowl QB or IMO, a Top Offensive play caller on the sidelines. There are other ways to improve the offense and spending $30M/year on a WR isn't the way to do it IMO.
 

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My point was, it worked for them. Pretty much a whole new WR corp. and none breaking the bank. Kelce wasn't that much more to the offense than Tucker Kraft was to the Packers. I think everyone equates having a great #1 WR with having a great offense. I just don't think that is true. Yes, the Packers don't have a Pro Bowl WR, but they also don't have a Pro Bowl QB or IMO, a Top Offensive play caller on the sidelines. There are other ways to improve the offense and spending $30M/year on a WR isn't the way to do it IMO.

Agreed.

Honestly, with the knowledge of how much GB likes our WR room - is the reason why I strongly think if the right WR doesn't fall to us, Gute should target their choice of a TE to supplement Kraft.
 

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My point was, it worked for them. Pretty much a whole new WR corp. and none breaking the bank. Kelce wasn't that much more to the offense than Tucker Kraft was to the Packers. I think everyone equates having a great #1 WR with having a great offense. I just don't think that is true.
I don't think it's a guarantee by any means, but I do think it's probably the case more often than not. At least if you're looking specifically at the top passing offenses in the league...they pretty much all have a more clear-cut #1 option than we do. And if they don't, that leads me to...
Yes, the Packers don't have a Pro Bowl WR, but they also don't have a Pro Bowl QB or IMO, a Top Offensive play caller on the sidelines. There are other ways to improve the offense and spending $30M/year on a WR isn't the way to do it IMO.

This part right here. You don't have to have a Pro Bowl WR but if you don't you're probably gonna need to have that offset by a QB playing at an All-Pro level or a great playcaller. You could probably argue that you're gonna need two out of those three things to have a championship-caliber offense really.
Look at your conference championship teams last week. The Commanders had OROY Daniels at QB. #1 in total QBR this season. McLaurin at WR (and Ertz is pretty dang good still). The Eagles have one of the best WR pairings in the league with Devonta Smith and AJ Brown. The Bills don't have that guy (although ironically Shakir ended up finishing largely in line with our "#1" this season in Reed), but they have the guy who will be MVP or MVP runner-up at QB. The Chiefs arguably don't have a great #1 WR, but Kelce at TE and a guy at QB who is already in the GOAT conversation (and same for their coach).
Currently... we don't have that guy at WR. We don't have a Pro-Bowl or MVP candidate at QB...and I think for many the verdict is out with regards to playcalling.

And that's all fine. I'm not saying we need to reinvent our WR room or that we should already be giving up on Love or firing LaFleur or any of that. The trouble for me is that IMO it seems like our success is going to be largely contingent (again) on a lot of parts ALL needing to take a step up, you know what I mean? If we don't get a proven option at WR then we're going to need Love to play at an absolutely ELITE level and need our playcalling to be able to compensate for our WR's shortcomings. If Love doesn't take that step, then we're gonna need a great WR to fall back on and a playcaller who can work around less-than-elite QB play. If we don't have a top playcaller directing things, we're going to simply need to have great enough players to out-skill/out-talent the opposition.

So it's not to say that every piece is faulty or in need of revamp/improvement...but that it feels like just improving ONE of those facets would put us a lot closer to where we want to be....and we're not changing QB anytime soon. We're not getting a new coach anytime soon that I can tell (and probably not a new playcaller). So if that logic holds up (which, honestly, It really might not lol), it would seem like adding a top proven player at WR is the "easiest" step to take there. (but that doesn't mean any of the current options are the right fit eiither, so it could all be moot lol)
 

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Agreed.

Honestly, with the knowledge of how much GB likes our WR room - is the reason why I strongly think if the right WR doesn't fall to us, Gute should target their choice of a TE to supplement Kraft.
The problem being that we are minus Watson.
 

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Agreed.

Honestly, with the knowledge of how much GB likes our WR room - is the reason why I strongly think if the right WR doesn't fall to us, Gute should target their choice of a TE to supplement Kraft.
If Tyler Warren drops to you at 23, do you draft him? ;)
 

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