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Message: <blockquote data-quote="weeds" data-source="post: 256143" data-attributes="member: 39">I don't think that #4 is the best QB of all time. His stats put him in the conversation though - and like it or not, stats are a big part of this kind of conversation - which is all pure speculation on all of our part anyhow.I'm one of those 'show me the rings' kinda guys but even that logic is flawed because when you take into account the players that surround an individual QB has EVERYTHING to do with their success. On the flip side of that coin, is the argument that the players are remembered as being integral in a QB's success because the team won. The Pack in the 60's, Steelers in the 70's, 9'ers in the 80's ... Nobody really in the 90's ... Hard call on who would be the greatest QB, much less the 10 best ... the only real measuring stick is ... say it with me ... 'show me the rings'... so... here I go...Bart Starr - 5 Championships in 7 years is STILL the standard!The way the game is played has changed so much that comparing different QB's by today's standards is virtually impossible - would Montana be as successful if he played today?  Would #4 still be in the league if not for Mike Holmgren? These time-space continuum posts really tax me this time of the day.</blockquote>

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