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<blockquote data-quote="GreenBaySlacker" data-source="post: 722557" data-attributes="member: 9780"><p>Honestly. I see a change of scheme at work here. Some are going to have to rewrite their definition of a 3-4...</p><p>The way I see it, in recent years we play a 2-4-5. we traded a 3-4 de for peppers/datone elephant olb. Moved a safety up to play lb since elephant was Basicly a lineman. Then replaced the safety with a tweener dback... essentially it became a very under sized 3-4 that depended on the dbacks to make tackles all too often.</p><p></p><p>Now I see a dline group capable of putting 3 very good dlineman on the field at once, plus rotation to keep them fresh and effective. More conventional olbs to rush and cover. And a diverse group of CBs who can be physical and man up. Our two pro bowl caliber safety's will clean up. Or I should say, be allowed to clean up, rather than being misused in coverage as a nickle/dime guy.</p><p>This is what I wanted since before I can remember. Our defense able to dictate that the offense can't put out 5 targets, and force them to protect the qb..</p><p></p><p>Picture this. It's my 5-2. It all starts with the nose. Nt must be dominant enough to literally force the double team every play. The type of guy who simply beats the other guy 1 on 1 so badly, that they dedicate the center to double him. +1 man advantage.</p><p></p><p>Now if you can add two very good DT type bodies on either side of the nose. Guys like Daniels, Guion, Clark, Francois, or the rookie Adams, lowry, or Ringo maybe. These guys will beat their guys 1 on 1 sometimes. That's what we need...</p><p>So there is 4 olinemen dedicated to stopping 3 dlineman, and we are getting a push on the 1 on 1s with Daniels/Guion/Clark, and hopefully Francois and the others...</p><p></p><p>Now the lbs swarm. Perry coming at the last tackle is another win for us, because 1 on 1, Perry will win some times, and finish as well. Perry is here to collect sacks, and he will.</p><p>The other 3 lbs can hit the holes. The way I see it. They need to play a zone where the lb without a blocker in front of him rushes. They keep a te in to block, you blitz Ryan or Martinez up the middle. They keep a rb back to block, you bring Mathews around the edge with a head of steam....</p><p></p><p>That's 5 rushers, all with the ability to win the 1 on 1. That will collapse the pocket. Even with all their blockers in...</p><p></p><p>Then you have two solid CBs who can man up on their #1 and #2 wrs. And two great safety who see the field, and keep everything in front of them. The lbs other than Perry, need to have good coverage skills. Ryan and Mathews both are very good cover lbs imo.</p><p></p><p>If a team plays a formation where we would need a nickle or even dime back. First of all, you take out a ilb (not a dlineman) The front five would destroy the qb. No team will allow their qb to get buried consistently..... So you play tough in the secondary. Play tight. Have lbs who hold their own in coverage. Have safeties who can do it all. Maybe they get a few on us. but make sure their they pay for them with lumps on their qb...smash him.</p><p></p><p>It takes a certain personal to play the 5-2. (3-4)... we didn't have it last year. After the moves Thompson made this off season. I think we could do it. Make the offense play our game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreenBaySlacker, post: 722557, member: 9780"] Honestly. I see a change of scheme at work here. Some are going to have to rewrite their definition of a 3-4... The way I see it, in recent years we play a 2-4-5. we traded a 3-4 de for peppers/datone elephant olb. Moved a safety up to play lb since elephant was Basicly a lineman. Then replaced the safety with a tweener dback... essentially it became a very under sized 3-4 that depended on the dbacks to make tackles all too often. Now I see a dline group capable of putting 3 very good dlineman on the field at once, plus rotation to keep them fresh and effective. More conventional olbs to rush and cover. And a diverse group of CBs who can be physical and man up. Our two pro bowl caliber safety's will clean up. Or I should say, be allowed to clean up, rather than being misused in coverage as a nickle/dime guy. This is what I wanted since before I can remember. Our defense able to dictate that the offense can't put out 5 targets, and force them to protect the qb.. Picture this. It's my 5-2. It all starts with the nose. Nt must be dominant enough to literally force the double team every play. The type of guy who simply beats the other guy 1 on 1 so badly, that they dedicate the center to double him. +1 man advantage. Now if you can add two very good DT type bodies on either side of the nose. Guys like Daniels, Guion, Clark, Francois, or the rookie Adams, lowry, or Ringo maybe. These guys will beat their guys 1 on 1 sometimes. That's what we need... So there is 4 olinemen dedicated to stopping 3 dlineman, and we are getting a push on the 1 on 1s with Daniels/Guion/Clark, and hopefully Francois and the others... Now the lbs swarm. Perry coming at the last tackle is another win for us, because 1 on 1, Perry will win some times, and finish as well. Perry is here to collect sacks, and he will. The other 3 lbs can hit the holes. The way I see it. They need to play a zone where the lb without a blocker in front of him rushes. They keep a te in to block, you blitz Ryan or Martinez up the middle. They keep a rb back to block, you bring Mathews around the edge with a head of steam.... That's 5 rushers, all with the ability to win the 1 on 1. That will collapse the pocket. Even with all their blockers in... Then you have two solid CBs who can man up on their #1 and #2 wrs. And two great safety who see the field, and keep everything in front of them. The lbs other than Perry, need to have good coverage skills. Ryan and Mathews both are very good cover lbs imo. If a team plays a formation where we would need a nickle or even dime back. First of all, you take out a ilb (not a dlineman) The front five would destroy the qb. No team will allow their qb to get buried consistently..... So you play tough in the secondary. Play tight. Have lbs who hold their own in coverage. Have safeties who can do it all. Maybe they get a few on us. but make sure their they pay for them with lumps on their qb...smash him. It takes a certain personal to play the 5-2. (3-4)... we didn't have it last year. After the moves Thompson made this off season. I think we could do it. Make the offense play our game. [/QUOTE]
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