Osi umenyiora dissed Aaron Rodgers?

[Riley82]

When he is on uktv he slates Rodgers a lot he said he never plays well against teams with a winning record.
The hail mary against the Giants was more bad defence.

 

[Dantés]

Who gives a **** what Osi Umenyiora says?

 

[sjb12681]

Think Dantes pretty much summed it up .

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Link? I have found nothing on Twitter/Google about this.

 

[RepStar15]

While I agree with Dante, I am finding it very difficult to argue Umenyoira’s point. Since 2013, I find it difficult to recollect Rodgers winning games, he should have lost. And the close ones he did win, were against teams he should have outright won to in the first place. I hope someone can change my mindset here.

Note: I am someone that believes Rodgers is the greatest QB we have ever seen. He has just never had the team/coach. If that makes a difference.

 

[Guacamole]

somewhere on the internet, it has him liking ******** on women.....literally, POS is into scat

 

[Deleted member 6794]

While I agree with Dante, I am finding it very difficult to argue Umenyoira’s point. Since 2013, I find it difficult to recollect Rodgers winning games, he should have lost. And the close ones he did win, were against teams he should have outright won to in the first place. I hope someone can change my mindset here.

Well, there's a point to be made that the Packers haven't had a lot of success against teams that made the playoffs (12th best winning percentage in the league since 2013) as well as opponents that finished the season with a winning record (17th).

The team ranks eights in points scored per game against playoff teams and seventh vs. opponent with a winning record though.

 

[longtimefan]

Link? I have found nothing on Twitter/Google about this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/46373416

 

[BrokenArrow]

Well, Rodgers doesn't play defense. So... there's that.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/46373416

Video won't play for me but assuming it's true, just another moronic ******* that doesn't watch the games, just goes by perception and what media tells him. It's the same argument why people didn't vote Mahomes for MVP this year, because he 'didn't win the big games' even though the offense averaged 40 ppg in those losses. These sports fans' opinions are what drives me insane about sports. I've been very critical of Rodgers this offseason, but to say he chokes in big games or isn't clutch drives me to a new level of insane because unfortunately many people think this way.

 

[azrsx05]

If the internet says it, then it must be true

 

[longtimefan]

Video won't play for me but assuming it's true, just another moronic ******* that doesn't watch the games, just goes by perception and what media tells him. It's the same argument why people didn't vote Mahomes for MVP this year, because he 'didn't win the big games' even though the offense averaged 40 ppg in those losses. These sports fans' opinions are what drives me insane about sports. I've been very critical of Rodgers this offseason, but to say he chokes in big games or isn't clutch drives me to a new level of insane because unfortunately many people think this way.

Google does work


https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/pos...s-inability-to-comeback-against-winning-teams

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Google does work


https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/pos...s-inability-to-comeback-against-winning-teams

I found it now, I probably spelled that *******'s last name wrong.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

There are plenty of smart non-American football followers but these guys should stick to soccer.

 

[Riley82]

There are plenty of smart non-American football followers but these guys should stick to soccer.

I love the NFL a big Packers supporter I have been since seen it on ch4 uk tv.
I do not agree with half Osi says.
He used to play for the Giants and we have Jason Bell also on uktv (BBC) Who also slates AR12.
We get the Know it all presenters on uktv Mike Carlson talks ike he is a HoFer but never played and Neil Reynolds on Sky Sports.

 

[gbgary]

I probably spelled that *******'s last name wrong.

Osi Uremanure.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Video won't play for me but assuming it's true, just another moronic ******* that doesn't watch the games, just goes by perception and what media tells him. It's the same argument why people didn't vote Mahomes for MVP this year, because he 'didn't win the big games' even though the offense averaged 40 ppg in those losses.

Actually only nine voters out of 50 didn't vote for Mahomes as the 2018 MVP. Fantasy football numbers aside Brees would have deserved the award though.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Actually only nine voters out of 50 didn't vote for Mahomes as the 2018 MVP. Fantasy football numbers aside Brees would have deserved the award though.

I know Albert Breer mentioned that, not sure if he has a vote. I was more so speaking about fans meaningless votes for MVP, not qualified voters.

Statistics are for losers to an extent but if you think Mahomes is just a stat ***** that isn't worthy of MVP than we'll just have to strongly disagree. Brees looked old at the end of the year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I know Albert Breer mentioned that, not sure if he has a vote. I was more so speaking about fans meaningless votes for MVP, not qualified voters.

Statistics are for losers to an extent but if you think Mahomes is just a stat ***** that isn't worthy of MVP than we'll just have to strongly disagree. Brees looked old at the end of the year.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Mahomes has a bright future but in my opinion he shouldn't have been voted the MVP in 2018.

 

[PackAttack12]

Don't get me wrong, I believe Mahomes has a bright future but in my opinion he shouldn't have been voted the MVP in 2018.

Based on what? The man threw 50 touchdown passes.

Lets take a look at even the guys in NFL history that have thrown 40+ touchdowns in a season:

(2013) Peyton Manning - 55 TDs - MVP
(2007) Tom Brady - 50 TDs - MVP
(2018) Patrick Mahomes - 50 TDs - MVP
(2004) Peyton Manning - 49 TDs - MVP
(1984) Dan Marino - 48 TDs - MVP
(2011) Drew Brees - 46 TDs
(2011) Aaron Rodgers - 45 TDs - MVP
(1986) Dan Marino - 44 TDs
(2012) Drew Brees - 43 TDs
(2011) Matt Stafford - 41 TDs
(1999) Kurt Warner - 41 TDs - MVP
(2014) Andrew Luck - 40 TDs
(2016) Aaron Rodgers - 40 TDs

Now obviously all players that have thrown 50+ have won the MVP and ever player that's in the top 5 have won the MVP. The first snub on the list is Drew Brees' 2011 season in which he got eclipsed by the guy right below him on the list with 45 TDs (Aaron Rodgers). Marino got eclipsed by Lawrence Taylor (not another quarterback), Brees in 2012 got eclipsed by Adrian Peterson (not another quarterback), Stafford got eclipsed by Aaron Rodgers who threw more TDs, Luck got eclipsed by Rodgers who threw just 2 fewer TDs but also had 11 more interceptions and inferior passer rating numbers. And Rodgers got snubbed by Matt Ryan who threw 3 fewer touchdown passes, but also had a passer rating off the charts and threw the same number of interceptions.

So really, the only 40+ touchdown seasons were eclipsed by other quarterbacks who had very comparable TD numbers (no more of a variance than 3), or it was eclipsed by exceptional outlier seasons from other positions (Taylor, Peterson).

When comparing Mahomes and Brees….

Mahomes -
50 TDs, 12 INTs, 113.8 passer rating, 81.8 QBR, 5,097 yards, 66% completions

Brees -
32 TDs, 5 INTs, 115.7 passer rating, 80.8 QBR, 3,992 yards, 74.4% completions

I understand the interceptions argument, but Mahomes attempted 91 more throws than Brees did. Passer rating and QBR's are remarkably similar, and for me, it's just tough to get past an 18 touchdown difference and a more than 1,000 yard difference.

Also keep in mind that Mahomes was doing this while only losing 4 games in which his defense allowed 41 points a game in those losses.

I just don't see any rational argument for snubbing a 50 TD/5,000 yard player.

 

[scotscheese]

Video won't play for me but assuming it's true, just another moronic ******* that doesn't watch the games, just goes by perception and what media tells him. It's the same argument why people didn't vote Mahomes for MVP this year, because he 'didn't win the big games' even though the offense averaged 40 ppg in those losses. These sports fans' opinions are what drives me insane about sports. I've been very critical of Rodgers this offseason, but to say he chokes in big games or isn't clutch drives me to a new level of insane because unfortunately many people think this way.

they found a stat that says AR is 0-37 when losing by one point or more in the 4th Q against winning teams, Osi actually says he is a fan of AR and has bigged him up, but possibly too much. they only look at that one stat and think it's pretty damning to then consider him the GOAT.

i always find Osi and Jason Bell to be fairly well rounded pundits, they give praise where it's due, and criticism where there needs to be

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Based on what? The man threw 50 touchdown passes.

Lets take a look at even the guys in NFL history that have thrown 40+ touchdowns in a season:

(2013) Peyton Manning - 55 TDs - MVP
(2007) Tom Brady - 50 TDs - MVP
(2018) Patrick Mahomes - 50 TDs - MVP
(2004) Peyton Manning - 49 TDs - MVP
(1984) Dan Marino - 48 TDs - MVP
(2011) Drew Brees - 46 TDs
(2011) Aaron Rodgers - 45 TDs - MVP
(1986) Dan Marino - 44 TDs
(2012) Drew Brees - 43 TDs
(2011) Matt Stafford - 41 TDs
(1999) Kurt Warner - 41 TDs - MVP
(2014) Andrew Luck - 40 TDs
(2016) Aaron Rodgers - 40 TDs

Now obviously all players that have thrown 50+ have won the MVP and ever player that's in the top 5 have won the MVP. The first snub on the list is Drew Brees' 2011 season in which he got eclipsed by the guy right below him on the list with 45 TDs (Aaron Rodgers). Marino got eclipsed by Lawrence Taylor (not another quarterback), Brees in 2012 got eclipsed by Adrian Peterson (not another quarterback), Stafford got eclipsed by Aaron Rodgers who threw more TDs, Luck got eclipsed by Rodgers who threw just 2 fewer TDs but also had 11 more interceptions and inferior passer rating numbers. And Rodgers got snubbed by Matt Ryan who threw 3 fewer touchdown passes, but also had a passer rating off the charts and threw the same number of interceptions.

So really, the only 40+ touchdown seasons were eclipsed by other quarterbacks who had very comparable TD numbers (no more of a variance than 3), or it was eclipsed by exceptional outlier seasons from other positions (Taylor, Peterson).

When comparing Mahomes and Brees….

Mahomes -
50 TDs, 12 INTs, 113.8 passer rating, 81.8 QBR, 5,097 yards, 66% completions

Brees -
32 TDs, 5 INTs, 115.7 passer rating, 80.8 QBR, 3,992 yards, 74.4% completions

I understand the interceptions argument, but Mahomes attempted 91 more throws than Brees did. Passer rating and QBR's are remarkably similar, and for me, it's just tough to get past an 18 touchdown difference and a more than 1,000 yard difference.

Also keep in mind that Mahomes was doing this while only losing 4 games in which his defense allowed 41 points a game in those losses.

I just don't see any rational argument for snubbing a 50 TD/5,000 yard player.

In my opinion there's more to being the MVP than throwing touchdown passes. I understand that's being overlooked when relying on fantasy football numbers to make a decision.

they found a stat that says AR is 0-37 when losing by one point or more in the 4th Q against winning teams, Osi actually says he is a fan of AR and has bigged him up, but possibly too much. they only look at that one stat and think it's pretty damning to then consider him the GOAT.

I won't put any effort into finding the correct number but the one you posted is definitely BS (week 1 vs. the Bears comes to my mind thinking about it for leas than a minute).

 

[PackAttack12]

In my opinion there's more to being the MVP than throwing touchdown passes. I understand that's being overlooked when relying on fantasy football numbers to make a decision.

So what is your criteria for Brees to be the MVP? I must have missed where you actually made your argument...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So what is your criteria for Brees to be the MVP? I must have missed where you actually made your argument...

Brees 74.4% completion percentage as well as his seven game winning drives would have been enough for me to name Brees the MVP on top of him having a slightly better passer rating the Mahomes.

 

[PackAttack12]

Brees 74.4% completion percentage as well as his seven game winning drives would have been enough for me to name Brees the MVP on top of him having a slightly better passer rating the Mahomes.

Game winning drives from a season MVP is overrated in my opinion given that the past 8 MVP winners at quarterback have averaged 2.12 game winning drives on average, with the most of the bunch being Cam Newton's 4 in 2015.

When you have a really dominant season, like '07 Brady, '11 Rodgers, '13 Manning, you don't have quite as many opportunities or really a need for game winning drives, as there were only 7 combined in those three MVP seasons.

Rodgers only had 1 each in his two MVP campaigns. Yet I doubt you feel the need to strip him of his awards.

I could counter the passer rating with the QBR. They're both so close that it's silly to make a case either way on that.

You got me on the completion percentage. But again, it's not enough to surpass the overwhelming discrepancy in TDs and yards. But those are "fantasy" stats that don't result in wins or losses so I guess they don't count.