Moves that would help the EFENSE.

[rodell330]

Yes I know it's spelled Defense...but, I intentionally left the D out because it does not exist nowadays in Green Bay.

I'd switch back to a 4-3 right after Capers was relieved of his duties.

2. Try my darndest to trade Clay Matthews if not I'd cut him. Point blank. He's fallen way off against the run and he's not a 4-3 backer and he'd be worthless in the middle unless he's blitzing every other play. Not paying 17 mill for that. Ryan is a natural olb anyways and I'm sure he'd be productive and PLAY more games.

3. Resign Nick Perry and let him play as a natural D end. Which I'm sure he'd much prefer to do anyways. He might get you six or 7 sacks and he's actually very good against the run. His health issues tho.

4. Resign Julius Peppers for cheap for one more year. He's outplayed just about everyone on the defense if you watch the film. I think him and Perry as natural D ends would work out just fine ...with a mix of Fakrell and Lowry coming in to spell either of the to. That's a pretty nice rotation. Of course Daniels and Clark would be my DTs.

Last but not least I'm paying up for Eric Berry. He's a playmaker on the back end we desperately need. I'm offering him a max deal. If HCD ever became consistent that's a very talented safety pair. Very talented.

Last but not least drafting the best corner available to cover ppl. I need someone over 6foot, and fast and physical. Good ball skills.

 

[longtimefan]

Peppers?

 

[Zartan]

The problem is non of the front guys is getting home enough to make a difference. Back during the 2010 SB run CM and company were able to consistently pressure the QBs enough to where our corners and safteys were able to int the ball or defend passes.

Right now we got street bums as our DBs and CM takes his in season vacation.

 

[RepStar15]

So our outside linebackers would be Julius Peppers (Who would now be forced into coverage against some TE, slot recievers and RB), Jake Ryan (our leading tackler and best run stopper), Dean Lowry and Kyler Frackerall (as back-up)...Blake Martinez on the inside with Joe Thomas as back up and Nick Perry and who a DE? With Clark and Daniels on the inside with Guion and who else as a back up?

Though I would love for this team to switch to a 4-3, it takes a lot of time for that to happen. We would need to draft accordingling for the next 3 years to make that transition smooth. We do not have the depth at each position to make that happen anytime soon.

Before we trade away Clay Matthews we should try and restructure his contract, because I do agree he is not worth the money we are paying and he has more than enough in endorsements.

 

[mradtke66]

I'd switch back to a 4-3 right after Capers was relieved of his duties.

This fixes nothing and potentially sets us back years and we have holes if we do this--we don't have a real 4-3 strong side OLB or a preferred strong side DE, for example. The pieces we do have if we switched to a 4-3 probably w0uldn't change.

The problems right now is with our secondary, not our front 7--not that they're playing great at the moment.

2. Try my darndest to trade Clay Matthews if not I'd cut him. Point blank. He's fallen way off against the run and he's not a 4-3 backer and he'd be worthless in the middle unless he's blitzing every other play.

Your criticisms, while a little true, are overblown. He's been very available recently. Before this year, the last time he missed extended time was the broken thumb.

Ryan is a natural olb anyways and I'm sure he'd be productive and PLAY more games.

I don't buy that. If we switched to a 4-3, Ryan would be the middle linebacker and Martinez the weak OLB. Understand that the two ILBs in a 3-4 = the middle and weak LB's in a 4-3.

3. Resign Nick Perry and let him play as a natural D end. Which I'm sure he'd much prefer to do anyways. He might get you six or 7 sacks and he's actually very good against the run. His health issues tho.

Doesn't change much other than his hand is in the dirt. No positive or negative change. But this does highlight something I said earlier. Perry is best as the weak/right rusher. So we have a hole at left/strong end.

4. Resign Julius Peppers for cheap for one more year. He's outplayed just about everyone on the defense if you watch the film.

Insanity. Peppers is more or less done. The more he's played, the worse he's played. Let the man retire.

with a mix of Fakrell

Undersized. He's 245-ish.

and Lowry coming in to spell either

Unsure to project right now. If he gets bigger/slower, he's a backup 3-technique. If he lightens up about 15-20 pounds MAYBE he could be a strong side DE. That's a big question mark.

Daniels and Clark would be my DTs.

Not bad, but you need at least 2 more guys. Pennel and Guion? I'm not necessarily sold either way. I don't really like anyone else on our roster to play 3-technique besides Daniels for an extended period of time.

Last but not least I'm paying up for Eric Berry. He's a playmaker on the back end we desperately need. I'm offering him a max deal. If HCD ever became consistent that's a very talented safety pair. Very talented.

Not a horrible idea, but I don't see it happening with box Burnett and HHCD under contract.

Last but not least drafting the best corner available to cover ppl.

I'm cool with drafting a corner, but there is no promise there is one worth where ever we end up picking.

I need someone over 6foot, and fast and physical. Good ball skills.

And with this wish list, it's even harder. You might as well ask for a Pony for Christmas. Those players are RARE and EVERYONE IN THE NFL wants that guy. It'll be hard to get such a player, even IF there is one in this year's draft.

 

[Shawnsta3]

Guion has outperformed Clark this year, and I don't think it's close. While I would normally expect improvement out of a second year player, recent drafting on the defensive side of the ball has me discouraged.

 

[rodell330]

Peppers?

Yes Peppers. He's had a solid year...definitely more reliable than Clay Matthews.

 

[XPack]

Trading Clay Matthews is as daft a suggestion as trading Rodgers, imo.

 

[longtimefan]

Yes Peppers. He's had a solid year...definitely more reliable than Clay Matthews.

Wow...

During the titan game I think he had 15 snaps.. There is a real reason for that.
re sign a 36 yr old player that cant get 20 snaps a game because of his inability to make a difference?

I am pretty sure it wont happen

 

[rodell330]

This fixes nothing and potentially sets us back years and we have holes if we do this--we don't have a real 4-3 strong side OLB or a preferred strong side DE, for example. The pieces we do have if we switched to a 4-3 probably w0uldn't change.

The problems right now is with our secondary, not our front 7--not that they're playing great at the moment.



Your criticisms, while a little true, are overblown. He's been very available recently. Before this year, the last time he missed extended time was the broken thumb.



I don't buy that. If we switched to a 4-3, Ryan would be the middle linebacker and Martinez the weak OLB. Understand that the two ILBs in a 3-4 = the middle and weak LB's in a 4-3.



Doesn't change much other than his hand is in the dirt. No positive or negative change. But this does highlight something I said earlier. Perry is best as the weak/right rusher. So we have a hole at left/strong end.



Insanity. Peppers is more or less done. The more he's played, the worse he's played. Let the man retire.


Undersized. He's 245-ish.



Unsure to project right now. If he gets bigger/slower, he's a backup 3-technique. If he lightens up about 15-20 pounds MAYBE he could be a strong side DE. That's a big question mark.



Not bad, but you need at least 2 more guys. Pennel and Guion? I'm not necessarily sold either way. I don't really like anyone else on our roster to play 3-technique besides Daniels for an extended period of time.



Not a horrible idea, but I don't see it happening with box Burnett and HHCD under contract.



I'm cool with drafting a corner, but there is no promise there is one worth where ever we end up picking.



And with this wish list, it's even harder. You might as well ask for a Pony for Christmas. Those players are RARE and EVERYONE IN THE NFL wants that guy. It'll be hard to get such a player, even IF there is one in this year's draft.

Where has the pass rush been? The secondary does stink... but part of that is because no one can get the other teams qb. Peppers has outplayed everyone at olb except Perry. So what does that say?

 

[longtimefan]

I think this is a thread meant to be funny?

 

[mradtke66]

Where has the pass rush been? The secondary does stink... but part of that is because no one can get the other teams qb. Peppers has outplayed everyone at olb except Perry. So what does that say?

Peppers had a good game against Washington, but that's it. Perry has been the best EDGE player on the roster this year.

Matthews I assume is still injured. He didn't do much.

 

[Half Empty]

And everything I read says Perry's fast start has tapered off considerably since Matthews went down.

 

[mradtke66]

And everything I read says Perry's fast start has tapered off considerably since Matthews went down.

I'll agree with that, but part of that is he's the only guy scaring people outside, so now he's getting the double teams and protection slides.

 

[longtimefan]

And everything I read says Perry's fast start has tapered off considerably since Matthews went down.

Perry needs clay to perform.

 

[Half Empty]

I'll agree with that, but part of that is he's the only guy scaring people outside, so now he's getting the double teams and protection slides.

All subjective, of course, but my take-away is that he's really not that good by himself, then.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I think this is a thread meant to be funny?

I think this is a season meant to be funny.

 

[mradtke66]

All subjective, of course, but my take-away is that he's really not that good by himself, then.

It's a fine line. Few players in this league are that good by themselves. A healthy Clay Matthews is. A younger Peppers is.

Perry just needs a credible threat opposite him and he'll thrive. He's still great at setting the edge in the run game, but he's not going to consistently win double teams when he's the only outside player that needs to be doubled.

 

[rodell330]

Perry needs clay to perform.

No, Clay needs Clay to perform.

 

[Scotland Yard]

The Packers almost NEVER play base 3-4 defense right now. For example, they only played FOUR snaps of 3-4 base vs. WA this last game. They mostly play nickel and dime with a 4-2 or 4-1 front (IMO, the two OLB's are functioning as DE's in this front, and it is usually Peppers & Perry who are much more DE than OLB in their careers).

So, to those who are stating they can't switch to a 4-3 because the Packers' personnel would have to be massively overhauled, I just have to strongly disagree. Here's why:

Mike Daniels is an ideal 3-technique. Think Aaron Donald of the Rams. Lovie Smith spent years looking for a guy like Daniels after Tommie Harris got hurt. The Packers are ready to go right now at 3-technique. Kenny Clark can absolutely play 1-technique in a 4-3 (I believe he's better suited to that than a 0-technique in the 3-4, IMO he's a little small for the zero.) Pennel should be fine as a rotational 1-technique.

Guion came from a 4-3 and many folks right here on these forums thought he couldn't function in a 3-4 when he first came to GB. But, now we don't have the guys to play 4-3?!

So, now you need the DE's. Perry can play DE, so, resign him. Lowry can be a rotational 4-3 DE at the very least. I'm about fed up with Datone Jones, but, he is ideally suited to play DE in a 4-3, and it might be just what he needs to have a successful career.

Fackrell is 6'5" tall and by adding 10-to-15 pounds would be as big or bigger than Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila (KGB was 6'4" 255lbs.) Matthews, I'd keep him as the pass rush specialist, he's still got a couple of 10-to-15 sack seasons in him in any defense.

Ryan and Martinez can play LB in a 4-3, MIKE and SAM probably. I'd play Martinez at SAM because his skill fits with guarding the TE. So, you've got to get a WILL, and that shouldn't be too hard because you can get a smaller guy in the 225-230lb. range with wheels and instincts to fly around and sniff out the plays...that is the one guy we don't have on the team right now (but, it could be argued that Matthews could lose 10 pounds, extend his career and would be an outstanding WILL. He really has the instincts and the speed for that to be his best position.)

 

[XPack]

Perry needs clay to perform.

Agreed. It's easy to contain an one dimensional threat.

 

[Passepartout]

Really hope that Clay Matthews can heal. As to trade him would be not smart of the team and the staffers that be. You can have one bad year when you are the star. But beyond that, it is a problem.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

When you know you've hit rock bottom: ESPN suggesting that the Packers sign ILB AJ Hawk to help the defense.

Wilde: Hawk return would be a "good idea"
Jason Wilde joins Homer and Gabe to entertain the idea if former Packers linebacker AJ Hawk possibly rejoining the team this year and if he could make an impact.

 

[Zartan]

When you know you've hit rock bottom: ESPN suggesting that the Packers sign ILB AJ Hawk to help the defense.

Wilde: Hawk return would be a "good idea"
Jason Wilde joins Homer and Gabe to entertain the idea if former Packers linebacker AJ Hawk possibly rejoining the team this year and if he could make an impact.

At this point it couldent hurt to have a fresh body in there.

 

[Ogsponge]

Keep the 34 defense and hire Dave Aranda