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<blockquote data-quote="mradtke66" data-source="post: 991503" data-attributes="member: 4199"><p>Nope, I like it. Also I'm not trying to quote out of order, by rather "this section of your quote," not necessarily the specific phrase. Especially when the original post is long.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't necessarily care about need. Are they players good enough to offset the lack of a high draft pick this year?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Two points. In general, if you're making the claim, you're responsible to provide the evidence. Similalry, I'll admit this is a stretch, but if you're making a case to do a thing or change someones mind, evidence helps to convince those people.</p><p></p><p>Second, this was some rhetorical. Maybe you take my question privately and think about it. Maybe you come back with a better argument. Maybe I accidentally kicked off a Socratic method back and forth.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now we switch gears from my attempt to be academic...ahem, HOL' UP MAN.</p><p></p><p>You want to trade a player, who would easily be the starter on what 27, 28 teams (don't make me count and look at the rosters, I'm tired and a little sick) for a 5th round end, an injured TE that missed the most recent season, and a second round player that has under-performed badly enough that he was traded? A second round player that could end up being cut?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I fail to see what value we'd actually get from those three players. Maybe a hope and a dream. I understand you'd get future draft picks, but good lord. Taking those three players is potentially doing a favor for the Jets, not getting something in return. Frankly, I don't think I'd offer a 5th to get all 3 guys. Further, do the Packers even like those players? Did they scout them and then fail them off their boards?</p><p></p><p>I think you're too hung up on Rodgers cap hit. Yes, whenever he's officially gone, we'll have a year of pain. Depending on exactly when, could be one big bad year or two medium bad years (Post June 1 tricks). But then the contract is gone. Loads of cap space just became free. </p><p></p><p>The scenario you're proposing lines up with the Texans getting rid of Brock. Brock and a 2 in exchange for a 7th to get out from under the cap. The key detail there was Brock was terrible, he had almost 0 value. Rodgers still has a lot of value. Yes, he loses some because of his age. Yes, he might rub some front-offices the wrong way. But his risk is more a question of how much longer he'll play, not if he's still good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mradtke66, post: 991503, member: 4199"] Nope, I like it. Also I'm not trying to quote out of order, by rather "this section of your quote," not necessarily the specific phrase. Especially when the original post is long. I don't necessarily care about need. Are they players good enough to offset the lack of a high draft pick this year? Two points. In general, if you're making the claim, you're responsible to provide the evidence. Similalry, I'll admit this is a stretch, but if you're making a case to do a thing or change someones mind, evidence helps to convince those people. Second, this was some rhetorical. Maybe you take my question privately and think about it. Maybe you come back with a better argument. Maybe I accidentally kicked off a Socratic method back and forth. Now we switch gears from my attempt to be academic...ahem, HOL' UP MAN. You want to trade a player, who would easily be the starter on what 27, 28 teams (don't make me count and look at the rosters, I'm tired and a little sick) for a 5th round end, an injured TE that missed the most recent season, and a second round player that has under-performed badly enough that he was traded? A second round player that could end up being cut? I fail to see what value we'd actually get from those three players. Maybe a hope and a dream. I understand you'd get future draft picks, but good lord. Taking those three players is potentially doing a favor for the Jets, not getting something in return. Frankly, I don't think I'd offer a 5th to get all 3 guys. Further, do the Packers even like those players? Did they scout them and then fail them off their boards? I think you're too hung up on Rodgers cap hit. Yes, whenever he's officially gone, we'll have a year of pain. Depending on exactly when, could be one big bad year or two medium bad years (Post June 1 tricks). But then the contract is gone. Loads of cap space just became free. The scenario you're proposing lines up with the Texans getting rid of Brock. Brock and a 2 in exchange for a 7th to get out from under the cap. The key detail there was Brock was terrible, he had almost 0 value. Rodgers still has a lot of value. Yes, he loses some because of his age. Yes, he might rub some front-offices the wrong way. But his risk is more a question of how much longer he'll play, not if he's still good. [/QUOTE]
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