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<blockquote data-quote="IPBprez" data-source="post: 42752" data-attributes="member: 51"><p>What is this a David Letterman Forum Board?</p><p></p><p></p><p>First up - this is idiocy, in of itself - Coaches salaries don't count against the Cap - so why bring it up at all - the fans pay for the Coaches when they buy Packers paraphenalia at the Pro Shop, etc.</p><p></p><p>Then why fire Ray Rhodes? He never went 4-12, correct? To quote - Steelers actually came very close to firing Mr. Chin/Cowah - and the Steeler fans were even more adamant about the losing seasons than you cheeseheads have shown me so far!</p><p></p><p>Isn't this exactly what the Eagles did when they hired Andy Reid? How many SuperBowls has he won? He, at least, has been to one, while Sherman never got past the first round, ever - probably won't, either!</p><p></p><p>Favre is not a God - nor should he ever be treated like one. Gilbert Brown made sure we were in two SuperBowls, just as much as Favre did - yet, look at how the Packers Org has treated him. I get real tired of hypocrisy....real fast. Favre gets treated like what he is (currently, a mediocre QB, at best - especially with that INT record) ... Truth is, no QB out there has ever been "the whole team" and Favre isn't going to start a new revolution, either. He made plenty of mistakes and actually cost us, at least two, possibly three, games this season - all by himself. You can all knock off the idolitry... If you're going to be an acolyte - be a <em>PACKERS</em> acolyte - try it, you might like it.</p><p></p><p>Truth be known, Bob Harlan had very little interaction, either - have any of you ever tried to get a meeting with the guy? Say, day after a game? The GM's are extremely busy every day of their careers - that comment has absolutely no concept...</p><p></p><p>This comment is called DECOY CONVERSATION - because it is... (Sherman was the root of that evil)</p><p>Wahle was going to get (what?) 11 mil... and Rivera had already tested the waters. Sharper wasn't wrth the cash he was already getting - and all of you know it. He didn't shake the planet Earth, up in Minneapolis!</p><p></p><p>Like No. 6 - this is again aimed at the wrong person, as the cause - Mike Sherman put the Packers in the wrong position financially - repeat after me - say, Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson!</p><p></p><p>The Packers were at a crossroads in talent - either keep getting 'older' players all the time, like Carolina tried to do in the beginning, or get some fresh meat on the table for a change - the Packers were getting old-er... and we needed the new energy - plus it helped us get some much needed cash in the bank - would you rather be stuck in the mud like SanFran?</p><p></p><p>With exception of possibly one, or two positions - TT did pretty well in the Draft, all considered. Nick Collins will be a Pro Bowler before you know it. Terence Murphy may yet come back and be strong. Will Whitticker did quite well at Tackle for a <em>ROOKIE</em> - it was Klemm and Wells on the other side, mostly, who left us challlenged on Offense.</p><p></p><p>TT decided to maintain the Packers approach to NFL football from the Offensive side of the ball - not the Defensive. Many teams make this decision as their main premise. It's not wrong - it just is.... Bates "could have stayed" - <em>HE</em> chose not to hang around.. Who's to say that wherever he ends up - he'll do any better at getting to the SuperBowl - I congratulate him NOW, if he's there next year - but, I highly doubt it.</p><p></p><p>Where does this idolitry come from - and what were Koren Robinson's neighborhood stats this last year? I don't remember his name popping out in the Media every morning - Czabe hardly ever spoke about the guy - I'm not missin' him much - in the beginning of the 2005 Season, we all had high hopes, but (to me) the Sherman training camp ethic left much to be desired and it did NOT toughen up our players as it should have - that, all by itself, had as much to do with why the injury bug hit the Packers so hard this last year. <em>THEY WEREN'T READY... AND REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT.</em> Those Players, almost to man, were constantly winded going down the stretch of almost every game - it shouldn't have taken four to five games, before they finally got back up to regular season speed. THAT was one of Sherman's BIGGEST failures throughout his tenure at Lambeau - it will...follow him.</p><p></p><p>Oh, this smear was totally grand - he hasn't got a clue to who Bob Harlan really is - but most Packer fans can see it, every time they walk up to Lambeau - the true first wonder of Football - like the Taj Mahal. Yeah, sure... there's no respect for the Org when you look at it that way... Man, some people!</p><p>------</p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually like Mike Ditka, these days, that is --- but, back in the day? He was a punk and the Players respected him as much, while he coached. I guess TT should at least be thankful Mikey took time out to look in Green Bay's direction - many teams don't get that honor.... geeesh!</p><p></p><p>JMHO's!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IPBprez, post: 42752, member: 51"] What is this a David Letterman Forum Board? First up - this is idiocy, in of itself - Coaches salaries don't count against the Cap - so why bring it up at all - the fans pay for the Coaches when they buy Packers paraphenalia at the Pro Shop, etc. Then why fire Ray Rhodes? He never went 4-12, correct? To quote - Steelers actually came very close to firing Mr. Chin/Cowah - and the Steeler fans were even more adamant about the losing seasons than you cheeseheads have shown me so far! Isn't this exactly what the Eagles did when they hired Andy Reid? How many SuperBowls has he won? He, at least, has been to one, while Sherman never got past the first round, ever - probably won't, either! Favre is not a God - nor should he ever be treated like one. Gilbert Brown made sure we were in two SuperBowls, just as much as Favre did - yet, look at how the Packers Org has treated him. I get real tired of hypocrisy....real fast. Favre gets treated like what he is (currently, a mediocre QB, at best - especially with that INT record) ... Truth is, no QB out there has ever been "the whole team" and Favre isn't going to start a new revolution, either. He made plenty of mistakes and actually cost us, at least two, possibly three, games this season - all by himself. You can all knock off the idolitry... If you're going to be an acolyte - be a [i]PACKERS[/i] acolyte - try it, you might like it. Truth be known, Bob Harlan had very little interaction, either - have any of you ever tried to get a meeting with the guy? Say, day after a game? The GM's are extremely busy every day of their careers - that comment has absolutely no concept... This comment is called DECOY CONVERSATION - because it is... (Sherman was the root of that evil) Wahle was going to get (what?) 11 mil... and Rivera had already tested the waters. Sharper wasn't wrth the cash he was already getting - and all of you know it. He didn't shake the planet Earth, up in Minneapolis! Like No. 6 - this is again aimed at the wrong person, as the cause - Mike Sherman put the Packers in the wrong position financially - repeat after me - say, Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson! The Packers were at a crossroads in talent - either keep getting 'older' players all the time, like Carolina tried to do in the beginning, or get some fresh meat on the table for a change - the Packers were getting old-er... and we needed the new energy - plus it helped us get some much needed cash in the bank - would you rather be stuck in the mud like SanFran? With exception of possibly one, or two positions - TT did pretty well in the Draft, all considered. Nick Collins will be a Pro Bowler before you know it. Terence Murphy may yet come back and be strong. Will Whitticker did quite well at Tackle for a [i]ROOKIE[/i] - it was Klemm and Wells on the other side, mostly, who left us challlenged on Offense. TT decided to maintain the Packers approach to NFL football from the Offensive side of the ball - not the Defensive. Many teams make this decision as their main premise. It's not wrong - it just is.... Bates "could have stayed" - [i]HE[/i] chose not to hang around.. Who's to say that wherever he ends up - he'll do any better at getting to the SuperBowl - I congratulate him NOW, if he's there next year - but, I highly doubt it. Where does this idolitry come from - and what were Koren Robinson's neighborhood stats this last year? I don't remember his name popping out in the Media every morning - Czabe hardly ever spoke about the guy - I'm not missin' him much - in the beginning of the 2005 Season, we all had high hopes, but (to me) the Sherman training camp ethic left much to be desired and it did NOT toughen up our players as it should have - that, all by itself, had as much to do with why the injury bug hit the Packers so hard this last year. [i]THEY WEREN'T READY... AND REAL FOOTBALL PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT.[/i] Those Players, almost to man, were constantly winded going down the stretch of almost every game - it shouldn't have taken four to five games, before they finally got back up to regular season speed. THAT was one of Sherman's BIGGEST failures throughout his tenure at Lambeau - it will...follow him. Oh, this smear was totally grand - he hasn't got a clue to who Bob Harlan really is - but most Packer fans can see it, every time they walk up to Lambeau - the true first wonder of Football - like the Taj Mahal. Yeah, sure... there's no respect for the Org when you look at it that way... Man, some people! ------ I actually like Mike Ditka, these days, that is --- but, back in the day? He was a punk and the Players respected him as much, while he coached. I guess TT should at least be thankful Mikey took time out to look in Green Bay's direction - many teams don't get that honor.... geeesh! JMHO's! [/QUOTE]
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