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<blockquote data-quote="Thirteen Below" data-source="post: 1062601" data-attributes="member: 18006"><p>First, I want to say I really appreciate how much effort and insight you put into this. I'm glad Old School chimed in too, hopefully Tyni will find it interesting enough to set aside some time for it. Love to hear even more from him, although obviously he's had a lot to contribute to other threads. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I saw another dimension to it, especially in the larger context of Savion Williams in Round 3. </p><p></p><p>At the end of the 2023 season, the Packers had good reason to believe they had by far the best group of 1st and 2nd year receivers in the NFL, and a Top 10 quarterback. Gute had every reason to believe that the entire group would likely take a step forward in 24, and Green Bay was only a couple of pieces away at a few other position groups from making a serious run at the Lombardi.</p><p></p><p>And we had a couple of promising young WRs who weren't quite good enough to start, but showed promise to improve and fight for a starting role.</p><p></p><p>Come 24, that.... didn't happen. At all. None of it.</p><p></p><p>3 of the 4 receivers {Watson, Doubs, and Wicks) either failed to take the next step forward, or outright took a step back. Reed was (at best) a push. More yards, but fewer catches and TDs.</p><p></p><p>Further, the "insurance" players, Melton and Heath, did not seize the opportunity to step up and show that they were ready to pick up the slack.</p><p></p><p>So Gute had no idea which version of the WRs we were going to see in '25 - the '23 producers, or the '24 disappointments. Which was dangerous on 2 levels; 1st of all that Green Bay would have a poor '25 season, and 2nd, that going into '26, we were not going to have enough information to decide on who needs to be extended and who needs to be let walk. </p><p></p><p>This draft looks like "covering your *** on every level". He replaced Watson's role in the offense by giving Lafleur a serious downfield threat, which should immediately make our whole offense function much better.</p><p></p><p>But we're also getting a good look at 2 new WRs who may be ready to replace our present WRs going into '26, and insuring competition for the current WRs and making sure they know we're looking for their replacements, so they'd better get their act together. I think Gute is expecting some improvements from the current players, but is not comfortable assuming it. He's making sure that one way or another, WR is covered next year.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1000%.</p><p></p><p>Gutekunst and Lafleur seem to increasingly understand that the key to making a Top 10 quarterback successful is to impose the running game on the other team. They stood there on the sideline last season too many times, helplessly watching while the opposition manhandled our people in the trenches, and apparently decided that <em>we're </em>going to be doing the manhandling. </p><p></p><p>I like that direction.... during the Lombardi dynasty years, and the Favre Super Bowl and MVP seasons through the early 2000s, it was the O line who made everything else happen - Wahle, Rivera, Clifton, Timmerman, Dotson, Winters, and Ahman Green and Dorsey Levens who made everything possible... and then Clifton, Sitton, Bulaga, etc in Rodgers' early years.</p><p></p><p>Despite our history of HOF quarterbacks, Green Bay's most dominant years have <em>always </em>been built on the foundation of a superb offensive line and punishing running game That's the traditional Packer culture. Gutekunst finally seems to be rebuilding that foundation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gutekunst has expressed a couple of times that he and Hafley feel that the D line have turned a corner and will have a big year in '25. The fact that he didn't invest early picks, or even a lot of picks, on that position group seems to suggest he's pretty certain of it.</p><p></p><p>5 or 6 months from now, we'll know whether he's right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thirteen Below, post: 1062601, member: 18006"] First, I want to say I really appreciate how much effort and insight you put into this. I'm glad Old School chimed in too, hopefully Tyni will find it interesting enough to set aside some time for it. Love to hear even more from him, although obviously he's had a lot to contribute to other threads. I saw another dimension to it, especially in the larger context of Savion Williams in Round 3. At the end of the 2023 season, the Packers had good reason to believe they had by far the best group of 1st and 2nd year receivers in the NFL, and a Top 10 quarterback. Gute had every reason to believe that the entire group would likely take a step forward in 24, and Green Bay was only a couple of pieces away at a few other position groups from making a serious run at the Lombardi. And we had a couple of promising young WRs who weren't quite good enough to start, but showed promise to improve and fight for a starting role. Come 24, that.... didn't happen. At all. None of it. 3 of the 4 receivers {Watson, Doubs, and Wicks) either failed to take the next step forward, or outright took a step back. Reed was (at best) a push. More yards, but fewer catches and TDs. Further, the "insurance" players, Melton and Heath, did not seize the opportunity to step up and show that they were ready to pick up the slack. So Gute had no idea which version of the WRs we were going to see in '25 - the '23 producers, or the '24 disappointments. Which was dangerous on 2 levels; 1st of all that Green Bay would have a poor '25 season, and 2nd, that going into '26, we were not going to have enough information to decide on who needs to be extended and who needs to be let walk. This draft looks like "covering your *** on every level". He replaced Watson's role in the offense by giving Lafleur a serious downfield threat, which should immediately make our whole offense function much better. But we're also getting a good look at 2 new WRs who may be ready to replace our present WRs going into '26, and insuring competition for the current WRs and making sure they know we're looking for their replacements, so they'd better get their act together. I think Gute is expecting some improvements from the current players, but is not comfortable assuming it. He's making sure that one way or another, WR is covered next year. 1000%. Gutekunst and Lafleur seem to increasingly understand that the key to making a Top 10 quarterback successful is to impose the running game on the other team. They stood there on the sideline last season too many times, helplessly watching while the opposition manhandled our people in the trenches, and apparently decided that [I]we're [/I]going to be doing the manhandling. I like that direction.... during the Lombardi dynasty years, and the Favre Super Bowl and MVP seasons through the early 2000s, it was the O line who made everything else happen - Wahle, Rivera, Clifton, Timmerman, Dotson, Winters, and Ahman Green and Dorsey Levens who made everything possible... and then Clifton, Sitton, Bulaga, etc in Rodgers' early years. Despite our history of HOF quarterbacks, Green Bay's most dominant years have [I]always [/I]been built on the foundation of a superb offensive line and punishing running game That's the traditional Packer culture. Gutekunst finally seems to be rebuilding that foundation. Gutekunst has expressed a couple of times that he and Hafley feel that the D line have turned a corner and will have a big year in '25. The fact that he didn't invest early picks, or even a lot of picks, on that position group seems to suggest he's pretty certain of it. 5 or 6 months from now, we'll know whether he's right. [/QUOTE]
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