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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 722708" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>I'll use this space to post my thoughts on the class. I don't really like the idea of post-draft grades (well... I do, but only until 2-3 years have gone by). But I do have some takes and I'll share them here if anyone cares. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#33, Kevin King, CB, UW: </strong>King was in many of our crosshairs and for good reason. I think we all know the reasons to like him by now-- freakish size, athleticism, and ball skills at a position of need. So what I will say here is that I loved the trade down for him. We got extra draft capital without giving up really much of anything, as King could easily have been the pick at #29. I never expected a trade down to be an option unless it was for a QB. But obviously I stand corrected.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#61, Josh Jones, DB, BC: </strong>Safety was definitely on my radar as a possible target position, but not this high. Consequently, I didn't spend my time researching the top safeties. But since the pick has happened, I've become highly intrigued. Jones has safety size and pop with corner athleticism and skills. He apparently played single high, in the box, and over the slot. He profiles as a good candidate to take over Hyde's role and/or a starting safety job. I was talking to a QB coach of a local college this morning who worked for two years in Raleigh as a GA. He said that he would be shocked if Jones doesn't make an impact as a rookie. He added that when he was playing closer to 210 (220 at the combine), he was running in the 4.3's (4.41 in Indianapolis).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#93, Montravious Adams, DL, AUB: </strong>Another position I wasn't anticipating this early just because of the relative weakness of the DL class. I expected prospects of this caliber to go earlier to teams with greater need at the position. But despite the down year for DL, Adams was well worth a late 3rd as an individual prospect. I'm glad that this is the type of DL they targeted, as he's a penetrating 3T type. We rely too heavily on Daniels (and basically no one else) for that role. Aside from him, we have bigger edge players like Lowry and 1T types like Clark, Guion, and RJF. I'm excited to see what the rookie can do, and what Daniels can do if he's better spelled/rested. Adams is supposed to have been one of, if not the most dominant players during Sr. Bowl week.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#108, Vince Biegel, EDGE, WISC: </strong>This is my favorite pick of the draft. I love, love, love that they turned 29 in King AND Biegel. I was a little miffed on Friday that they didn't take an edge rusher. Biegel was the last one on the board that I really liked and they snatched him right out of the gate. He had a down year playing with a broken foot, but if you look back at his previous seasons you can see where the trajectory was headed. That down year, in my opinion, allowed the Packers to land a steal. Despite the conventional wisdom on the kid, he's a fantastic athlete (in addition to being a really skilled player). Here is the list of drafted edge players going back to 1999 who had a 6.92 or better in the 3C and a 118" or better broad jump at the combine, as Biegel did (on measurables alone, you're looking at a hit rate of about 75% here):<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Kyle Vanden Bosch</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">David Pollack</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">J.J. Watt</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Joey Bosa</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Devin Taylor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Brian Robison</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Daniel Te'o-Nesheim</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Von Miller</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bruce Irvin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Barkevious Mingo</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Demarcus Ware</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Connor Barwin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clay Matthews</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Manny Lawson</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vic Beasley</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#134, Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU: </strong>This was the first pick that I really kind of quibbled with. The position makes a lot of sense, obviously. But I really like Brian Hill who was still on the board. I get that what Williams offers, namely power, balance, and YAC, isn't really measurable so the tests aren't going to show it. But I just question that a 6' 212 lb back is going to be a big power threat in the pros. I like that he's a north/south slasher and I've read he's strong in pass pro (that's big for the Packers). So there are qualities to appreciate, but he isn't the choice I would have made here. May he make me eat those words.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#175, DeAngelo Yancey, WR, PUR: </strong>I figured that if they didn't draft a WR early, they'd take a swing on a talented guy with size later in the draft. Here it is. Based on his pro day numbers, Yancey had really solid testing results really across the board. They all hovered around the 50th%. Which, when you're talking about a 6'1" 220 pound player, is pretty exceptional. 3 Sigma Athlete had him in the 72nd percentile. I really know nothing about the kid on the football field, but when you get into the later picks I very much approve of throwing darts with plus athletes. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#182, Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP: </strong>I really like this pick, as Ted is bringing a lot of variety into the backfield (reminiscent of the Pats, actually). Jones is one of the best athletes at his position in the draft. He's built like a slight bigger version of Ray Rice, and turned in a fantastic combine performance after a really productive career. His 7.7 YPC needs to be taken with a grain of salt given his level of competition, but he did shred Texas when they played last year. He's also been a fairly prolific receiver, and has unusually long arms and big hands for his position which bodes well for transferring that skill set.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#212, Kofi Amichia, OL, USF: </strong>I trawled the positional rankings across the web for undersized tackles with great 3C and SS times who could move to guard. Those types of players have become synonymous with TT as a GM. I missed Amichia because he never had those times published. My guess is that he did quite well in those drills. But he profiles exactly like a TT lineman. Hopefully he becomes another in a long line of mid-late round gems. PFF had him with a mere 9 pressures allowed in 403 pass blocks attempts last year.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#238, Davante Mays, RB, USU: </strong>This was the first pick that I had never heard of. After some research, I like the move in the 7th round. I also love that TT threw so many darts at RB. These guys all have unique skill sets and should be able to carve out roles (while showing Michael the door). Mays is a bowling ball. At 5'10" 230 lbs, he ran a 4.52 and jumped 40.5". That's absurd. He tests and plays like a bowling ball. Had he not missed time with an ankle, he may well have gone much early. And again, in the late rounds you take swings on athletes. Players take their traits with them to the pros, but they can't bring their production along. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>#247, Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU: </strong>Criminally underutilized at LSU, Dupre really ought to have gone much higher than this. He isn't a shifty player, but he's got length, decent speed, and can out jump just about anyone. He should be able to challenge for a role as a vertical boundary receiver and ST gunner. It worked out in our interest that the Tigers have no idea how to use their receivers or run an effective offense. </li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 722708, member: 12283"] I'll use this space to post my thoughts on the class. I don't really like the idea of post-draft grades (well... I do, but only until 2-3 years have gone by). But I do have some takes and I'll share them here if anyone cares. [LIST] [*][B]#33, Kevin King, CB, UW: [/B]King was in many of our crosshairs and for good reason. I think we all know the reasons to like him by now-- freakish size, athleticism, and ball skills at a position of need. So what I will say here is that I loved the trade down for him. We got extra draft capital without giving up really much of anything, as King could easily have been the pick at #29. I never expected a trade down to be an option unless it was for a QB. But obviously I stand corrected. [*][B]#61, Josh Jones, DB, BC: [/B]Safety was definitely on my radar as a possible target position, but not this high. Consequently, I didn't spend my time researching the top safeties. But since the pick has happened, I've become highly intrigued. Jones has safety size and pop with corner athleticism and skills. He apparently played single high, in the box, and over the slot. He profiles as a good candidate to take over Hyde's role and/or a starting safety job. I was talking to a QB coach of a local college this morning who worked for two years in Raleigh as a GA. He said that he would be shocked if Jones doesn't make an impact as a rookie. He added that when he was playing closer to 210 (220 at the combine), he was running in the 4.3's (4.41 in Indianapolis). [*][B]#93, Montravious Adams, DL, AUB: [/B]Another position I wasn't anticipating this early just because of the relative weakness of the DL class. I expected prospects of this caliber to go earlier to teams with greater need at the position. But despite the down year for DL, Adams was well worth a late 3rd as an individual prospect. I'm glad that this is the type of DL they targeted, as he's a penetrating 3T type. We rely too heavily on Daniels (and basically no one else) for that role. Aside from him, we have bigger edge players like Lowry and 1T types like Clark, Guion, and RJF. I'm excited to see what the rookie can do, and what Daniels can do if he's better spelled/rested. Adams is supposed to have been one of, if not the most dominant players during Sr. Bowl week. [*][B]#108, Vince Biegel, EDGE, WISC: [/B]This is my favorite pick of the draft. I love, love, love that they turned 29 in King AND Biegel. I was a little miffed on Friday that they didn't take an edge rusher. Biegel was the last one on the board that I really liked and they snatched him right out of the gate. He had a down year playing with a broken foot, but if you look back at his previous seasons you can see where the trajectory was headed. That down year, in my opinion, allowed the Packers to land a steal. Despite the conventional wisdom on the kid, he's a fantastic athlete (in addition to being a really skilled player). Here is the list of drafted edge players going back to 1999 who had a 6.92 or better in the 3C and a 118" or better broad jump at the combine, as Biegel did (on measurables alone, you're looking at a hit rate of about 75% here): [LIST] [*]Kyle Vanden Bosch [*]David Pollack [*]J.J. Watt [*]Joey Bosa [*]Devin Taylor [*]Brian Robison [*]Daniel Te'o-Nesheim [*]Von Miller [*]Bruce Irvin [*]Barkevious Mingo [*]Demarcus Ware [*]Connor Barwin [*]Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila [*]Clay Matthews [*]Manny Lawson [*]Vic Beasley [/LIST] [*][B]#134, Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU: [/B]This was the first pick that I really kind of quibbled with. The position makes a lot of sense, obviously. But I really like Brian Hill who was still on the board. I get that what Williams offers, namely power, balance, and YAC, isn't really measurable so the tests aren't going to show it. But I just question that a 6' 212 lb back is going to be a big power threat in the pros. I like that he's a north/south slasher and I've read he's strong in pass pro (that's big for the Packers). So there are qualities to appreciate, but he isn't the choice I would have made here. May he make me eat those words. [*][B]#175, DeAngelo Yancey, WR, PUR: [/B]I figured that if they didn't draft a WR early, they'd take a swing on a talented guy with size later in the draft. Here it is. Based on his pro day numbers, Yancey had really solid testing results really across the board. They all hovered around the 50th%. Which, when you're talking about a 6'1" 220 pound player, is pretty exceptional. 3 Sigma Athlete had him in the 72nd percentile. I really know nothing about the kid on the football field, but when you get into the later picks I very much approve of throwing darts with plus athletes. [*][B]#182, Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP: [/B]I really like this pick, as Ted is bringing a lot of variety into the backfield (reminiscent of the Pats, actually). Jones is one of the best athletes at his position in the draft. He's built like a slight bigger version of Ray Rice, and turned in a fantastic combine performance after a really productive career. His 7.7 YPC needs to be taken with a grain of salt given his level of competition, but he did shred Texas when they played last year. He's also been a fairly prolific receiver, and has unusually long arms and big hands for his position which bodes well for transferring that skill set. [*][B]#212, Kofi Amichia, OL, USF: [/B]I trawled the positional rankings across the web for undersized tackles with great 3C and SS times who could move to guard. Those types of players have become synonymous with TT as a GM. I missed Amichia because he never had those times published. My guess is that he did quite well in those drills. But he profiles exactly like a TT lineman. Hopefully he becomes another in a long line of mid-late round gems. PFF had him with a mere 9 pressures allowed in 403 pass blocks attempts last year. [*][B]#238, Davante Mays, RB, USU: [/B]This was the first pick that I had never heard of. After some research, I like the move in the 7th round. I also love that TT threw so many darts at RB. These guys all have unique skill sets and should be able to carve out roles (while showing Michael the door). Mays is a bowling ball. At 5'10" 230 lbs, he ran a 4.52 and jumped 40.5". That's absurd. He tests and plays like a bowling ball. Had he not missed time with an ankle, he may well have gone much early. And again, in the late rounds you take swings on athletes. Players take their traits with them to the pros, but they can't bring their production along. [*][B]#247, Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU: [/B]Criminally underutilized at LSU, Dupre really ought to have gone much higher than this. He isn't a shifty player, but he's got length, decent speed, and can out jump just about anyone. He should be able to challenge for a role as a vertical boundary receiver and ST gunner. It worked out in our interest that the Tigers have no idea how to use their receivers or run an effective offense. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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