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<blockquote data-quote="Packerstud" data-source="post: 357946" data-attributes="member: 3358"><p>I tried so hard to stay out of this thread.</p><p></p><p>Saying lowering or not raising taxes adds to the deficit is like saying that I'm losing $600 dollars a year by not raising the rent for my tenants 50 bucks a month.</p><p></p><p>If I charge $1000 a month for my apartments and they are all empty, then maybe I should lower the rent so families can afford to live in them.</p><p></p><p>If a states business taxes are so high that they leave our state maybe we should lower taxes so they can afford to work here.</p><p></p><p><strong>Fact:</strong> Under the latest figures, Wisconsin ranks 13th among the states for total tax burden. It was 14th the previous year</p><p></p><p><strong>LINK:</strong><a href="http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2010/sep/19/scott-walker/scott-walker-says-wisconsin-one-highest-taxed-stat/" target="_blank">PolitiFact Wisconsin | Scott Walker says Wisconsin is one of the highest taxed states in the nation</a></p><p></p><p><strong>FACT:</strong> Walker is not trying to end Collective Bargaining for state workers. Hes trying to limit collective bargaining to wages only. Why would he want to do this?</p><p></p><p>The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools.</p><p></p><p>State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. <strong>However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.</strong></p><p></p><p>Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. <strong>Teachers contribute nothing.</strong></p><p></p><p>Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, <strong>according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>LINK:</strong></p><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html" target="_blank">Robert M. Costrell: Oh, To Be a Teacher in Wisconsin - WSJ.com</a></p><p></p><p>But what really yanks my chain is the fact that Teachers in Wisconsin must buy their health insurance from the Wisconsin Education Association Insurance Corp. (WEAIC), which is, not coincidentally, an affiliate of the state's largest teachers union. WEAIC got this with a <strong><span style="color: Red">NO BID CONTRACT</span></strong> under the collective bargaining umbrella.</p><p></p><p><strong>LINK:</strong> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/dental-health-in-milwaukee/teachers-protest-loss-of-wisconsin-education-association-s-dental-plan?render=print" target="_blank">Teachers protesting benefit cuts to the WEA dental plan - Milwaukee dental health | Examiner.com</a></p><p></p><p>I could go on and on explaining why the state should not grant collective bargaining privileges to the State Employee unions but I leave with just this;</p><p></p><p><strong>The Federal Government does not allow collective bargaining with its federal employees. </strong>It was eliminated by Democratic Congress and signed by Democratic President Carter in 1979, Its to expensive.</p><p></p><p><strong>LINK:</strong> <a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02835.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02835.pdf</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Packerstud, post: 357946, member: 3358"] I tried so hard to stay out of this thread. Saying lowering or not raising taxes adds to the deficit is like saying that I'm losing $600 dollars a year by not raising the rent for my tenants 50 bucks a month. If I charge $1000 a month for my apartments and they are all empty, then maybe I should lower the rent so families can afford to live in them. If a states business taxes are so high that they leave our state maybe we should lower taxes so they can afford to work here. [B]Fact:[/B] Under the latest figures, Wisconsin ranks 13th among the states for total tax burden. It was 14th the previous year [B]LINK:[/B][url=http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2010/sep/19/scott-walker/scott-walker-says-wisconsin-one-highest-taxed-stat/]PolitiFact Wisconsin | Scott Walker says Wisconsin is one of the highest taxed states in the nation[/url] [B]FACT:[/B] Walker is not trying to end Collective Bargaining for state workers. Hes trying to limit collective bargaining to wages only. Why would he want to do this? The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools. State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. [B]However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.[/B] Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. [B]Teachers contribute nothing.[/B] Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, [B]according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.[/B] [B]LINK:[/B] [url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html]Robert M. Costrell: Oh, To Be a Teacher in Wisconsin - WSJ.com[/url] But what really yanks my chain is the fact that Teachers in Wisconsin must buy their health insurance from the Wisconsin Education Association Insurance Corp. (WEAIC), which is, not coincidentally, an affiliate of the state's largest teachers union. WEAIC got this with a [B][COLOR="Red"]NO BID CONTRACT[/COLOR][/B] under the collective bargaining umbrella. [B]LINK:[/B] [url=http://www.examiner.com/dental-health-in-milwaukee/teachers-protest-loss-of-wisconsin-education-association-s-dental-plan?render=print]Teachers protesting benefit cuts to the WEA dental plan - Milwaukee dental health | Examiner.com[/url] I could go on and on explaining why the state should not grant collective bargaining privileges to the State Employee unions but I leave with just this; [B]The Federal Government does not allow collective bargaining with its federal employees. [/B]It was eliminated by Democratic Congress and signed by Democratic President Carter in 1979, Its to expensive. [B]LINK:[/B] [url]http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02835.pdf[/url] [/QUOTE]
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