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<blockquote data-quote="Voyageur" data-source="post: 1058944" data-attributes="member: 17953"><p>Actually, he was handed most of the tools that got them that championship, from Hammond before he turned the team over to Horst. His biggest "get" during that time leading up to the championship was Brook Lopez because what got as a back-up center ended up being a gem. That one-year contract turned into a 4-year signing during the off season. Bledsoe and Brogdan made a solid pair of guards on the floor. The problem was, in Horst's eyes, even though they weren't good enough. Even though they were 60-22, they lost in 6 to the Raptors in the East finals of the playoffs. The problem is, Horst traded Brogdan to the Pacers for draft picks. It was a two-pronged reason. Brogdan wanted to play point guard, and his new salary would put the Bucks in cap trouble, so he was dealt for what amounted to a first-round pick and a pair of second rounders. We ended up with Connaughton and DiVincenzo play SG. Neither was really starter material. Solid guys off the bench but not of any realistic value as starters. Donte has found that out in his stints in NY and now in Minnesota, where his best games are off the bench in spurts.</p><p></p><p>Then Horst started tinkering, but his getting Holiday was a solid move except he gave up our future in the process. He might have worked it where the Brogdan trade brought them a solid shooting guard prospect at the time. He didn't know how to do it.</p><p></p><p>The championship came because of the players and Holiday at the point. He was the last element needed. But, because they didn't repeat, Horst became indignant, as if Holiday was to blame, and even though Holiday said him and his wife wanted Milwaukee to be their home and retire from the Bucks, Horst dealt him away and he didn't find out about it except through the media. That was bad, and it did not resonate well with the players who had grown to really like playing with Holiday. It was the end of the line. The only person left for Horst to blame for failure was Bud, and then he hired a misfit who he immediately blamed for the bad play, and replaced him with a guy who can't do any better on the job. In the meantime, he at least had the common sense to get Stotts back as an assistant coach, but that ended because the idiot he'd hired as HC didn't want Stotts coaching, he wanted him listening to him as if he was the reincarnation of Red Auerbach. </p><p></p><p>Finis! End of story. We're back in the pits, and ownership is too stupid to make the changes needed to bring them back to the top. Apparently, they figure that as long as they make money and the team value continues to rise, they're happy as pigs in slop.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voyageur, post: 1058944, member: 17953"] Actually, he was handed most of the tools that got them that championship, from Hammond before he turned the team over to Horst. His biggest "get" during that time leading up to the championship was Brook Lopez because what got as a back-up center ended up being a gem. That one-year contract turned into a 4-year signing during the off season. Bledsoe and Brogdan made a solid pair of guards on the floor. The problem was, in Horst's eyes, even though they weren't good enough. Even though they were 60-22, they lost in 6 to the Raptors in the East finals of the playoffs. The problem is, Horst traded Brogdan to the Pacers for draft picks. It was a two-pronged reason. Brogdan wanted to play point guard, and his new salary would put the Bucks in cap trouble, so he was dealt for what amounted to a first-round pick and a pair of second rounders. We ended up with Connaughton and DiVincenzo play SG. Neither was really starter material. Solid guys off the bench but not of any realistic value as starters. Donte has found that out in his stints in NY and now in Minnesota, where his best games are off the bench in spurts. Then Horst started tinkering, but his getting Holiday was a solid move except he gave up our future in the process. He might have worked it where the Brogdan trade brought them a solid shooting guard prospect at the time. He didn't know how to do it. The championship came because of the players and Holiday at the point. He was the last element needed. But, because they didn't repeat, Horst became indignant, as if Holiday was to blame, and even though Holiday said him and his wife wanted Milwaukee to be their home and retire from the Bucks, Horst dealt him away and he didn't find out about it except through the media. That was bad, and it did not resonate well with the players who had grown to really like playing with Holiday. It was the end of the line. The only person left for Horst to blame for failure was Bud, and then he hired a misfit who he immediately blamed for the bad play, and replaced him with a guy who can't do any better on the job. In the meantime, he at least had the common sense to get Stotts back as an assistant coach, but that ended because the idiot he'd hired as HC didn't want Stotts coaching, he wanted him listening to him as if he was the reincarnation of Red Auerbach. Finis! End of story. We're back in the pits, and ownership is too stupid to make the changes needed to bring them back to the top. Apparently, they figure that as long as they make money and the team value continues to rise, they're happy as pigs in slop. [/QUOTE]
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