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<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1003349" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>Disagree quite a bit...you're pretending if you think a running back room with Dalvin Cook and just Michael Carter isn't better than the 2011 room GB had. James Starks going into 2011 literally had only 3 NFL games listed for him with a mere 116 yards from scrimmage and Ryan Grant in one way is like Breece Hall as he missed the 2010 season and no one knew what he would be (which FTR was nowhere what he was in 2007-2009) BUT he had experience where Breece Hall doesn't...however let's look at the NYJ...Dalvin Cook is a BEAST...I mean 4 straight seasons with over 1300 all purpose yards and over 1,000 yards rushing. He's averaged over 4.7 ypc for his career which is nearly half a yard per more than Grant and over half a yard more than Starks did. Michael Carter in his short career for the Jets already has nearly half the number of scrimmage yards Starks had his whole career (Carter is at just over 1,600 / Starks ended with just over 3,500)...and Breece Hall before he got hurt was average a LUDACRIS 5.8 yards per carry AND had already thrown in 218 receiving yards in a mere 7 games...that is more receiving yards than Starks had in all his seasons but one and Grant all his seasons but one. And I didn't even mention the Jet's recent addition of Israel Abanikanda - athletic freak that could be VERY GOOD in future.</p><p></p><p>Running backs NYJ 2023 in a landslide vs GB 2011</p><p></p><p>Wide Receivers...</p><p></p><p>GB 2011 - don't let what they became twist the discussion. In 2011 GB's Jordy Nelson had put up three seasons and just over 1,000 yards...he was ascending for sure, but still had not shown he was a WR1 in this league yet. Cobb was literally a rookie with zero snaps, Driver was in his twilight years (36 years old) and was not more than a WR3 at this stage (AND FTR I LOVE DRIVER), Jones hadn't had a season over 700 yards yet but was that solid Lazard type guy for us then. A VERY SOLID group for sure....Jennings was in what many considered his prime years leading into 2011 and a clear WR1</p><p></p><p>NYJ 2023 - Wilson, in just one year SHOWED out with FAR WORSE QB play and produced 1,103 yards receiving in 17 games....where our young ascending guy (Jordy) in three seasons and 45 games had only put up 1,268 with far BETTER QB play. Now to be fair Wilson had really only Corey Davis expected ahead of him on the depth chart arguably to acknowledge all sides. Jets also have Corey Davis who at worst is a 6 year veteran that is a clear WR2 on nearly any team in the league...having nearly 4,000 yards produced in that time. Now of course that have the wise and old veteran Cobb who is slow but sure handed too....and Mecole Hardman is there too, who heading into this season in just four years has produced over 2,088 yards and truthfully if you compared his ascending traits has shown a similar level to Jordy did through three...he produced more yards actually, BUT Jordy was for sure a better route running but Mecole arguably just as lethal once ball is in their hands. AND we haven't even talked about Lazard...a guy that some games leads you to believe he might be a low level WR1...but no his worst days will be your WR3 BUT one of the most lethal blocking WRs in the league. Quietly puttin gup 2,2,29 yards in the last four seasons we (GB in 2011) simply didn't have this type of guy serving as our #4 arguably like Lazard will be in NY potentially.</p><p></p><p>I think a valid argument exists there no landslide better group in the WR rooms...but the Jets literally have the likes of Cobb (their aging vet like we had Driver) as their what WR5? Wilson / Davis / Lazard / Hardman / </p><p></p><p>TEs</p><p></p><p>GB 2011 - Finley / Crabtree / Quarless....underrated group for sure, but I agree TE room of GB than better than TE room of NYJ now because Ruckert is just in his second year and proved nothing and Kuntz is just a raw athletic beast with zero snaps. </p><p></p><p></p><p>While perhaps I made it sound like a larger gap than it is, I just could never say GB 2011 RB/WR/TE weapons was a better collection than NYJ 2023. Now that said however, if you factor in QB and OL...I think you truly see the needle swing back to even or GB way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 1003349, member: 6578"] Disagree quite a bit...you're pretending if you think a running back room with Dalvin Cook and just Michael Carter isn't better than the 2011 room GB had. James Starks going into 2011 literally had only 3 NFL games listed for him with a mere 116 yards from scrimmage and Ryan Grant in one way is like Breece Hall as he missed the 2010 season and no one knew what he would be (which FTR was nowhere what he was in 2007-2009) BUT he had experience where Breece Hall doesn't...however let's look at the NYJ...Dalvin Cook is a BEAST...I mean 4 straight seasons with over 1300 all purpose yards and over 1,000 yards rushing. He's averaged over 4.7 ypc for his career which is nearly half a yard per more than Grant and over half a yard more than Starks did. Michael Carter in his short career for the Jets already has nearly half the number of scrimmage yards Starks had his whole career (Carter is at just over 1,600 / Starks ended with just over 3,500)...and Breece Hall before he got hurt was average a LUDACRIS 5.8 yards per carry AND had already thrown in 218 receiving yards in a mere 7 games...that is more receiving yards than Starks had in all his seasons but one and Grant all his seasons but one. And I didn't even mention the Jet's recent addition of Israel Abanikanda - athletic freak that could be VERY GOOD in future. Running backs NYJ 2023 in a landslide vs GB 2011 Wide Receivers... GB 2011 - don't let what they became twist the discussion. In 2011 GB's Jordy Nelson had put up three seasons and just over 1,000 yards...he was ascending for sure, but still had not shown he was a WR1 in this league yet. Cobb was literally a rookie with zero snaps, Driver was in his twilight years (36 years old) and was not more than a WR3 at this stage (AND FTR I LOVE DRIVER), Jones hadn't had a season over 700 yards yet but was that solid Lazard type guy for us then. A VERY SOLID group for sure....Jennings was in what many considered his prime years leading into 2011 and a clear WR1 NYJ 2023 - Wilson, in just one year SHOWED out with FAR WORSE QB play and produced 1,103 yards receiving in 17 games....where our young ascending guy (Jordy) in three seasons and 45 games had only put up 1,268 with far BETTER QB play. Now to be fair Wilson had really only Corey Davis expected ahead of him on the depth chart arguably to acknowledge all sides. Jets also have Corey Davis who at worst is a 6 year veteran that is a clear WR2 on nearly any team in the league...having nearly 4,000 yards produced in that time. Now of course that have the wise and old veteran Cobb who is slow but sure handed too....and Mecole Hardman is there too, who heading into this season in just four years has produced over 2,088 yards and truthfully if you compared his ascending traits has shown a similar level to Jordy did through three...he produced more yards actually, BUT Jordy was for sure a better route running but Mecole arguably just as lethal once ball is in their hands. AND we haven't even talked about Lazard...a guy that some games leads you to believe he might be a low level WR1...but no his worst days will be your WR3 BUT one of the most lethal blocking WRs in the league. Quietly puttin gup 2,2,29 yards in the last four seasons we (GB in 2011) simply didn't have this type of guy serving as our #4 arguably like Lazard will be in NY potentially. I think a valid argument exists there no landslide better group in the WR rooms...but the Jets literally have the likes of Cobb (their aging vet like we had Driver) as their what WR5? Wilson / Davis / Lazard / Hardman / TEs GB 2011 - Finley / Crabtree / Quarless....underrated group for sure, but I agree TE room of GB than better than TE room of NYJ now because Ruckert is just in his second year and proved nothing and Kuntz is just a raw athletic beast with zero snaps. While perhaps I made it sound like a larger gap than it is, I just could never say GB 2011 RB/WR/TE weapons was a better collection than NYJ 2023. Now that said however, if you factor in QB and OL...I think you truly see the needle swing back to even or GB way. [/QUOTE]
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