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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 878673"><p>Those football 101 positional groupings are a template that has become largely obsolete. Looking at the huddle, the player numbers and their positional designations don't tell you where the guys are going to line up, what their assignments are likely to be, or what play is likely to be called.</p><p></p><p>For example, 12 personnel 1 (RB, 2 TEs, 2 WRs) can range from a power run formation, either both TEs in line or a TE-as-H-back in the backfield, to a RB motioning with the RB, TEs and WRs in slot or out wide in a 5-wide empty backfield that says you're throwing the ball. That's if Rodgers is your QB. If your QB is Lamar Jackson, depending on down and distance, you'd have to think about defending a QB run against that spread defense. </p><p></p><p>This latter point is one example that goes to the larger issue. A defensive coordinator is not saying, "when somebody, anybody, rolls out 12 personnel we're going to do <strong><em>this</em></strong>. That will vary from game to game based on opponent tendencies in what they run out of different personnel groupings, and what the opposing personnel is actually capable of doing. When a slow footed TE enters the huddle known to funtion as a blocker you are not going to game plan to defend that in the same way as the slot TE who is a weak blocker and a high target receiving threat who is subbed out, to take just one example. When you get down to specific plays, defending tendencies and working matchups, personnel groupings are largely worthless.</p><p></p><p>This isn't your father's or grandfather's 1960's NFL, where a halfback and a fullback, both running threats and justifiably both called "running backs", are in the backfield on nearly every play, the TE is in-line on nearly every play, and the x and y receivers are exactly that on nearly every play. I used the term "nearly" there to account for possible exceptions I don't recall, but "rarely otherwise" might be the better description.</p><p></p><p>X, Y, Z designations are also obsolete even though you see people still using them. Split end, TE, Flanker? Really? Where's the slot receiver? When you see Adams in the huddle, what is he? He could be X, Y or slot. When you saw Graham in the huddle, what was he? He could have been x, y, z or slot? </p><p></p><p>I had a similar discussion with a regular poster a while back regarding this bizarre "dime linebacker" terminology. If it's 2nd. and 5, for example, one of the many tweener run-pass downs, and you put a Greene (or Campbell, et. al.) off the ball in the tackle box, he's an ILB in a nickel defense. It just so happens you want particular characterics in you ILB in nickel leaning toward defending the pass. If it's 3rd. and 15, Greene is set 15 yards off the line in a 3-across safety prevent, then he's a safety.</p><p></p><p>These antiquated designations, which also includes calling a FB who runs the ball 3 times per season a "running back", ranges somewhere between minimal usefulness and analytical laziness pre-snap. "Greene's on the field. He's their dime linebacker," or "Graham's on the field, he's their TE", tells you nothing about what position they are actually playing, what play is being called, whether it's a nickel or dime defense once the ball is snapped.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 878673"] Those football 101 positional groupings are a template that has become largely obsolete. Looking at the huddle, the player numbers and their positional designations don't tell you where the guys are going to line up, what their assignments are likely to be, or what play is likely to be called. For example, 12 personnel 1 (RB, 2 TEs, 2 WRs) can range from a power run formation, either both TEs in line or a TE-as-H-back in the backfield, to a RB motioning with the RB, TEs and WRs in slot or out wide in a 5-wide empty backfield that says you're throwing the ball. That's if Rodgers is your QB. If your QB is Lamar Jackson, depending on down and distance, you'd have to think about defending a QB run against that spread defense. This latter point is one example that goes to the larger issue. A defensive coordinator is not saying, "when somebody, anybody, rolls out 12 personnel we're going to do [B][I]this[/I][/B]. That will vary from game to game based on opponent tendencies in what they run out of different personnel groupings, and what the opposing personnel is actually capable of doing. When a slow footed TE enters the huddle known to funtion as a blocker you are not going to game plan to defend that in the same way as the slot TE who is a weak blocker and a high target receiving threat who is subbed out, to take just one example. When you get down to specific plays, defending tendencies and working matchups, personnel groupings are largely worthless. This isn't your father's or grandfather's 1960's NFL, where a halfback and a fullback, both running threats and justifiably both called "running backs", are in the backfield on nearly every play, the TE is in-line on nearly every play, and the x and y receivers are exactly that on nearly every play. I used the term "nearly" there to account for possible exceptions I don't recall, but "rarely otherwise" might be the better description. X, Y, Z designations are also obsolete even though you see people still using them. Split end, TE, Flanker? Really? Where's the slot receiver? When you see Adams in the huddle, what is he? He could be X, Y or slot. When you saw Graham in the huddle, what was he? He could have been x, y, z or slot? I had a similar discussion with a regular poster a while back regarding this bizarre "dime linebacker" terminology. If it's 2nd. and 5, for example, one of the many tweener run-pass downs, and you put a Greene (or Campbell, et. al.) off the ball in the tackle box, he's an ILB in a nickel defense. It just so happens you want particular characterics in you ILB in nickel leaning toward defending the pass. If it's 3rd. and 15, Greene is set 15 yards off the line in a 3-across safety prevent, then he's a safety. These antiquated designations, which also includes calling a FB who runs the ball 3 times per season a "running back", ranges somewhere between minimal usefulness and analytical laziness pre-snap. "Greene's on the field. He's their dime linebacker," or "Graham's on the field, he's their TE", tells you nothing about what position they are actually playing, what play is being called, whether it's a nickel or dime defense once the ball is snapped. [/QUOTE]
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